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ChickenStu
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| kikanga wrote: | Looks like the final count was 44 in favor.
Phew! McCain voted the right way. But he wasn't the deciding vote by any means. |
Yes he was. It was widely assumed that Collins and Murkowski would vote "no." McCain's Arizona colleague, Flake, voted "yes." |
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Wow. McCain was the deciding vote. I'm speechless.
After all that crapping I've been doing on him the past couple days.
SOOOOO happy to be eating my words right now.
Heller voted yes. He might be regretting that in the future. His state is very purple.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Turtle is not happy. |
This dude is really a piece of work. There already is a law in place, dipstick! The gall of this man to ask the Democrats what their plan is now. It's genuinely unreal. |
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THE TRUMP TWEET DOCTRINE IS UNDEFEATED
| Quote: | Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So great that John McCain is coming back to vote. Brave - American hero! Thank you John.
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Schumer offered to work together. I don't have high hopes.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Did anyone see how McCain voted? Thumbs down and walked away. 
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| Wilt wrote: | | Schumer offered to work together. I don't have high hopes. |
It's actually the smart play for McConnell.
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Just my .02, but I think this was not a surprise. I think this was arranged.
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This is just a gigantic moment. John McCain just saved ObamaCare. I didn't think he would. I know that Murkowski's vote came after his, but, as I said, it was pretty much a given that Collins and Murkowski would vote "no." McCain's vote was really the decider. It's unbelievable. I'm just glad he did this. So, so glad.
The final thing he is going to be remembered for is to have cast the deciding vote to save a law that he absolutely despised, and voted "no" on, years ago. His legacy will be helped by this, and I think he knew it. Perhaps if he didn't have brain cancer, he would've voted "yes." I don't know. I'm just glad he did the right thing. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Just my .02, but I think this was not a surprise. I think this was arranged. |
But why would Heller vote for it, though? Unless this was meant to send away McCain in glory?
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| ChickenStu wrote: | This is just a gigantic moment. John McCain just saved ObamaCare. I didn't think he would. I know that Murkowski's vote came after his, but, as I said, it was pretty much a given that Collins and Murkowski would vote "no." McCain's vote was really the decider. It's unbelievable. I'm just glad he did this. So, so glad.
The final thing he is going to be remembered for is to have cast the deciding vote to save a law that he absolutely despised, and voted "no" on, years ago. His legacy will be helped by this, and I think he knew it. Perhaps if he didn't have brain cancer, he would've voted "yes." I don't know. I'm just glad he did the right thing. |
I think the GOP was in a no win spot. If they pass this they are in electoral peril. If they give up, they have issues with their base. So they created theater, and John McCain, perhaps near the end, was the guy to make the symbolic no vote. McConnell's speech was very clearly rehearsed.
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John Boehner just opened up yet another bottle of scotch.
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| Wilt wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Just my .02, but I think this was not a surprise. I think this was arranged. |
But why would Heller vote for it, though? Unless this was meant to send away McCain in glory? |
I can see why Omar is saying what he's saying, in the post above. That does make sense. But in addressing Wilt's thoughts, I agree with this. Heller is probably the most vulnerable GOP senator in the '18 elections. I know that this vote technically would not have repealed ObamaCare, but there were some awfully nervous people that probably thought that the House was going to ram something through, had this Senate skinny repeal passed. To me, Heller's re-election is going to be just a little bit tougher now. He could still win. But why make it any harder, especially when the Republicans will need every seat they can get? |
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| Pretty amazing...No one knows how long McCain will live, but his last act will have been saving healthcare for millions of people. |
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Now I remember why I can't stand Ted Cruz.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Just my .02, but I think this was not a surprise. I think this was arranged. |
But why would Heller vote for it, though? Unless this was meant to send away McCain in glory? |
I can see why Omar is saying what he's saying, in the post above. That does make sense. But in addressing Wilt's thoughts, I agree with this. Heller is probably the most vulnerable GOP senator in the '18 elections. I know that this vote technically would not have repealed ObamaCare, but there were some awfully nervous people that probably thought that the House was going to ram something through, had this Senate skinny repeal passed. To me, Heller's re-election is going to be just a little bit tougher now. He could still win. But why make it any harder, especially when the Republicans will need every seat they can get? |
If heller votes no, he's dead with his own base. He got the best of both worlds cover with his base and no repeal, and time to get some of the center back.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Just my .02, but I think this was not a surprise. I think this was arranged. |
But why would Heller vote for it, though? Unless this was meant to send away McCain in glory? |
I can see why Omar is saying what he's saying, in the post above. That does make sense. But in addressing Wilt's thoughts, I agree with this. Heller is probably the most vulnerable GOP senator in the '18 elections. I know that this vote technically would not have repealed ObamaCare, but there were some awfully nervous people that probably thought that the House was going to ram something through, had this Senate skinny repeal passed. To me, Heller's re-election is going to be just a little bit tougher now. He could still win. But why make it any harder, especially when the Republicans will need every seat they can get? |
If heller votes no, he's dead with his own base. He got the best of both worlds cover with his base and no repeal, and time to get some of the center back. |
But for that argument to work, it would require some massive incompetence by the Democrats in Nevada. Which is certainly possible.
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There are a few things, like reinsurance, that can be agreed to down the road that aren't really objectionable to the GOP if there is no longer a repeal fight.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Just my .02, but I think this was not a surprise. I think this was arranged. |
But why would Heller vote for it, though? Unless this was meant to send away McCain in glory? |
I can see why Omar is saying what he's saying, in the post above. That does make sense. But in addressing Wilt's thoughts, I agree with this. Heller is probably the most vulnerable GOP senator in the '18 elections. I know that this vote technically would not have repealed ObamaCare, but there were some awfully nervous people that probably thought that the House was going to ram something through, had this Senate skinny repeal passed. To me, Heller's re-election is going to be just a little bit tougher now. He could still win. But why make it any harder, especially when the Republicans will need every seat they can get? |
If heller votes no, he's dead with his own base. He got the best of both worlds cover with his base and no repeal, and time to get some of the center back. |
But for that argument to work, it would require some massive incompetence by the Democrats in Nevada. Which is certainly possible. |
Not really. Takes a big arrow out of the quiver.
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| If the Democrats come up with any kind of a viable candidate against Heller, he'll lose next year IMO. Their last candidate that ran against him, Shelley Berkley, was involved in corruption and ethics scandals (I had to look that up but I remembered it vaguely). It's truly a purple state, and I think that Heller is going down if his opponent is merely not a terrible candidate. |
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Hopefully the A-holes get off of Murkowski's back.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | If the Democrats come up with any kind of a viable candidate against Heller, he'll lose next year IMO. Their last candidate that ran against him, Shelley Berkley, was involved in corruption and ethics scandals (I had to look that up but I remembered it vaguely). It's truly a purple state, and I think that Heller is going down if his opponent is merely not a terrible candidate. |
That's entirely possible, and wouldn't really change with the no vote, which would turn his own base against him. The best he can hope for is a punchers chance.
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Interesting suggestion of expanding Medicare to high cost patients, socializing them and keeping the markets healthier...
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After seeing the reactions, I'm leaning towards this being staged too. Responses seem very scripted. I think senate was afraid of losing their seats in '18. I don't think Repubs wanted to go back home to their constituents with an empty hand. Now, they can say they tried their best and blame McCain, who is probably gonna retire. Thus, makes him an excellent sacrificial lamb.
Only Repub that may not know of this maybe Agent orange.
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