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babyskyhook
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 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:40 am Post subject: Re: LAKERS -at- HAWKS – 11-2-16 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | More people probably need to step back and look at all the things Russell does. Realize just how young he is doing this. Post ups, threes, pull-ups, floaters, drives, etc., while dictating the offense and looking better at finding teammates. It’s not going to be consistent because of his youth. He had some careless, sloppy passes in this game, some are just not fundamentally sound decisions or execution. Let him make his mistakes. There will be plenty as he grows. But eventually, he’s going to consistently give teams fits. Just wait till he’s a vet. (I’ve got to say he does know how to draw a whistle like a vet sometimes.) Defensively, he did a good job recovering to his man for shotblocks tonight. He stayed with it and used his length well. |
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He's no Oakafor, though.
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | Quote: | | “They got a few guys that are really hard to guard,” shooting guard Kyle Korver said. “They made a lot of mid-range shots, which is what we typically try to make guys shoot.” |
| Quote: | | “The thing we just said in the locker room is give the Lakers a lot of credit for how well they played tonight,” Budenholzer said. “Their execution, their ball movement, their shot-making, their play-making, they were impressive. I think we can be a lot better. We need to be a lot better, 39 and 33 (points) in the third and fourth quarters, that’s hard to imagine. We can be so much sharper on both ends of the court. Different guys for different stretches for them really made plays.” |
It's nice to hear this kind of praise from the opposition. |
That's the most impressive thing about this team so far, different guys step up at different times. That makes us really tough to defend.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:55 am Post subject: Re: LAKERS -at- HAWKS – 11-2-16 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | More people probably need to step back and look at all the things Russell does. Realize just how young he is doing this. Post ups, threes, pull-ups, floaters, drives, etc., while dictating the offense and looking better at finding teammates. It’s not going to be consistent because of his youth. He had some careless, sloppy passes in this game, some are just not fundamentally sound decisions or execution. Let him make his mistakes. There will be plenty as he grows. But eventually, he’s going to consistently give teams fits. Just wait till he’s a vet. (I’ve got to say he does know how to draw a whistle like a vet sometimes.) Defensively, he did a good job recovering to his man for shotblocks tonight. He stayed with it and used his length well. |
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He's no Oakafor, though. |
I agree that we should let these players grow together
One should note that these young players are getting paid as producing NBA players, whether they are young or old |
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When we beat rox- oh, they don't play d. Mike d teams never do.- ok
Well, we just beat a really good defensive team in their house |
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| Halflife wrote: | When we beat rox- oh, they don't play d. Mike d teams never do.- ok
Well, we just beat a really good defensive team in their house |
This team has quite some firepower. When we lose, it is not due to lack of scoring. It's because of defense.
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| s_habe wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | When we beat rox- oh, they don't play d. Mike d teams never do.- ok
Well, we just beat a really good defensive team in their house |
This team has quite some firepower. When we lose, it is not due to lack of scoring. It's because of defense. |
yeah we mostly lost due to our defense. the lakers are filled with young guys so thats to be expected. what interesting is that they show a lot of promise defensively, their length, awareness, just need that experience. |
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Thanks, DB!
I am loving that both Randle and Nance are seemingly attempting at least 1 3-pointer a game. Even if they are not making them yet it draws out defenders to open the floor for cutters like JC, and frees up the post for Russell to do his thing.
Very positive signs so far. Mr. Walton is impressing. |
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| s_habe wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | When we beat rox- oh, they don't play d. Mike d teams never do.- ok
Well, we just beat a really good defensive team in their house |
This team has quite some firepower. When we lose, it is not due to lack of scoring. It's because of defense. |
And turnovers. Too many of the unforced variety. Once that stuff gets cleaned up, should be even more fun to watch. What has been encouraging is the compete level vs 5 playoff caliber type teams. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:31 am Post subject: Re: LAKERS -at- HAWKS – 11-2-16 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| babyskyhook wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | DzLaker wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | (I’ve got to say he does know how to draw a whistle like a vet sometimes.)
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Can you imagine Russell drawing fouls like Harden? You can tell he's gonna be a beast in a few years.
