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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:38 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- PACERS – 11-1-16 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Stronger But Still Coming Up Short… It’s been a familiar theme so far on the road. The Lakers have kept games competitive but unable to overtake opponents.

A sloppy turnover-prone start to this game, but the Lakers reeled in the Pacers 16-point lead to take a lead in the fourth.

Paul George took over as both Clarkson and Russell couldn’t get a stop on him (we probably should have sent some help and Luke said they were trying to get Randle over there on some of those). George scored 12-straight points down the stretch.

“That’s what great players do,” Luke said.

The Lakers struggled to hit their threes, making just 6-28. They got strong play from Nance, Clarkson and Williams as the bench helped throttle up the intensity.


Russell -- -- They started by going to Russell early in the post. I’d like to see him there at least 5-6 times a game, not just working for his own shot but running some of the post decoy sequences they’ve taken from the Warriors offense. He had four touches in the post in this game. Early foul trouble for Russell, which we rarely see. That slowed him down quite a bit. He never seemed to get into a rhythm in this one and missed all four of his attempts from three, including a couple big ones in crunch time. Very limited minutes by everyone in the starting squad (they all averaged around 20). Defensively, you’ve probably got to send help vs. leaving him on an island against George on switches. Other than that, he was fine on that end of the floor. Good job getting to the line and knocking down all his FTs in this game. The Lakers as a team when 22-25 from the line (I’d love to see a lot more of that). The Stats: He scored 11 points on 3-10 shooting (0-4 from three, 5-5 from the line) to go with 3 assists, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in 19 minutes. He was a +3. The Action: He posted up on the first possession, backed his man down and hit the easy turnaround in the middle of the lane. He missed a turnaround in the post from the other side. He picked up two quick fouls and had to sit early. He got a big switched on him off the two-man game and drew FTs, he made both. He was blocked on a drive, but Mozgov cleaned up the dribble penetration. His cross-court pass was picked off, layup the other way. He lost the ball on a probe, turnover. Second Half: He kicked out to Nick for the three. He got tapped on a pull-up in the lane. Aggressive attack in the lane and he scored the And-1, he made the FT. He went between a big’s legs to find Mozgov rolling for the dunk, sweet pass. He broke his man off on the pull-back dribble and hit the 22-footer. Not close on a three, moving to his right. He posted his man up, spun quickly and drew the whistle, he made both FT. He missed a wing three on the kickout. He hit Randle down the middle of the lane for the transition dunk. He missed a good look at a catch and shoot three. Way short on a three.

Randle -- -- Another of our starters to struggle with the foul trouble. Randle still nearly had the double-double in his 20 minutes. He was active and getting up and down the court, but also sloppy with 3 turnovers (including a bad outlet over Russell’s head in crunch time). He also had a charge in transition. He’s got to find that balance of up-tempo and in control. At least our starters will be rested for the next game. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 3-6 shooting (0-1 from three, 3-3 from the line) to go with 10 boards, 1 steal, 3 turnovers and 6 fouls in 20 minutes. He was a +3. The Action: Wide and long on an open three. He took the bounce pass from Deng in the paint and attacked for the And-1 layup, he made the FT. He was called for a charge in transition. He ball-faked, attacked and drew a blocking foul, he made both FTs. Second Half: He was called for a travel. He went behind his back to get to his left but missed the layup. Back in, sloppy challenge and he gave up FTs. He tracked down a defensive board and then immediately threw the outlet away, argh (that would have been a sure hoop). A few seconds later after a stop, Russell hit him down the middle of the lane for the dunk. He dunked off the great drive and dish from Lou. He fouled out on an intentional foul.

Deng -- -- After the scoreless, sluggish effort in the last one, much better game from Deng tonight. He was active and engaged, getting to the rim for scores. We still sat him down the stretch and let the young guys try to close the game against Paul George and Co. Good to see him looking more like himself in this one. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 5-10 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 6 boards, 1 assist, 1 turnover and 1 foul in 21 minutes. He was a -2. The Action: He missed a short one trying to create. He tried to attack off the dribble and was poke stripped for a turnover. Nice pocket pass to Randle for the And-1 layup. He tried to create in the paint instead of dumping it off to an open man, turnover, points the other way. He pushed out the break and scored a layup, going the distance. Quick attack on the catch and he scored the layup. He posted up and missed badly expecting the foul call. He scored a layup off the drive and dish from Williams. He used his length to battle for an offensive board and scored at the end of the half. He had 8 points on 4-7 shooting and 4 boards. Second Half: He missed a corner three. He attacked from the corner and stepped around a defender for a layup. He had a layup roll out.

