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Would You Trade Odom for Frye? |
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Don't Care...Just Trade Odom, or just make a good move Mitch! |
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OscarWang Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: Would You Trade Odom for Frye? |
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Of course, more players, would have to be involved...but would you do it?
I know I would.....
a combo of Bynum + Frye with Turiaf should be really good in the future! |
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Walter Sobchak Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Would You Trade Odom for Frye? |
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MasTaFUsion wrote: | Of course, more players, would have to be involved...but would you do it? |
A lot more players. We're talking about almost $10 million more a year in salary. That has a huge impact on whether this would be worth it or not. Looking at the Knicks roster, without the Lakers throwing in other players there are really only a couple options that could make this work:
#1 Odom for Frye & Mo Taylor
Yes, I would do this. Mo Taylor's absurd $9 mil a year deal comes off the books in the summer of 2007 and Frye is dirt cheap. LA would be worse in the short run but would be much better come summer of 2007 with all that extra capspace.
#2 Odom for Frye, Malik Rose & Jerome James
No I would not do this. Malik has roughly $20 million coming to him in the next 3 seasons and Jerome James makes about $6 mil a year until 2010.
#3 Odom for Frye, J. James, Trevor Ariza, David Lee & Nate Robinson
I doubt the Knicks would even do this just because they're trading 5 players for 1, but if they were willing to do it I'd probably say yes. The biggest downside is James's stupid contract. _________________ "People don't think it be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble
Just a reminder folks: "a lot" is two words. So is "no one". |
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Aussiesuede Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmm.....uhhhhhhh,,,,,,well......
NO _________________ I'm On point, On task, On message, and Off drugs. A Streetwise Smart Bomb, Out of rehab and In denial. Over the Top, On the edge, Under the Radar, and In Control. Behind the 8 ball, Ahead of the Curve and I've got a Love Child who sends me Hate mail. |
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NOODLESTYLE Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I'd trade Lamar and Slava for jalen, frye, and a 1st rd pick not lottery protectd. |
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MIMLaker Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just Frye? HECK NO. We need a good tri-initiator to keep Kobe free to score.
If you had thrown in Jamal Crawford before he got traded, or Jalen Rose as part of it now, HECK YES, I'd consider it.
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1 - Bron; 1a - AD; 2 - Reaves; 2a - DLo; 3 - Vando; 4 - Rui; 5 - Shroo; 6 - Christie; 7- Brown; 8 - Gabriel; 9 - Beas; 10 - Bamba; 11- Lonnie |
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K8KillerInstinct Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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NEVER...unless they include Frye & Ariza _________________ Be nice to Mitch and everyone in this planet. Never do evil or commit any act that might hurt others' feelings. We must all become environmentalists.
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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No thanks. |
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OscarWang Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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As I said...they would have to include more players... |
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Vlade Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Channing and Nate baby!!! _________________ -
"All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie." |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Frye + Nate Robinson and it's at least tempting.
Still not sure I'd pull the trigger though. |
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Philostrator Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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My only criticism with Odom is he takes a lot of 3 point shots, but he can over power anyone on the paint, pretty good on defense as well. So to me, Odom should stay, we really don't need Frye, what we need is a Big Man better than Kwame and also a strong point guard better than Smush parker. |
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RG73 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Philostrator wrote: | My only criticism with Odom is he takes a lot of 3 point shots, but he can over power anyone on the paint, pretty good on defense as well. |
Who is this Odom you are watching? |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | As I said...they would have to include more players... |
Well then what's the point of the question? Would the Wolves trade KG for Kwame Brown...if they added Lamar Odom and Deavon George?
If the essance of the trade is Odom for Frye, then no one in their right mind would make such a trade. And when you add less signifigant players to the mix, it makes even less sense. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Vlade wrote: | Channing and Nate baby!!! |
gotta agree with vlade here. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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B_Rabbit1212 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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No, no, no and no.
Frye's ceiling isn't as high as the level that Odom's is at RIGHT NOW.
Can't create for himself or others. Despite 6' 11" big, doesn't know how to board. Soft on defense. He has one thing going for him, and that is his elbow jumper and extended wing jumper.
I want nothing to do with any of this years Knicks players. Maybe David Lee, but that is it. To be honest I'm not a big fan of Robinson. _________________ bonerkillcollective.tumblr.com - peep our art. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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B_Rabbit1212 wrote: | No, no, no and no.
Frye's ceiling isn't as high as the level that Odom's is at RIGHT NOW.
Can't create for himself or others. Despite 6' 11" big, doesn't know how to board. Soft on defense. He has one thing going for him, and that is his elbow jumper and extended wing jumper.
I want nothing to do with any of this years Knicks players. Maybe David Lee, but that is it. To be honest I'm not a big fan of Robinson. |
You mean Frye's not as high as Odom right now.
