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| adkindo wrote: | Poll Shows Nearly Half Of Americans Agree With Trump About Charlottesville
| Quote: | | The poll found that 46 percent believe far-right groups were most responsible, 40 percent pointed the finger at both groups, and 9 percent believe counter-protesters were the most guilty. |
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2200 respondents on an online poll where 49 percent of them equate Nazis and anti Nazis. Any thing Nazi I'll be on the opposite side of. He's dead wrong on this issue even if 100 percent agreed with him. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | Poll Shows Nearly Half Of Americans Agree With Trump About Charlottesville
| Quote: | | The poll found that 46 percent believe far-right groups were most responsible, 40 percent pointed the finger at both groups, and 9 percent believe counter-protesters were the most guilty. |
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Key word Republicans. Isn't that to be expected?
| Quote: | | New Poll: Republicans support Trump view of Charlottesville |
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it is not key at all.....unless your trying to win a primary election. In total 49% of those polled placed responsibility on both groups or the counter protesters. If a poll has Hillary Clinton with 50% and Trump @ 46%....you do not say the key is most of those 50% are Democrats....of course they are, but it remains 50% in total. |
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In a country that is ~63% White
95% of the GOP congress is White.
95% of all GOP congressional districts are majority white
95% of self-identified Republican primary voters were white.
#diversity
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/breakdown-114th-congress-demographics-gender
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/12/95-of-republican-house-districts-are-majority-white/?utm_term=.bac11d3b0427
https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/16/fallout-from-the-gops-lack-of-diversity/ |
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| adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | Poll Shows Nearly Half Of Americans Agree With Trump About Charlottesville
| Quote: | | The poll found that 46 percent believe far-right groups were most responsible, 40 percent pointed the finger at both groups, and 9 percent believe counter-protesters were the most guilty. |
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Key word Republicans. Isn't that to be expected?
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it is not key at all.....unless your trying to win a primary election. In total 49% of those polled placed responsibility on both groups or the counter protesters. If a poll has Hillary Clinton with 50% and Trump @ 46%....you do not say the key is most of those 50% are Democrats....of course they are, but it remains 50% in total. |
OK. All 46-40, Rep 64 Dem 18, Ind 51-38. The polls say most think Far right groups were more responsible. Do you agree?
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| kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Either way.. Yes we can! judge these people in historical context by simply finding people who knew better and were alive in those days |
they were not hard to find, they were called Republicans.  |
And now they are called RepubliKlans |
I think that is going a bit far. It's a funny take but I don't like it any more than the silly Libitard meme and some of the other name-calling.
I think most Klan members are likely Republicans but not all Republicans are in the Klan. I know a few Republicans, I find them misguided, but they are not Klan members I can assure you.
In my opinion the GOP is allowing, if not enabling, the infection of the alt-Right crowd but not all are aligned with the KKK or Neo-Nazis.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | Poll Shows Nearly Half Of Americans Agree With Trump About Charlottesville
| Quote: | | The poll found that 46 percent believe far-right groups were most responsible, 40 percent pointed the finger at both groups, and 9 percent believe counter-protesters were the most guilty. |
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Key word Republicans. Isn't that to be expected?
| Quote: | | New Poll: Republicans support Trump view of Charlottesville |
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it is not key at all.....unless your trying to win a primary election. In total 49% of those polled placed responsibility on both groups or the counter protesters. If a poll has Hillary Clinton with 50% and Trump @ 46%....you do not say the key is most of those 50% are Democrats....of course they are, but it remains 50% in total. |
That is key information no matter how you slice it and you left it out. Don't do it again. |
I was absolutely stumped at what you were referring to until I clicked the link, but I think the issue is I linked the wrong page....I linked the raw survey data instead on the Article.
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I think you will recognize my title and quote are directly from the article....there was no intention, as I would not knowingly use a quote that was not on the link. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I try my damnedest to give Donald the benefit of the doubt. I considered maybe he really doesn't understand the meaning of moral equivalency. In his mind he sees two sides equal period. He's not very bright concerning many things, this is one. |
IF he was caught murdering somebody. He'd say. "What? God flooded the whole Earth. Killing almost everyone. And people, including people on the left, still support God. Are we gonna remove 'in god we Trust' off of our money now? Murder is part of our culture and history." |
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| adkindo wrote: | Poll Shows Nearly Half Of Americans Agree With Trump About Charlottesville
| Quote: | | The poll found that 46 percent believe far-right groups were most responsible, 40 percent pointed the finger at both groups, and 9 percent believe counter-protesters were the most guilty. |
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It's an online poll of 2,000 people by survey monkey. Not exactly reliable. That's not real polling. I've seen figures on CNN that shows the gap to be much wider based traditional/ legitimate polling.
