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Who you got after Fultz?
Lonzo Ball
75%
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Josh Jackson
15%
 15%  [ 64 ]
Jayson Tatum
1%
 1%  [ 8 ]
De'Aaron Fox
4%
 4%  [ 20 ]
Malik Monk
1%
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Jonathan Isaac
0%
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:33 am    Post subject:

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Got a question, who would you rather the Lakers draft?

Zach Collins at 10-15

or Isaiah Hartenstein at 28?


I'd love either. I think a question in people's minds is Kennard or Collins in the late lotto, Collins all day! I'm not sure if Kennard is a starter
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:35 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
MJST wrote:
Got a question, who would you rather the Lakers draft?

Zach Collins at 10-15

or Isaiah Hartenstein at 28?


I'd love either. I think a question in people's minds is Kennard or Collins in the late lotto, Collins all day! I'm not sure if Kennard is a starter


I want to trust those analytics on Collins, I really do. But I'm still scared from the fact that Gonzaga plays the vast majority of its games against the likes of Sacred Heart Of Mary High School-type teams!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:39 am    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
MJST wrote:
Got a question, who would you rather the Lakers draft?

Zach Collins at 10-15

or Isaiah Hartenstein at 28?


I'd love either. I think a question in people's minds is Kennard or Collins in the late lotto, Collins all day! I'm not sure if Kennard is a starter


I want to trust those analytics on Collins, I really do. But I'm still scared from the fact that Gonzaga plays the vast majority of its games against the likes of Sacred Heart Of Mary High School-type teams!


lolol
I think he's more of a sure thing than most year's late lotto - I'm a believer in him. He really is active on defense and looks for blocks to help. The only question (big question) is if he has NBA 3pt range -- questioned by DX (and I agree when I look at his stroke)
But in terms of being a 'basketball player', he really is - he makes plays. And he's a solid athlete/measureables
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:48 am    Post subject:

KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
KeepItRealOrElse wrote:
MJST wrote:
Got a question, who would you rather the Lakers draft?

Zach Collins at 10-15

or Isaiah Hartenstein at 28?


I'd love either. I think a question in people's minds is Kennard or Collins in the late lotto, Collins all day! I'm not sure if Kennard is a starter


I want to trust those analytics on Collins, I really do. But I'm still scared from the fact that Gonzaga plays the vast majority of its games against the likes of Sacred Heart Of Mary High School-type teams!


lolol
I think he's more of a sure thing than most year's late lotto - I'm a believer in him. He really is active on defense and looks for blocks to help. The only question (big question) is if he has NBA 3pt range -- questioned by DX (and I agree when I look at his stroke)
But in terms of being a 'basketball player', he really is - he makes plays. And he's a solid athlete/measureables


All kidding aside, I think he's certainly worth a pick anywhere around 10 or 12.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:11 am    Post subject:

Clarkson, #28, and a future 2nd to SAC for Afflalo (expiring) and #10 (Kennard):

Ball/Ennis
Russell/Kennard/Nwaba
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Deng
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:27 am    Post subject:

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Ryan Ward: More pre-draft workouts for the Lakers on Monday:
Zach Collins
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Luke Nelson
Luke Petrasek
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:33 am    Post subject:

HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
Clarkson, #28, and a future 2nd to SAC for Afflalo (expiring) and #10 (Kennard):

Ball/Ennis
Russell/Kennard/Nwaba
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Deng
Mozgov/Zubac/Black


For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.
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Ojeleye
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HART
KUZMA

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:42 am    Post subject:

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If the Lakers were to wait for PG13, I wonder if Sac would do Clarkson and #28 for #10.

I think the Lakers want Kennard.

Ball, Kennard, and PG13 in '18, not bad.


Sign me up for that on draft day!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:46 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Got a question, who would you rather the Lakers draft?

Zach Collins at 10-15

or Isaiah Hartenstein at 28?



Collins at 10-15 all day.


But I like the idea of Kennard even more in that same range.