Seriously though, Frye's not a guy you think of as being a "potential" type.
But he has the potential nonetheless to be a better offensive threat than Odom.
Part of that is mindset, he plays with some fire and people overlook that.
He's not a great defender at this point, but his last year and a half or so
of college ball he got to be very solid on D. The same may well happen
in the NBA, not to the point of an elite defender, but certainly he could
become well above average.
You're right that he doesn't full-out create his own shot, and you'd be right
if you knocked his rebounding.
But he can be an 18-20ppg guy, soft on the boards a bit, solid enough on
defense, and is already a very solid passer.
Again, not saying I'd move Odom for him, but Odom and another solid
young piece like Nate Robinson (we always have trouble with speedy
little PGs, he could help us there even if off the bench)... then I'm at least
tempted to look into it. |
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MyKRo Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Hell no!
Frye is a bigger Brian Cook. |
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ncaugnit Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: |
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For one Frye is a rookie, and we know how Phil feels about rookies, and two he would have a little more than a third of a season to LEARN THE TRIANGLE!!!!!!
Again...hell no
but.. I would trade slava, and the miami pick for him. _________________ The Squeaky Wheel Gets Gasol.
Thanks Kobe.
GO LAKERS!!!!! |
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dag32 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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If it were Jalen, Frye, and Nate, HELL YEAH...we would have a ridiculous amount of cap space in 07. We would have to get Jalen though to mitigate the loss of Odom as an initiator.
Sorry to hijack the thread but an even better trade would be with Chicago for Tim Thomas's expiring contract, Hinrich or Gordon, and Deng. _________________ "There's a fine line between stupid and clever." |
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KobeButler Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Im not a fan of Nate Robinson. Athletic for a small guy but aint really good at anything.
frye, lee, malik rose and crawford for odom, slava and mckie, id do.
crawford/smush/sasha
kobe/crawford/sasha/wafer
george/kobe/lee/luke/green
frye/turiaf/rose
mihm/brown/bynum
small forwards can easily be replace. Our 07 or 08 plan will still be intact. In fact well have more cap space when malik rose's k expires. Theirs alot more options at the small forward position in 07 or 08.
We'd have a really goood cheap young front court for years to come. _________________ Pain is temporary, at the end of pain is success... |
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ElginBaylor Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: |
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No. This makes absolutely no sense at all! As much as you guys hate Odom, we win more with him than without him. Frye would be completely lost in our system and wouldn't contribute at all in the foreseeable future. Odom is a proven commodity who, although may not be living up to our lofty expectations, would certainly warrant an immediate impact player. Frye is going to be mediocre at best. Another example of a good college player (i.e. Van Horn) who will never be a stud in the NBA. If you want Frye so badly give 'em Kwame or Cook. Might be a lateral move but would certainly make a heck of a lot more sense than giving them Odom.
I'm totally bewildered at why we are even considering the Knicks as trade partners in the first place. If there's a GM in the NBA that is worse than Mitch it's Isaiah. So what's the point? Sometimes I wonder if some people here enjoy having players on our team that they can b!tch about. Frye and a handful of role players which would essentially turn us into the the Knicks West.
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iml84myd8s Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Would You Trade Odom for Frye?
NO and YES
NO, because Odom has more skills and experience than Frye. This team is already TOO young and Kobe is not getting any younger!
YES, because Phil would FINALLY move Frye into the post!!! If Phil would ever move Odom into the post, I would never think of trading Odom for Frye. I would never think of trading Odom for most of the players in the league, if Phil was using Odom in the post.
Odom is better than we've scene this year. Odom was an All Star in Miami and was one of the best players for the USA team during the Olympics. Phil is killing Odom's confidence by forcing him out of his natural offensive position! Odom needs his touches in the post!!! |
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CrimsonLaker Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: |
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No. I wouldn't, but we should've gotten Dwayne Wade in the Shaq trade. I know its a bit off topic, but whoever traded shaq without getting wade (mitch, cough...) is stupid.
On topic: Frye shows promise. But Lamar is a much better player, Lamar fits in our system well, and he is going to grow.
Fans have got to stop looking for the short term fix. Most people on this board are a bunch of little Isiahs looking for instant results. It doesn't work like that. It takes time, sometimes a season or more, for a group to gel. And for our core guys to be productive, they have to have some sense of stability.
I mean, we have a plan. The 2007 plan looks really solid. I thought everyone understood what the Lakers are trying to do, but now we want to make outrageous trades that could hinder the 2007 plan because of this season. I hate to break it to you, but we are doing, as a team, much better than anticipated. |
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KB8SD Star Player
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I'd make the trade in faster than a New York minute. |
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