if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
This is getting naughty...
Also, fwiw, Ball is up to #4 in the DraftExpress mock.
At some point this thread is going to be about Mitch scoring a gem in the middle of the second round. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
We can definitely fetch a mid to late first round pick for Lou Williams, given his current production and contract. We can probably get a late first for Nick Young as well. Before the start of the season I would have probably done both deals in a heart beat (especially the second). Now? Not so much
1st round pick for a one year rental of Young? Doubt it.
Why not? We traded a first round pick for 1 year of Ramon Sessions. With the way he is playing right now, teams competing in the playoffs could definitely be interested.
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:51 pm Post subject:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
LilJay24 wrote:
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
For now.
Even Kevin Martin changed his form 2x. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:53 pm Post subject:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
LilJay24 wrote:
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
This is getting naughty...
Also, fwiw, Ball is up to #4 in the DraftExpress mock.
If you read his stat-line, he should be #2. He has been Jason Kidd since he was a junior in HS. Only concern right now is the easy competition, but he fits absolutely perfectly into what the Lakers are doing right now.
I also think he's a complement to Russell's talent on the offensive end. Switchable on defense. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
For now.
Even Kevin Martin changed his form 2x.
imo..
..
Doesn't look like Kevin Martin changed his form much. But I'm also not aversed from opposite side of the head forms, if they work (they do for a small amount of players - KD, M.Gasol, Boogie).
But Lonzo Ball's opposite side of the head form is unique in it's own right , it's the lowest I've seen it, unless you count Kevin Martin also as an opposite side of the head shooter.
Lonzo Ball basically shoots it from the opposite side of his neck.
I think most players do have to tweak their forms for the longer line when becoming a pro. Although I still think that tweaking is becoming more of an issue. So many good college 3 shooters are disappointing from NBA 3 - although they're still young in their careers so they may iron it out, but..I'm not liking how they're shooting it, considering trajectories of the ball.
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
This is getting naughty...
Also, fwiw, Ball is up to #4 in the DraftExpress mock.
If you read his stat-line, he should be #2. He has been Jason Kidd since he was a junior in HS. Only concern right now is the easy competition, but he fits absolutely perfectly into what the Lakers are doing right now.
I also think he's a complement to Russell's talent on the offensive end. Switchable on defense.
He's always been under-ranked due to avoiding AAU ball, and the lag in his RSCI ranking likely impacted his early draft projections. It's early, as you note, but his performance so far should easily dispel the notion that he was merely a product of Chino Hills' offensive system.
What's especially exciting is how unselfish he's been - he's only sporting an 18% USG rate through seven games. Like Kidd, he's looking to always keep the ball moving, advance it with the pass, etc. rather than pound the rock hunting an assist like Rondo. Combine that unselfishness with surprising accuracy on catch-and-shoot jumpers and his ability to move without the ball (see his many impressive lob finishes so far), and he is looking like a great fit next to Russell.
Haven't kept up with this thread, so my apologies, but if we have a 2nd rounder, which targets are we looking at? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
This is getting naughty...
Also, fwiw, Ball is up to #4 in the DraftExpress mock.
If you read his stat-line, he should be #2. He has been Jason Kidd since he was a junior in HS. Only concern right now is the easy competition, but he fits absolutely perfectly into what the Lakers are doing right now.
I also think he's a complement to Russell's talent on the offensive end. Switchable on defense.
I'm also a fan of Josh Hart (Sr, Villanova) who reminds me of Arron Afflalo coming out of college. Not a ton of upside, but a solid bet to work hard on defense, knock down open jumpers at a solid clip, and be a great teammate.
I'm also a fan of Josh Hart (Sr, Villanova) who reminds me of Arron Afflalo coming out of college. Not a ton of upside, but a solid bet to work hard on defense, knock down open jumpers at a solid clip, and be a great teammate.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:57 pm Post subject:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
LilJay24 wrote:
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
For now.
Even Kevin Martin changed his form 2x.
imo..
..
Doesn't look like Kevin Martin changed his form much. But I'm also not aversed from opposite side of the head forms, if they work (they do for a small amount of players - KD, M.Gasol, Boogie).
But Lonzo Ball's opposite side of the head form is unique in it's own right , it's the lowest I've seen it, unless you count Kevin Martin also as an opposite side of the head shooter.
Lonzo Ball basically shoots it from the opposite side of his neck.
I think most players do have to tweak their forms for the longer line when becoming a pro. Although I still think that tweaking is becoming more of an issue. So many good college 3 shooters are disappointing from NBA 3 - although they're still young in their careers so they may iron it out, but..I'm not liking how they're shooting it, considering trajectories of the ball.
Kevin Martin used to shoot the ball from his hip. Just youtube his career high game to anything more recent. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:58 pm Post subject:
BigGameHames wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
LilJay24 wrote:
if we somehow got a top 3 pick, I'd take Lonzo Ball without a second thought. Lonzo/DLO starting with Clarkson off the bench would have our guard rotation set for a decade.
Lonzo and DLO can both play the one, but Lonzo probably has better vision and playmaking ability while DLO has the superior scoring ability. Plus Lonzo is 6'6 which is good size for either guard position.
It's easy to say that, but I don't think Luke will think much of Lonzo's jumpshot. Dude shoots left to right.
But does it go in?
He shoots it like Kevin Martin, ugly and quick.
But does it go in?
This is getting naughty...
Also, fwiw, Ball is up to #4 in the DraftExpress mock.
If you read his stat-line, he should be #2. He has been Jason Kidd since he was a junior in HS. Only concern right now is the easy competition, but he fits absolutely perfectly into what the Lakers are doing right now.
I also think he's a complement to Russell's talent on the offensive end. Switchable on defense.
Would you rather have Fultz or Ball?
Boy that's a difficult question.
Fultz. Doesn't matter the system. He looks like he'll succeed. Lillard didn't even look that good as a senior.
Both teams have been playing easy comp, but Fultz is right at 60%FG, 2.2stplg 1.5bpg. I don't even regard him as an elite athlete, but excellent size/wingspan by position. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:17 pm Post subject:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Haven't kept up with this thread, so my apologies, but if we have a 2nd rounder, which targets are we looking at?
Luke Kornet
Aleksandar Vezenkov (again)
Josh Hart (think he works his way up into 1st round)
Justin Jackson
Jessie Govan
Malik Pope?
Star Wars? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Haven't kept up with this thread, so my apologies, but if we have a 2nd rounder, which targets are we looking at?
Luke Kornet
Aleksandar Vezenkov (again)
Josh Hart (think he works his way up into 1st round)
Justin Jackson
Jessie Govan
Malik Pope?
Star Wars?
Whatever happened to Malik Pope? I remember you (or maybe it was some other posters) were high on him a couple of years ago, but looks like he struggled last year and fell off the radar. Is he still a potential target in the 2nd round?
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