Let's just send out Deng and Moz to teams needing "vet leadership" and get late lotto picks back. That should work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:50 am    Post subject:

Just about 3 1/2 days to go.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:04 am    Post subject:

Lakers gonna get that Ball boy!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:13 am    Post subject:

Interesting: Mike & Mike are on right now, and they are saying that Ainge thought Fultz was in the same skill group as 4-5 other draftees. And, Ainge didn't think there was a surefire star in the draft.

Ainge was okay with trading Fultz because he thought he could get JJ/Tatum/Fox and they were just as good as Fultz or Ball.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:14 am    Post subject:

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Interesting: Mike & Mike are on right now, and they are saying that Ainge thought Fultz was in the same skill group as 4-5 other draftees. And, Ainge didn't think there was a surefire star in the draft.

Ainge was okay with trading Fultz because he thought he could get JJ/Tatum/Fox and they were just as good as Fultz or Ball.


Fultz didn't have a good workout for Boston, reportedly didn't shoot well. Also didn't shoot well at the Philly workout
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:16 am    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
Clarkson, #28, and a future 2nd to SAC for Afflalo (expiring) and #10 (Kennard):

Ball/Ennis
Russell/Kennard/Nwaba
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Deng
Mozgov/Zubac/Black


For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.


Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

DET in: Clarkson, #28, LAL future 2nd
DET out: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:24 am    Post subject:

Is it possible that Fultz is stunk up his workout in Philly cause he'd rather go to the Lakers?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:24 am    Post subject:

HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
Clarkson, #28, and a future 2nd to SAC for Afflalo (expiring) and #10 (Kennard):

Ball/Ennis
Russell/Kennard/Nwaba
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Deng
Mozgov/Zubac/Black


For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.


Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

DET in: Clarkson, #28, LAL future 2nd
DET out: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.


I think it's a bit unfair for DET and really good for SAC. I think that JC/28/future 2nd from the Lakers feels fair for #12, but DET isn't getting anything else, and they are also giving up Stanley Johnson. And SAC is only moving down 2 spots and getting another prospect that still has a chance and was a recent lottery pick in Johnson. I certainly think it's reasonable for the Lakers, as we pick up #10 and Afflalo is actually only guaranteed for $1.5MM (of his $12.5MM salary) if he's waived before June 23rd, and that's no coincidence that the date is 6/23 when the draft is the day before.
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KUZMA

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:28 am    Post subject:

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Interesting: Mike & Mike are on right now, and they are saying that Ainge thought Fultz was in the same skill group as 4-5 other draftees. And, Ainge didn't think there was a surefire star in the draft.

Ainge was okay with trading Fultz because he thought he could get JJ/Tatum/Fox and they were just as good as Fultz or Ball.


As much as I hate Ainge, I think he has the right idea of being "happy" with the 3rd pick AND1.

If his calculations are correct, he could still pick the player I knew he wanted in the first place - Josh Jackson.

It's the Sixers who got played for this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:31 am    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
Clarkson, #28, and a future 2nd to SAC for Afflalo (expiring) and #10 (Kennard):

Ball/Ennis
Russell/Kennard/Nwaba
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Deng
Mozgov/Zubac/Black


For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.


Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, #34, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

DET in: Clarkson, Green (from SA for #28), #34, LAL future 2nd
DET out: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson, Baynes (to SA)

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.

SA in: Baynes, #28
SA out: Green


I think it's a bit unfair for DET and really good for SAC. I think that JC/28/future 2nd from the Lakers feels fair for #12, but DET isn't getting anything else, and they are also giving up Stanley Johnson. And SAC is only moving down 2 spots and getting another prospect that still has a chance and was a recent lottery pick in Johnson. I certainly think it's reasonable for the Lakers, as we pick up #10 and Afflalo is actually only guaranteed for $1.5MM (of his $12.5MM salary) if he's waived before June 23rd, and that's no coincidence that the date is 6/23 when the draft is the day before.