Mozgov -- -- He was on the floor like Roy Hibbert tonight, except he was getting clocked in the face. We let him go to the locker room instead of shooting his FTs on that last hit to the face. His eye was swollen after the game and they will run some tests on it tomorrow. Again, some more good work on the offensive glass. This was a game that was perfectly suited to him and I would have expected bigger minutes had he not gone down. Hopefully, he’s all right. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 3-7 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 5 boards (3 offensive), 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 19 minutes. He was a -2. The Action: He tapped an offensive board back out. His pass to Randle was swiped in the paint. He missed an elbow jumper. He slammed down the Russell missed drive. He missed a rushed three up against the shotclock. He missed a layup. Second Half: He kept an offensive board alive from behind his man, then drew a foul on the same possession working on the boards. He dunked off the sweet feed from Russell between a big’s legs on the screen-roll. He took an elbow to the face while going vertical to deny a layup. Back in, he got drilled in the head again with reach on a dunk attempt.

Young -- -- Luke went with some smaller lineups that included time on the floor for Clarkson at the SF. You could question our plans on D down the stretch with the issues we were having with George, but our coverages involved switches so they needed to change that strategy up, as well. Nick sank a couple of threes and hit a jumper early in the game off a curl. The Stats: He scored 8 points on 3-6 shooting (2-4 from three) to go with 4 boards and 3 fouls in 21 minutes. He was a -2. The Action: He curled to the elbow and hit the jumper. He curled off the down screen and missed a three. He sank a three working off a high screen. Second Half: He missed a wing three off the swing pass. He swished the sideline three on the kickout next time down. He missed a jumper.

Williams -- -- Strong game from Lou, giving us some key scoring punch and passing down the stretch. He sank a few threes, but was also able to get into the paint for some key sequences. He also had a 4-point play in this one drawing the perimeter reach foul. He makes some tough shots, whether fading, getting fouled or off balance. That was all on display tonight. He was reasonable on D, a few mistakes but fairly steady. Some nice finds of teammates for easy scores, just need to trim down those turnovers. The Stats: He scored 19 points on 7-14 shooting (3-8 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 5 assists, 4 turnovers and no fouls in 27 minutes. He was a +3. The Action: He forced a pass into Nance on the break surrounded by multiple defenders, turnover. He didn’t wait for a screen and didn’t get separation as a result and missed the runner. He crossed over, drew the reach and banked in the And-1 three, he made the FT. He sank a pull-up going to his left. He turned the ball over expecting a whistle that never came. He missed a deep three. He took an inbounds and got a shotclock violation (didn’t seem to know the clock since he didn’t try a shot). He collapsed the D off the dribble and dumped it to Deng for the layup. He dribbled himself right out of bounds, turnover. He missed a corner jumper up against the shotclock. Second Half: He rattled in a tough baseline jumper drifting to his left. He was nearly stripped splitting a double team, but regained control and flipped it in high off the glass. He missed a three on the break. He backed Miles up as he attacked, lulled him to sleep as he backed up and then swished the sideline three. Poor D on the screen-roll allowing his man to get middle instead of shading to the big and it led to an easy score. He missed a three on the other end. He hit Nance rolling for the easy dunk. He sank a wing three off the Nance screen. He probed off the three line in early offense, took a bump and threw the And-1 15-footer up and in, he made the FT. He jab stepped to lose his man but missed the three. He broke down the D off the Nance screen and shoveled a pass to Randle weakside for the dunk. Crazy turnaround fade three on an inbounds that hit the side of the board with a few seconds left.

