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| Thanks Bard207. It is why switching everything as a defensive scheme for this team is not very smart due to the fact we don't have the personnel to do it. |
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Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
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The lack of communication is probably disheartening the team on that end as the year rolls on.
It's not just the youth, it's the fact this is the first year together for many of the players, just as with our last couple of teams. Randle, Clarkson, and Young are the three longest tenured players right now, and they were barely on the floor together until this season.
We need some stability first to really measure what we have(stability through familiarity from playing together), I'd give it another calendar year before making wholesale changes. Naming a defensive coordinator hasn't helped the Knicks. |
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| Lakers_Jester wrote: | | Thanks Bard207. It is why switching everything as a defensive scheme for this team is not very smart due to the fact we don't have the personnel to do it. |
| defense wrote: | Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
At the moment, I don't think that it really matters what defensive strategy they try to implement because the results are going to be poor.
Once the roster has enough players interested in defense and able to play it, then it will be possible to take away playing time from those who aren't trying on defense.
Currently, if Russell is struggling with his defensive assignment, the options for a defensive stopper off the bench (Williams, Clarkson, Huertas and Calderon) aren't very palatable. |
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| Bard207 wrote: | | Lakers_Jester wrote: | | Thanks Bard207. It is why switching everything as a defensive scheme for this team is not very smart due to the fact we don't have the personnel to do it. |
| defense wrote: | Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
At the moment, I don't think that it really matters what defensive strategy they try to implement because the results are going to be poor.
Once the roster has enough players interested in defense and able to play it, then it will be possible to take away playing time from those who aren't trying on defense.
Currently, if Russell is struggling with his defensive assignment, the options for a defensive stopper off the bench (Williams, Clarkson, Huertas and Calderon) aren't very palatable. |
True. we need to be targeting defenders in free agency and trades |
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Thanks for the breakdown, Bard.
I just hope that our youngsters (D'Angelo, Clarkson and Randle) can still turn into good defenders, that those 2 or 3 years playing sh*t defense won't make them worse.
That Mozgov contract really hurt us. He can't be our rim protector going forward.
Young, Williams, Calderon, Huertas, Robinson and Artest won't be on the team next year (or the other), so I hope that Mitch will be able to replace them with better defenders.
But Mozgov... Damn. 4 years of non-existent interior defense. |
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| defense wrote: | Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
Righty now there is no reason that Randle, Ingram, Deng and Nance could not be effective switching. What one has as an advantage the others share to some degree. A big part of the problem is that you see one guy switching while the other guy has no idea, follows the man he was on, and then scrambles to switch. Simple communication would take care of that.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | defense wrote: | Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
Righty now there is no reason that Randle, Ingram, Deng and Nance could not be effective switching. What one has as an advantage the others share to some degree. A big part of the problem is that you see one guy switching while the other guy has no idea, follows the man he was on, and then scrambles to switch. Simple communication would take care of that. |
In the last scrimmage video I heard one person quarterbacking the defense but he mainly kept saying "ice!" But never said where the screen was coming from. If I don't know where the pick is coming from how can I ice it?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | defense wrote: | Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
Righty now there is no reason that Randle, Ingram, Deng and Nance could not be effective switching. What one has as an advantage the others share to some degree. A big part of the problem is that you see one guy switching while the other guy has no idea, follows the man he was on, and then scrambles to switch. Simple communication would take care of that. |
I agree communication is also an issue and there are other issues. I didn't want to make the post any longer than it was pointing out every thing I think is wrong but I do agree with you. |
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| Lakers_Jester wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | defense wrote: | Switching, like zone is sometimes used to compensate for not having defenders who will fight through and step up on screens. I think maybe Luke feels like we will get pick and rolled to death if he doesn't switch a lot. Also keep in mind fighting through screens and rotating takes a lot more energy than simply switching. Stamina is an underrated quality in basketball. Some of our guys seem to lack the stamina to go hard for 30+ minutes per game.
The bottom line is we need players better equipped both mentally and physically to play good defense. Right now in the starting line up only Randle has the physical skills needed to make it possible and he seems to get tired very easily. Deng and Mosgov are average at best at this point in their careers. Russell looks like he will just be bad at this point. Nick Young started off pretty good but has kinda fell off of late which should be expected because he has been a mostly bad defender his entire career. Black, Nance and Robinson are all undersized. Clarkson and Lou are undersized and horrendous over all. Ingram like Randle seems to be the only one who has the mental and physical capabilities. |
Righty now there is no reason that Randle, Ingram, Deng and Nance could not be effective switching. What one has as an advantage the others share to some degree. A big part of the problem is that you see one guy switching while the other guy has no idea, follows the man he was on, and then scrambles to switch. Simple communication would take care of that. |
In the last scrimmage video I heard one person quarterbacking the defense but he mainly kept saying "ice!" But never said where the screen was coming from. If I don't know where the pick is coming from how can I ice it? |
If the ice call comes, you force towards the closest sideline. Doesn't matter where the pick is coming from. If the pick is already toward the sideline, you just follow them over it. |
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Look at our roster....