I'm not sure DET is at all sold on Johnson. SVG needs shooters and Stanley just doesn't have the range. In his two years, he's started a total of 7 games and has pretty poor averages of 6.2ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.5apg, .367fg%, .301 3fg% in 20.4mpg. Not very impressive at all so a change of scenery would probably be beneficial for both parties. I guess SAC could include the #34 to DET as a sweetener if necessary. It then wouldn't be a bad idea for them to flip the #28 + filler (Baynes?) for a guy like Danny Green, turning the deal into #12, Smith, Johnson, Baynes for Clarkson, Green, #34 and a future 2nd. [I edited the deal above to reflect these changes.]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:48 am    Post subject:

HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
ChickenStu wrote:
HAWAIIGUY27 wrote:
Clarkson, #28, and a future 2nd to SAC for Afflalo (expiring) and #10 (Kennard):

Ball/Ennis
Russell/Kennard/Nwaba
Ingram/Brewer
Randle/Nance/Deng
Mozgov/Zubac/Black


For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.


Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, #34, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

DET in: Clarkson, Green (from SA for #28), #34, LAL future 2nd
DET out: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson, Baynes (to SA)

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.

SA in: Baynes, #28
SA out: Green


I think it's a bit unfair for DET and really good for SAC. I think that JC/28/future 2nd from the Lakers feels fair for #12, but DET isn't getting anything else, and they are also giving up Stanley Johnson. And SAC is only moving down 2 spots and getting another prospect that still has a chance and was a recent lottery pick in Johnson. I certainly think it's reasonable for the Lakers, as we pick up #10 and Afflalo is actually only guaranteed for $1.5MM (of his $12.5MM salary) if he's waived before June 23rd, and that's no coincidence that the date is 6/23 when the draft is the day before.


I'm not sure DET is at all sold on Johnson. SVG needs shooters and Stanley just doesn't have the range. In his two years, he's started a total of 7 games and has pretty poor averages of 6.2ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.5apg, .367fg%, .301 3fg% in 20.4mpg. Not very impressive at all so a change of scenery would probably be beneficial for both parties. I guess SAC could include the #34 to DET as a sweetener if necessary. It then wouldn't be a bad idea for them to flip the #28 + filler (Baynes?) for a guy like Danny Green, turning the deal into #12, Smith, Johnson, Baynes for Clarkson, Green, #34 and a future 2nd. [I edited the deal above to reflect these changes.]


If the Spurs would actually do that (Green for #28), I don't think this is unfair. I think the #34 helps Detroit a bit, and this would give SVG two veteran players to help them win now, particularly Green as a veteran. So I guess the Spurs do this just for the cap space? I know they get back a decent pick, but I don't think they would do this unless they were clearing space for a run at a free agent.
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Adebayo
Bell
HART
KUZMA

Well, we got two of 'em at 27 and 30, not bad!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:54 am    Post subject:

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19676744/los-angeles-lakers-trying-acquire-another-first-round-pick-nba-draft

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Lakers looking to add another 1st round draft pick, sources say

The Los Angeles Lakers are trying to acquire another first round pick in this Thursday's NBA draft, league sources told ESPN.

The Lakers have engaged at least two other teams in the lottery, sources said, as they search for players to improve their outside shooting and perimeter defense.

Los Angeles holds both the second and 28th picks in this year's draft. While their have been inquires on the No. 2 pick, sources said it remains unlikely the Lakers would trade out of that position.

Los Angeles is giving strong consideration to UCLA's Lonzo Ball, Kansas' Josh Jackson and Kentucky's De'Aaron Fox with the No. 2 pick. Ball hosted a second workout for the Lakers on Friday -- the only team he has worked out for or interviewed with. Last week Ball was considering talking to teams below the Lakers in the lottery, but sources said he still has yet to schedule any additional meetings.


Another best writer confirms lakers aren't trading #2.. would love to trade back in and snatch Collins . Hear they like Kennard tho


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:56 am    Post subject:

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Ryan Ward: More pre-draft workouts for the Lakers on Monday:
Zach Collins
Avery Holmes
Cole Huff,
Luke Nelson
Luke Petrasek
Seab Webster
via Twitter RyanWardLA


If the reports are right Today should be the last day for workouts..
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:00 am    Post subject:

Our guards will have some offensive punch but no matter who we draft, IMO, our guards will struggle defensively again this season.