Clarkson -- -- Very strong game from Clarkson with great moments on both ends. He just couldn’t knock down a three, unfortunately. His crossover was deadly tonight, putting Brooks on his butt on one of those. Some good work in the midrange, particularly when he’s kept out of the lane but gets to the baseline for the pull-up. He just looks automatic on those at times. He played more minutes than anyone and Luke went small at times at the SF. No assists, but also no turnovers unlike the last one where he was forcing passes into help defenders. He’s very effective coming off the down screens or just getting the ball on the move or with the D playing catchup as we move the ball. The Stats: He scored 15 points on 7-16 shooting (0-4 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 1 board and 2 fouls in 31 minutes. He was a -12. The Action: He missed a three straight away. He came off the down screen in the corner, took the pass and attacked for a layup. He helped force a turnover on the other end. Same play next time down, except his man went under the screen, so Clarkson stayed there and took a pass for a three, which he missed. He drew a moving screen to get a stop. He probed to his left and hit the pull-up baseline jumper. He probed to his right and hit the baseline pull-up. Second Half: He sank the And-1 19-footer after losing his man on a screen, he made the FT. He put Brooks on his rear with a sick crossover and then hit the 15-footer at the end of the quarter. He missed a floater attacking the paint. He crossed over, attacked baseline, was hit nearly losing the ball but managed to reverse (where is the And-1 on that body check from the side?). He attacked a crowd next time down and was stripped. He missed a pull-up baseline jumper. He swished the 17-footer from the wing. He missed a wing three. He missed a corner three. Good D on George but he still scored, just beating the shotclock. He attacked from the corner, hung and couldn’t finish the layup over George with 33 seconds left.

Ingram -- -- Loved watching him match up with Paul George briefly. Not that he did anything sensational there, just fun to watch him go up against All Stars (George did blow past him for a dunk on one sequence). His minutes were really limited in this one and he didn’t make much of an impact. We set him up out of a timeout for a lob that he got his only score on. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-4 shooting (0-2 from three) to go with 3 boards, 1 assist, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 15 minutes. He was a -3. The Action: He missed a sideline three. He missed a three, got a pass back at the elbow and missed the open jumper there. He double dribbled. He gathered a lob pass off a backscreen and score the layup. Second Half: George blew past him for a dunk.

Nance -- -- Nance got the minutes tonight because he played with energy and intensity. Last game, he didn’t earn minutes, played poorly and should have sat. This is the Nance they need and Luke rewarded him. He was hustling on D, using that length in passing lanes and his good hands to be disruptive. Luke said Nance was “on point” with his game. He had 6 steals looking more like that disruptive Nance we saw in summer league. He even had one of those summer league shot blocks that has been missing this season. Keep that up. Offensively, he shot with confidence, passing up a three but taking other jumpers, including one big miss with 1:26 left. He had a massive throwdown on a Clarkson missed three that finally got us a lead. Lots to like in this one. He and Ingram trapped a smaller player in the corner early in this game to force a timeout. That’s a lot of length to deal with (I’d like to see more of that when those two are defending sideline PnRs). The Stats: He scored 11 points on 4-10 shooting (0-1 from three, 3-4 from the line) to go with 5 boards (4 offensive), 1 assist, 6 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in 30 minutes. He was a -7. The Action: He missed a three trying to beat the shotclock. Nice challenge on a guard’s jumper off the switch. He missed an 18-footer. He hustled after a pass thrown away and scored the layup. Good challenge on a jumper again. Second Half: He missed a tip attempt on the offensive glass. Bad perimeter pass, turnover, uggh. He threw an outlet away, arggh. He was fouled on the perimeter for FTs, he made both. Cheap loose ball foul as he had his hands on the ball. He deflected a perimeter pass. He up-faked and attacked baseline to draw FTs as he was about to hammer, he made one. He missed an open wing jumper. He rejected a shot out of bounds. He was called for a charge when the defender didn’t bite on a head fake. Nice interior feed when he drew the D on the screen-roll and Tarik dunked. He sank the 17-footer on the pick and pop. He knocked away a lob pass. He slammed off the two-man game with Lou. He slammed down a Clarkson missed three to finally get the Lakers a lead. He got tapped on a wing jumper with 1:26 left (good confidence to take it).

Black -- -- Good effort by Tarik as he was able to pull down quite a few boards (even though he also gave up an offensive board or two). His freethrow shooting has looked strong this season. Much better than the form he had last year as well as where he used to set up at the FT line. He got rejected pretty badly on a throwdown attempt in this one. Someone was going to get a highlight out of that play, but it wasn’t him. The Stats: He scored 6 points on 1-2 shooting (4-4 from the line) to go with 8 boards, 1 assist, 1 block, 1 turnover and 3 fouls in 19 minutes. He was a -3. The Action: He faced up, attacked left and drew FTs, he made both. He was stuffed as he tried to cram on Turner. Second Half: He was called for an illegal screen. He took an interior feed and drew FTs, he made both. Good job getting back in transition to help force a turnover. He took the interior feed from the rolling Nance for a dunk. He couldn’t secure a defensive board not boxing out well.