What defensive players do we have? Luke went from a cohesive team that played good team defense to a team that doesn't give effort even with fresh young legs. |
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After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
NONE WHAT-SO-EVER! |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
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| People blame Mozgov just like how they blamed Hibbert. HOwever, they dont seem to blame the one fix component in both, Julius Randle. |
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| danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
I think its certainly a personnel issue but also an issue of who plays with who. For instance everyone in the building knows if combinations of Randle/Mos, Randle/Robinson Randle at center and so on, then there probably wont be much paint protection outside of Mosgov's initial challenge.
Then take a look at our guards. Playing Lou and Clarkson together equals consistent bad perimeter defense. Really the only position where we have a bit of defensive versatility is SF with Ingram and Deng. I thought our best defensive line ups should include Russell/Young/Ingram/Deng/Moz/Black/Nance (when healthy). Those are the guys that have a chance at being decent defensively as a unit right now.
But maybe you guys are right. Maybe we will continue to be bottom 3 defenses until we get new guys who are capable in here. I am highly skeptical of some of the guys we have now. They have been consistently bad, some of them for many years. |
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| danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
It's not so much Mozgov's defense, because he positions himself well relative to other 7 footers. It's the small ball line-ups that are blowing assignments out there. Yesterday, Reggie Jackson threw an unimpeded lob to Drummond, who ended up blowing it because of how open he was. Here is the sequence: https://3ball.io/plays/drummond%20miss?playId=0021600612_502 - defensive miscommunication between Randle and Lou causes Randle to pick up Stanley Johnson when he should have bodied Drummond in the post. I don't think it would have mattered anyways, since Drummond towers over Randle. The small ball line-ups are very, very gimmicky and they have seldom been effective on the defensive end. |
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| danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
The odd thing is Mozgov was statistically a Top-15 or so rim protector in Cleveland. It's not an exaggeration to say he helped turn around an abysmal Cavaliers defense back in '14-'15. I was kind of bullish on Mozgov for this reason.
But he's been without doubt really bad this season. Part of it is bad guard defense and no help on his man when he goes to the rim (especially from Randle imo)... but he also just doesn't really go for blocks. I honestly wonder if he's even trying that hard on defense. |
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| Vesper wrote: | | People blame Mozgov just like how they blamed Hibbert. HOwever, they dont seem to blame the one fix component in both, Julius Randle. |
That's a good point tbh. |
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| tox wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
The odd thing is Mozgov was statistically a Top-15 or so rim protector in Cleveland. It's not an exaggeration to say he helped turn around an abysmal Cavaliers defense back in '14-'15. I was kind of bullish on Mozgov for this reason.
But he's been without doubt really bad this season. Part of it is bad guard defense and no help on his man when he goes to the rim (especially from Randle imo)... but he also just doesn't really go for blocks. I honestly wonder if he's even trying that hard on defense. |
Mozgov was top 15 rim protector and top 3 pick and roll center. Our young guns make centers look worse than they are. Our C has to cover our guards and our PF way too often and they have a tough time hitting a lob pass for a legit big over the defense. Just not a good fit. |
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| nash wrote: | | tox wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
The odd thing is Mozgov was statistically a Top-15 or so rim protector in Cleveland. It's not an exaggeration to say he helped turn around an abysmal Cavaliers defense back in '14-'15. I was kind of bullish on Mozgov for this reason.
But he's been without doubt really bad this season. Part of it is bad guard defense and no help on his man when he goes to the rim (especially from Randle imo)... but he also just doesn't really go for blocks. I honestly wonder if he's even trying that hard on defense. |
Mozgov was top 15 rim protector and top 3 pick and roll center. Our young guns make centers look worse than they are. Our C has to cover our guards and our PF way too often and they have a tough time hitting a lob pass for a legit big over the defense. Just not a good fit. |
The top 3 P&R center I take with a grain of salt, since being fed by Irving & LeBron is probably the best situation you can be, though he's undoubtedly a very good pick and roll finisher all things considered. I suspect Mozgov suffers from Randle/ Deng being poor spacers at their positions as much as Russell also being a statistically terrible P&R player.
But yeah, defensively it's hard for me not to blame our poor guard play (Russell of course but Young has low key been bad recently as well) and especially Randle. It was interesting watching Deng play the role of the helpside defender against the Pistons. He actually both prevented the lob to Drummond and stopped the pass to his original man in the corner.