Clarkson is our quickest guard and his defense is abysmal.
D-Lo has defensive potential and length but lacks elite speed.
Ball is faster but is not much better defensively than either of those guys.
Nwaba is our only defensive-minded guard and the jury is still out on him.
Ennis is suspect too (if he comes back).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:19 am    Post subject:

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19676744/los-angeles-lakers-trying-acquire-another-first-round-pick-nba-draft

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Lakers looking to add another 1st round draft pick, sources say

The Los Angeles Lakers are trying to acquire another first round pick in this Thursday's NBA draft, league sources told ESPN.

The Lakers have engaged at least two other teams in the lottery, sources said, as they search for players to improve their outside shooting and perimeter defense.

Los Angeles holds both the second and 28th picks in this year's draft. While their have been inquires on the No. 2 pick, sources said it remains unlikely the Lakers would trade out of that position.

Los Angeles is giving strong consideration to UCLA's Lonzo Ball, Kansas' Josh Jackson and Kentucky's De'Aaron Fox with the No. 2 pick. Ball hosted a second workout for the Lakers on Friday -- the only team he has worked out for or interviewed with. Last week Ball was considering talking to teams below the Lakers in the lottery, but sources said he still has yet to schedule any additional meetings.


Another best writer confirms lakers aren't trading #2..


Ball still hasn't scheduled anything else with other teams, which to me is a pretty strong indication that he will be the pick at 2. But I think it's smart for us to float out there that we still like Fox and are considering him, just to keep the possibility open that Sacramento gets desperate and offers us something that we can't say no to.

I see Detroit as the most likely trade partner of any team in the lottery (something like JC and 28 for 12).

Another possibility could be Charlotte at #11. They have let it be known that they are in search of a competent backup PG, as Ramon Sessions was pretty bad last season and Kemba Walker has to carry a lot of the load. Clarkson could actually help them quite a bit. Maybe we could give them JC and the #28, and they give us the #11, Sessions (has a team option for about $6.3MM, so they could exercise that and move him, similar to how we could exercise Black's option and trade him), and the cheap contracts of Treveon Graham and Johnny O'Bryant. (This would work within the rules, as JC's incoming salary can be 150% of the outgoing salary as long as the outgoing salary is less than $9.8MM, which it would be.)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:23 am    Post subject:

^That very much depends on who you pick at 11 I guess, but is that player really better than Clarkson? I doubt it, and we'd be giving up the 28 too

It feels too much like a salary dump and in my opinion we should definitely not treat clarkson like a salary dump. He is a competent player who was actually in the running for 6MOY last year for the first 20 games.

The deng and mozgov contracts are really messing with everyone's perception of how much our players should be paid. Yes those are bad contracts, but clarkson's is not
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Chronicle wrote:
^That very much depends on who you pick at 11 I guess, but is that player really better than Clarkson? I doubt it, and we'd be giving up the 28 too

It feels too much like a salary dump and in my opinion we should definitely not treat clarkson like a salary dump. He is a competent player who was actually in the running for 6MOY last year for the first 20 games.

The deng and mozgov contracts are really messing with everyone's perception of how much our players should be paid. Yes those are bad contracts, but clarkson's is not


A lottery pick could be used to get PG. Also, I'd much rather have Zach Collins or Luke Kennard or Donovan Mitchell than JC. It's just a better value, particularly when you consider that they will be on rookie contracts. JC wasn't on a rookie deal for too long, is now on a $12.5MM per year deal, and he's simply not worth nearly as much value at that salary. A salary which is fair, just not a great value.
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Some of my favorites for #28:
Bolden
Leaf
Ojeleye
DJ Wilson
Adebayo
Bell
HART
KUZMA

Well, we got two of 'em at 27 and 30, not bad!
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