Calderon -- -- Better game from Calderon. He was thrown in the mix early as Russell picked up two quick fouls and had to sit. Some sloppy moments from him, as well. It wasn’t just the young guys in this game. He and Lou combined for 7 of the Lakers 19 turnovers. Some of those, I’d expect from the younger guys not the vets, but it probably goes to show you that the team is getting used to their new offensive sets. The Stats: He scored 9 points on 3-4 shooting (1-2 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 2 assists, 1 steal, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 17 minutes. He was a -10. The Action: He sank a midrange jumper off the two-man game. He poked a ball loose from behind to ignite a break. Horrible pass trying to feed Nance who was covered on a roll/post-up. Too long on a lob pass, turnover. He sank a wide open three in transition. He was fouled on a reach for FTs, he made both. Second Half: He sank the leaning wing jumper working off the re-screen. He missed a three. Mucked up play as he cut baseline, Clarkson cut toward him instead of spacing the floor in the corner and the pass was picked off.

World Peace -- -- When Mozgov went down, someone was selected to shoot FTs. Metta seemed to invite it and was put in the game, where he knocked them both down. He later missed two FTs after a drive. The team struggled on the glass when he was out there at PF. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 2-4 shooting from the line in 3 minutes. He was a -3. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: He was selected to shoot FTs when Mozgov went to the locker room, he made both. He up-faked at the three line, attacked the paint and drew more FTs next time down, he missed these, of course. He gave up an offensive board and it led to a three. Another offensive board and a score for the Pacers.

Walton -- -- Russell out early with two fouls, Lakers up 4-0. Calderon in with the starters… Nance in for Randle, Lakers down 6… Ingram in for Deng, Clarkson in for Young, Lakers down 9… Black in for Mozgov… Lou in for Calderon… Lakers trailed 27-18 after the first quarter… Same unit to start the second quarter… The Lakers trailed by 8 when the timeout came with 6:55 and Randle, Russell, Mozgov, Young returned to run with Clarkson. Wholesale change… Randle sat for Deng after picking up a foul… The Lakers fell back big by 16 with 3 minutes left… Too many turnovers, too many fouls… He sat Clarkson and Russell for Williams and Calderon… They gave up 19 points on 10 turnovers… The Lakers trailed 62-51 at the half… They cut it to 3 after a couple of minutes with a strong start… Nance in for Mozgov who was injured with an elbow… Lakers down 4 when Clarkson and Ingram came in for Young and Deng… Mozgov back in for Randle down 5 with 4 minutes left… Lakers just 4-17 from three… Mozgov, Black, Ingram, Clarkson, Williams lineup… Mozgov to the locker room getting hit in the face a second time. Metta selected to shoot FTs, so he came in for him and we went to the PF spot after making his FTs to cut it to 2… The Lakers trailed 84-79 heading into the fourth… He went with a Black, Nance, Clarkson, Lou, Calderon lineup… They cut it to 2 and 1 points but could not get the lead on several attempts… Russell in for Calderon down 7… Randle in for Black… They cut it to 1 with under 4 minutes left. Then took the lead on a follow slam by Nance… George with a series of buckets against single coverage D down the stretch and Luke called a timeout, down 3 with just over a minute left… We couldn’t reel them in…


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:51 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

At least they are keeping games competitive, a lot to work on still but improving.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:53 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB. Good, close game for the most part. I think some of our ice cold shooters are going to catch fire sooner than later. We'll see.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB! George took over and we didn't have an answer. Very valuable experience for the young'uns though.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:32 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

I think you will be happy if the theme for this team is playing hard and giving themselves a chance, even if most of the results are loses.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:36 pm    Post subject:

They'll learn how to close these games out as they get more experienced, but I like that they are able to stay in these games and fight back even when things go badly, it bodes well for the future
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:54 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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How concerned out of 10 should I be about Luke's rotations this early in the season? Not harping on it, just really don't know how to evaluate this yet because I'm not a basketball wizard.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:49 pm    Post subject:

They are doing everything this year that I clamored for last year. Time together will heal all the mistakes, etc we are seeing currently. We are going to be a big time team over the long haul. Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:07 am    Post subject:

Curious to see if GT tracked our open looks this game as well
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Why have russell guard paul george

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Chronicle wrote:
Why have russell guard paul george

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Exactly what I was thinking. We have $18m invested in Deng this year, have no idea why he wasn't there to try and shut down George to end the game.
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Daphanabe wrote:
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Why have russell guard paul george

Walton --


Exactly what I was thinking. We have $18m invested in Deng this year, have no idea why he wasn't there to try and shut down George to end the game.