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| kikanga wrote: | In a country that is ~63% White
95% of the GOP congress is White.
95% of all GOP congressional districts are majority white
95% of self-identified Republican primary voters were white.
#diversity
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/breakdown-114th-congress-demographics-gender
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/12/95-of-republican-house-districts-are-majority-white/?utm_term=.bac11d3b0427
https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/16/fallout-from-the-gops-lack-of-diversity/ |
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All of these articles are fairly old, and going through them, I could not tie out all of the numbers....where did this number come from...
95% of self-identified Republican primary voters were white.
also, what is the comparison to this number....
95% of all GOP congressional districts are majority white
I mean the entire country is majority white.....how many White Democrat congressional districts are majority white? how many Black Democrat congressional districts are majority black/minority? I think those in comparison may provide better context. |
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Listening to CNN. Question: Why haven't we heard more from Obama? Duh, he's no longer president!
Why does the country want Obama to speak on relations? Why aren't they asking for Bush, Clinton or others?
When he was in office he was constantly railed. Why now do they want to know how he thinks?
Damn, the man served his time. He's been released, leave him da f alone!!!
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| adkindo wrote: | I was absolutely stumped at what you were referring to until I clicked the link, but I think the issue is I linked the wrong page....I linked the raw survey data instead on the Article.
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I think you will recognize my title and quote are directly from the article....there was no intention, as I would not knowingly use a quote that was not on the link. |
I read the poll and you accurately described it in terms of the quote you used, so that's fine, which is why I deleted my post. The reliability of that poll is a other matter.
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| SweetP wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I try my damnedest to give Donald the benefit of the doubt. I considered maybe he really doesn't understand the meaning of moral equivalency. In his mind he sees two sides equal period. He's not very bright concerning many things, this is one. |
IF he was caught murdering somebody. He'd say. "What? God flooded the whole Earth. Killing almost everyone. And people, including people on the left, still support God. Are we gonna remove 'in god we Trust' off of our money now? Murder is part of our culture and history." |
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| adkindo wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | In a country that is ~63% White
95% of the GOP congress is White.
95% of all GOP congressional districts are majority white
95% of self-identified Republican primary voters were white.
#diversity
| Code: | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/breakdown-114th-congress-demographics-gender
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/12/95-of-republican-house-districts-are-majority-white/?utm_term=.bac11d3b0427
https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/16/fallout-from-the-gops-lack-of-diversity/ |
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All of these articles are fairly old, and going through them, I could not tie out all of the numbers....where did this number come from...
95% of self-identified Republican primary voters were white.
also, what is the comparison to this number....
95% of all GOP congressional districts are majority white
I mean the entire country is majority white.....how many White Democrat congressional districts are majority white? how many Black Democrat congressional districts are majority black/minority? I think those in comparison may provide better context. |
I stole this post from another poster on another site. Straight plagiarism!
I linked the bullet points in order with the links. The "self-identified" stat is the very 1st sentence of the 4th link (WSJ).
Your second request for the districts I'll try to find for ya.
Ya they are older stats. That's my bad . I'm actually gonna redo that post with new stats. Fair is fair. But I don't think the GOP made up the 95% to 63% gap in the past 2-3 years. Don't think Trump has attracted more minority voters. But it's worth looking into.
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| jodeke wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | I try my damnedest to give Donald the benefit of the doubt. I considered maybe he really doesn't understand the meaning of moral equivalency. In his mind he sees two sides equal period. He's not very bright concerning many things, this is one. |
IF he was caught murdering somebody. He'd say. "What? God flooded the whole Earth. Killing almost everyone. And people, including people on the left, still support God. Are we gonna remove 'in god we Trust' off of our money now? Murder is part of our culture and history." |
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You can rest now... that paid your bills for the day.. Comedy genius
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| LakerSanity wrote: | I think about 2/3 of the Trump voters voted for him and, of those, probably 90% would have voted for any Republican candidate. The remaining 1/3, IMO, voted for Trump because either a) he wasn't Hillary or b) because they thought "why not?" and just wanted a non-politician. That group has likely abandoned him and will be voting against him in 2020. If so, that group will be large enough to swing the election to the Dems.