Just glimpses of competent defensive play reveal how lacking our young guys are on that end. Most frustrating part is Russell looks okay when he's engaged, and Randle looks downright great when he's out there hustling. But neither sustains it for a full game, let alone an entire stretch of games. |
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| tox wrote: | | nash wrote: | | tox wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
The odd thing is Mozgov was statistically a Top-15 or so rim protector in Cleveland. It's not an exaggeration to say he helped turn around an abysmal Cavaliers defense back in '14-'15. I was kind of bullish on Mozgov for this reason.
But he's been without doubt really bad this season. Part of it is bad guard defense and no help on his man when he goes to the rim (especially from Randle imo)... but he also just doesn't really go for blocks. I honestly wonder if he's even trying that hard on defense. |
Mozgov was top 15 rim protector and top 3 pick and roll center. Our young guns make centers look worse than they are. Our C has to cover our guards and our PF way too often and they have a tough time hitting a lob pass for a legit big over the defense. Just not a good fit. |
The top 3 P&R center I take with a grain of salt, since being fed by Irving & LeBron is probably the best situation you can be, though he's undoubtedly a very good pick and roll finisher all things considered. I suspect Mozgov suffers from Randle/ Deng being poor spacers at their positions as much as Russell also being a statistically terrible P&R player.
But yeah, defensively it's hard for me not to blame our poor guard play (Russell of course but Young has low key been bad recently as well) and especially Randle. It was interesting watching Deng play the role of the helpside defender against the Pistons. He actually both prevented the lob to Drummond and stopped the pass to his original man in the corner.
Just glimpses of competent defensive play reveal how lacking our young guys are on that end. Most frustrating part is Russell looks okay when he's engaged, and Randle looks downright great when he's out there hustling. But neither sustains it for a full game, let alone an entire stretch of games. |
I use to get concerned about Dlo's D, but in Julius case I find it really annoying because when he tries he is such a pest. I find myself down on them most often then not and it is not about talent but the level of commitment to play hard doing what is needed to win a game. It is not good to see a veteran coasting, but for a young player trying to make a name in this league it is inexcusable. They can't take so many possessions off or be selfish to the point to set a decent screen only if it's going to give you an assist too. I enjoy watching Zubac play more than Julius and we can't really compare how ready Julius is next to him, it is really about the will to play the game the right way not to be a stat stuffer. |
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| tox wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
The odd thing is Mozgov was statistically a Top-15 or so rim protector in Cleveland. It's not an exaggeration to say he helped turn around an abysmal Cavaliers defense back in '14-'15. I was kind of bullish on Mozgov for this reason.
But he's been without doubt really bad this season. Part of it is bad guard defense and no help on his man when he goes to the rim (especially from Randle imo)... but he also just doesn't really go for blocks. I honestly wonder if he's even trying that hard on defense. |
At least slow foot Roy Hibbert blocked shots. But to highlight how important situation is. Hibbert is one of the best in the league at defending the rim while last season he was near the bottom where Mozgov is currently.
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LakerDYnasty72
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | tox wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | After last night's game, here is some more damning defensive data:
-Lakers are allowing opponents to shoot 69.5% on field goal attempts that are 0-3 feet away from the basket. The next worst team is allowing 68.4, but Houston took a significant hit with the Capella injury. The league average is 62.5%.
-Lakers have allowed a league worst 228 throwdowns. That's roughly 5 dunks a game for the opponent. The 2nd worst team has allowed 46 less throwdowns (182), and there isn't as much of a drop off after that.
Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2017.html
It would be a severe understatement to say the Lakers have no rim protection right now. |
I wonder what Mitch's been thinking, with that Mozgov 4 year contract.
We will never be a good team if he's our rim protector. |
The odd thing is Mozgov was statistically a Top-15 or so rim protector in Cleveland. It's not an exaggeration to say he helped turn around an abysmal Cavaliers defense back in '14-'15. I was kind of bullish on Mozgov for this reason.
But he's been without doubt really bad this season. Part of it is bad guard defense and no help on his man when he goes to the rim (especially from Randle imo)... but he also just doesn't really go for blocks. I honestly wonder if he's even trying that hard on defense. |
At least slow foot Roy Hibbert blocked shots. But to highlight how important situation is. Hibbert is one of the best in the league at defending the rim while last season he was near the bottom where Mozgov is currently. |
Really? I have absolutely no recollection of Hibbert blocking shots. As a matter of fact my recollection is Hibbert is just like Moz in that they don't block shots, they try to alter them through "verticality" or length.
Moz is a lot better because to me he's more mobile. While we might put a lot of our issues on our last line of defense, my belief is that if Dlo & Lou are your guards, the main issue is the first line of defense. |
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