Great point!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:57 am    Post subject:

Like Randle said, we could be 4-0 instead we're 1-3. The Lakers have been competitive in each game, but their youth and inexperience stops them from closing out games. These kinds of growing pains are something they have the entire year to work through.

One problem is lack of a closer. DLo is only shooting 33%, but has the ball most of crunch time.
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Klone_dd wrote:
Like Randle said, we could be 4-0 instead we're 1-3. The Lakers have been competitive in each game, but their youth and inexperience stops them from closing out games. These kinds of growing pains are something they have the entire year to work through.

One problem is lack of a closer. DLo is only shooting 33%, but has the ball most of crunch time.


They should put the ball in the hands of Randle who is a better isolation player and has a better chance of getting an offensive rebound on his own misses.

I still remember that first summer league game three years ago where Randle took charge in the clutch
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Chronicle wrote:
Klone_dd wrote:
Like Randle said, we could be 4-0 instead we're 1-3. The Lakers have been competitive in each game, but their youth and inexperience stops them from closing out games. These kinds of growing pains are something they have the entire year to work through.

One problem is lack of a closer. DLo is only shooting 33%, but has the ball most of crunch time.


They should put the ball in the hands of Randle who is a better isolation player and has a better chance of getting an offensive rebound on his own misses.

I still remember that first summer league game three years ago where Randle took charge in the clutch


I thought DLO's been getting the ball to Randle quite frequently lately, and vice versa.
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smoothazsilk wrote:
Daphanabe wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
Why have russell guard paul george

Walton --


Exactly what I was thinking. We have $18m invested in Deng this year, have no idea why he wasn't there to try and shut down George to end the game.


Great point!


To be fair, Deng has also been borderline awful to start out and I legitimately wonder if he would have guarded PG any better than DLO did (who did a great job). Luke mentioned post game he wanted to get Randle to rotate onto PG but he avoided it.
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justsomelakerfan wrote:
How concerned out of 10 should I be about Luke's rotations this early in the season? Not harping on it, just really don't know how to evaluate this yet because I'm not a basketball wizard.


3.

It's early in the season and some players aren't ready for big minutes (Ingram). I also think we need a deep rotation right now, so that players can get some in-game exposure. It's a learning process.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:19 am    Post subject:

Out of these losses, at least the young players are learning what they will need to work on for the next close game situations. They're just getting tapped on the shots as most of the shot selections down the stretch of these games have been for the most part pretty decent looks. As soon as they start hitting them, their confidence will grow and they'll start hitting them with more regularity. Hopefully Walton will learn to come up with better defensive gameplans at the end of the game. So far down the stretch they're not getting enough stops.
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justsomelakerfan wrote:
How concerned out of 10 should I be about Luke's rotations this early in the season? Not harping on it, just really don't know how to evaluate this yet because I'm not a basketball wizard.


I wouldn't worry at all right now. When he was coaching the Warriors they had a lot of tools, but he knew exactly what each could do and could not do. He was able to use them all and play to their strengths without issue. Right now, he's trying to figure out what he's got and what they'll give him in certain situations.

He has done a pretty good job of keeping people on the floor when they're playing a good game. It's barely November. The rotations will be in flux for a while, I'm sure, and there will be a lot of issues as young guys can make you look pretty bad with their inconsistency...but you got to give them some room to fail/succeed. And we don't exactly have consistent impact vets anywhere on the roster, either.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:58 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the perspective, DB!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:20 am    Post subject:

Seems strange to me to read that Clarkson and Russell were the ones "sent" and tested near game's end against 6'9" Paul George. What chance does either Laker have in curtailing - or even slowing - the work of such a player, obviously someone so mch longer, taller, stronger ? He's a comparative beast, someone that Young, Ingram or Deng might have been better choices with.

Oh well, testing players is what a coach must do in the early season I guess.

He's got to find out in real game scenarios what's possible with the guys on the floor.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:21 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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