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I can totally see it. I love seeing him learn how to draw fouls. Harden is my favorite player comp for Russell given his frame and skill set |
Mine too. Lack of elite athleticism is another trait they share, and that clearly hasn't been a problem for Harden. won't be a problem for Dlo either, and he's actually trying on defense now, as opposed to harden not caring. |
DLO did have a nice dunk tonight!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:47 am Post subject: Re: LAKERS -at- HAWKS – 11-2-16 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | More people probably need to step back and look at all the things Russell does. Realize just how young he is doing this. Post ups, threes, pull-ups, floaters, drives, etc., while dictating the offense and looking better at finding teammates. It’s not going to be consistent because of his youth. He had some careless, sloppy passes in this game, some are just not fundamentally sound decisions or execution. Let him make his mistakes. There will be plenty as he grows. But eventually, he’s going to consistently give teams fits. Just wait till he’s a vet. (I’ve got to say he does know how to draw a whistle like a vet sometimes.) Defensively, he did a good job recovering to his man for shotblocks tonight. He stayed with it and used his length well. |
+1000000000 |
Just waiting till DLO develops that man strength.
Thanks as always DB.
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I couldn't watch due to the early start time. Really appreciate these threads DB  |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | In both of our two wins - Houston and Atlanta - you saw more Clarkson/Williams, less Huertas/Calderon. I don't think that's a coincidence. Clarkson is at his best with the ball in his hands running the offense. He is also a vastly superior defender to those two. If you have him coming off the bench, let Clarkson be that back up PG. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | In both of our two wins - Houston and Atlanta - you saw more Clarkson/Williams, less Huertas/Calderon. I don't think that's a coincidence. Clarkson is at his best with the ball in his hands running the offense. He is also a vastly superior defender to those two. If you have him coming off the bench, let Clarkson be that back up PG. |
Yep, I never understood the huertas signing...he is probably the worst player in the league. D is weak, almost refuses to shoot, jumps to pass...most D league pgs are better than him and some college PG's. Then compound that with the calderon thing, which was fine...but two small poor defenders as backup PG's is redundant.
What the rotation should be
PG - Russell/Clarkson
SG - Swaggy/Lou
SF - Deng/Ingram
PF - Randle/Nance
C - Mosgov/Black
If any of the guards get hurt or need rest during the year than you sub calderon in and make the SG rotation adjustments to make sure he never plays as the same time as Lou.
Zubac, robinson and calderon suit up in case of foul trouble or blowout minutes and metta/heurtas are in street clothes.
Maybe his minute distribution is
PG - 15
SG - 8
with DLO taking a few games off this year maybe clarkson averages 25 minutes a game, which is where he needs to be. Remember, he is already 24...he's just about a finished product. A little better from 3 and better D and he will be at his ceiling. He is destined to be a really good 6th man in this league...maybe 6th man of the year. |
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | Lakers earning respect. |
Yep people in the know can see (even if some folks here cannot). Bleacher Report had one of those "teams that are in trouble" articles this morning and I could tell the temperature must be changing on the Lakers because that's the first time since forever that we weren't included in one of those kinds of articles.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:16 am Post subject: Re: LAKERS -at- HAWKS – 11-2-16 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings |
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| DzLaker wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | (I’ve got to say he does know how to draw a whistle like a vet sometimes.)
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Can you imagine Russell drawing fouls like Harden? You can tell he's gonna be a beast in a few years.
On Ingram, he needs to be more aggressive on the offensive end. There was one play in the 2nd half where he faked the 3 and attacked the basket. I liked that but he passed on a layup or attempted dunk and instead kicked it out to Lou for a three. He's gotta try to score there. |
Actually that was a good play by Ingram, he drew the double team and kicked it out for an open 3 point shooter..I get what you say, but I don't think that is a good example. That play is the exact ball movement we want to see under Luke |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | In both of our two wins - Houston and Atlanta - you saw more Clarkson/Williams, less Huertas/Calderon. I don't think that's a coincidence. Clarkson is at his best with the ball in his hands running the offense. He is also a vastly superior defender to those two. If you have him coming off the bench, let Clarkson be that back up PG. |
This...Not sure I can suffer through anymore of the Flying Squirrel.
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| Zubac already has more moves at 19 then Dwight at the end of his career |
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| Fortysixn2 wrote: |
Zubac, robinson and calderon suit up in case of foul trouble or blowout minutes and metta/heurtas are in street clothes. |
Zubac actaully needs some 5 minutes/game to get accustomed. He is not a liability. Just young. And needs experience.
And then ... IMHO Huertas has played better this season than Calderon.
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | Lakers earning respect. |
Not from Ric Bucher or those dumbass "anonymous scouts" in the league. They basically called D'Lo a new Jarrett Jack.  |
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