I'm not concerned about Trump getting a second term. He won't. In fact, he may not even finish his first term. The larger issue is the Senate and the House. With gerry mandering and how most liberal voters congregate geographically in the same cities/states, I'm not sure there is a fix for it. One fix would be to convert Republican voters to democrats. Surely, identity politics won't do it. Still, identity politics or no identity politics, I'm not sure in today's climate if that is possible no matter how the Dems approach it.
The other fix is to lower conservative voter turnout. If the base and other conservative voters become disillusioned, they may just not turn out. That's what usually happens when one party runs the government anyway, it usually swings. If enough GOP voters just stay home, that might be enough to change some elections. The less happy they are with Trump, the more likely that will happen. Russia is one way to get there, but I don't think identity politics is because that's about much more than Trump. Another way to get there is to watch the Republicans (and Trump's) ongoing failure to pass any real legislation all the while Democrats propose alternatives. Democrats need to start talking more about what healthcare plan they would pursue, what infrastructure plan they would pursue, what tax plan they would pursue, etc. and how they can govern, but the Republicans cannot.
The last fix is it increase progressive/liberal voter turnout. That is naturally going to happen, especially in 2020, if not 2018, but that will likely not be enough on its own to really swing the local or state elections. Some of the above will have to happen too. |
Yep, my thinking in a nutshell as well. 2018 needs DNC supporters to come out of the woodworks or the party will be doing more soul searching. |
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Why is this Jan. 28 Trump photo lighting up Twitter?
Photo of Trump speaking on the phone to Putin just after inauguration with five of his senior staff and only Pence is left.
Flynn, Priebus, Bannon and Spicer all gone in 7 months.
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CNN source "Kelly's not done"
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| Code: | https://images.dailykos.com/images/345784/original/115th_Congress_-_US_Senate_Stats.png?1483459300
https://images.dailykos.com/images/345888/large/115th_Congress_-_US_House_Stats.png?1483479357
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/3/1616470/-Check-out-our-comprehensive-115th-Congress-guide-with-election-data-demographics-and-member-stats |
So if you look at GOP members in the Senate. Women AND minorities add up to 15% of their members.
If you look up GOP members in the House. Women AND minorities add up to 12% of their members.
#diversity
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| jodeke wrote: | CNN source "Kelly's not done"
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Hopefully that creepy Gorka guy and weasely Steven Miller. Any Kellyanne Conway too! 
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| SweetP wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | CNN source "Kelly's not done"
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Hopefully that creepy Gorka guy and weasely Steven Miller. Any Kellyanne Conway too! |
I don't think Kellyanne is on the list. Talking about a poker face. She lies like a champion poker player.
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| jodeke wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | CNN source "Kelly's not done"
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Hopefully that creepy Gorka guy and weasely Steven Miller. Any Kellyanne Conway too! |
I don't think Kellyanne is on the list. Talking about a poker face. She lies like a champion poker player. |
I'll settle for 2 out of 3.
For now.
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| SweetP wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | SweetP wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | CNN source "Kelly's not done"
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Hopefully that creepy Gorka guy and weasely Steven Miller. Any Kellyanne Conway too! |
I don't think Kellyanne is on the list. Talking about a poker face. She lies like a champion poker player. |
I'll settle for 2 out of 3.
For now. |
I'd be happy if all those hacks get fired. But it still does feel like we're cutting the crust off a Turd Sandwich (Trump).
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I'TS ON LIKE LINK
Bannon: 'The Trump Presidency That We Fought For, and Won, Is Over.'
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| Quote: | | “I feel jacked up,” he says. “Now I’m free. I’ve got my hands back on my weapons. Someone said, ‘it’s Bannon the Barbarian.’ I am definitely going to crush the opposition. There’s no doubt. I built a f***ing machine at Breitbart. And now I’m about to go back, knowing what I know, and we’re about to rev that machine up. And rev it up we will do.” |
I take that to mean he'll go after those who oppose Trump.
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