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Making room for the tax cut is object one of every repeal bill. There are a lot of other pieces, but that is the commonality.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Making room for the tax cut is object one of every repeal bill. There are a lot of other pieces, but that is the commonality. |
It's the sole purpose. No Koch money no jobs. |
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| Wilt wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | It's not only shameful but unfair to citizens that Republicans are trying to pass a bill they don't believe in just so they can say they passed something.
I posted a video with the president of Mexico roasting Trump. Trump is so inept leaders of other country's are making fun of him.
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1. They do believe in it. They think healthcare is a product, not a right, and they believe in shifting federal dollars to their coffers and away from blue states.
2. They have to have a massive health care slashing bill in order to fund their big prize, huge tax cuts for the wealthy.
Essentially, they are redistributing wealth from blue to red states and from government programs to wealthy bank balances. |
Republicans aren’t voting for Graham-Cassidy. They’re just voting for Obamacare repeal.
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| Quote: | Senate Republicans are once again just a few votes away from repealing and replacing Obamacare. It’s a plan that senators themselves struggle to explain and defend and that emerged on the public stage mere days before an expected vote.
How have they found themselves here again, after their previous repeal bills failed in July? The underlying truth, the beating heart of Obamacare repeal that refuses to let it die, is: Republicans just want to pass a bill, any bill, to say they repealed Obamacare. Whatever standards they’ve set for their health care plan, whatever promises they made before, don’t matter. |
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You can also make a case that they're voting to create the conditions for an upcoming tax cut. That's why every version of Obamacare repeal contained huge Medicaid spending cuts. And those spending cuts will finance a tax cut, which they then can spin as not increasing the deficit. |
There's not doubt in my mind that's the hidden agenda. What bothers me is they choose to use healthcare to fund the tax cut. Medicaid and Medicare help seniors, some middle class and underprivileged. I'm sure they can find another programs to fund the cuts.
They're taking money from entitlements. Programs that benefit seniors and underprivileged. Taking from the poor, giving it to the rich!!!
No one says it out loud but we're a Plutocracy.
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| jodeke wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | It's not only shameful but unfair to citizens that Republicans are trying to pass a bill they don't believe in just so they can say they passed something.
I posted a video with the president of Mexico roasting Trump. Trump is so inept leaders of other country's are making fun of him.
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1. They do believe in it. They think healthcare is a product, not a right, and they believe in shifting federal dollars to their coffers and away from blue states.
2. They have to have a massive health care slashing bill in order to fund their big prize, huge tax cuts for the wealthy.
Essentially, they are redistributing wealth from blue to red states and from government programs to wealthy bank balances. |
Republicans aren’t voting for Graham-Cassidy. They’re just voting for Obamacare repeal.
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| Quote: | Senate Republicans are once again just a few votes away from repealing and replacing Obamacare. It’s a plan that senators themselves struggle to explain and defend and that emerged on the public stage mere days before an expected vote.
How have they found themselves here again, after their previous repeal bills failed in July? The underlying truth, the beating heart of Obamacare repeal that refuses to let it die, is: Republicans just want to pass a bill, any bill, to say they repealed Obamacare. Whatever standards they’ve set for their health care plan, whatever promises they made before, don’t matter. |
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You can also make a case that they're voting to create the conditions for an upcoming tax cut. That's why every version of Obamacare repeal contained huge Medicaid spending cuts. And those spending cuts will finance a tax cut, which they then can spin as not increasing the deficit. |
There's not doubt in my mind that's the hidden agenda. What bothers me is they choose to use healthcare to fund the tax cut. Medicaid and Medicare help seniors, some middle class and underprivileged. I'm sure they can find another programs to fund the cuts.
They're taking money from entitlements. Programs that benefit seniors and underprivileged. Taking from the poor, giving it to the rich!!!
No one says it out loud but we're a Plutocracy. |
No, there pretty much is no government program, short of ending social security or gutting the defense budget, where they can find the obscene amount of money needed to fund the tax cuts (and by fund, I don't mean pay for, I mean keep from expanding the debt). And evennwith health care, they have to cut millions off to raise the necessary offset.
The fact that many of them actually think they ought to take health care from the poor is bad enough, but some who dont still go for this because the tax cuts outweigh lives. Literally.
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Each bill that attempts to repeal the ACA just keeps getting worse and worse. Others have done a great job of going over the details in this thread and how specifically it will hurt people, especially women and the elderly. I just keep thinking to myself, is the GOP really that insane and cold-hearted, or are they just out of touch and stubborn about "supply side economics"?
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If they can pass this bill and their tax cuts, they will have achieved the largest transfer of wealth in legislative history, and will have the ignomious honor of doing so by taking from the poor tongue to people who are already obscenely rich. Imagine giving a hedge fund billionaire a nine figure bonus by taking access to medical care from tens of thousands of people. Just for one guy. Yes, they really are this cold. They owe donors who wish to convert the United States to a literal oligarchy.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | It's not only shameful but unfair to citizens that Republicans are trying to pass a bill they don't believe in just so they can say they passed something.
I posted a video with the president of Mexico roasting Trump. Trump is so inept leaders of other country's are making fun of him.
We are the laughing stock of the world.SMH |
1. They do believe in it. They think healthcare is a product, not a right, and they believe in shifting federal dollars to their coffers and away from blue states.
2. They have to have a massive health care slashing bill in order to fund their big prize, huge tax cuts for the wealthy.
Essentially, they are redistributing wealth from blue to red states and from government programs to wealthy bank balances. |
Republicans aren’t voting for Graham-Cassidy. They’re just voting for Obamacare repeal.
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| Quote: | Senate Republicans are once again just a few votes away from repealing and replacing Obamacare. It’s a plan that senators themselves struggle to explain and defend and that emerged on the public stage mere days before an expected vote.
How have they found themselves here again, after their previous repeal bills failed in July? The underlying truth, the beating heart of Obamacare repeal that refuses to let it die, is: Republicans just want to pass a bill, any bill, to say they repealed Obamacare. Whatever standards they’ve set for their health care plan, whatever promises they made before, don’t matter. |
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You can also make a case that they're voting to create the conditions for an upcoming tax cut. That's why every version of Obamacare repeal contained huge Medicaid spending cuts. And those spending cuts will finance a tax cut, which they then can spin as not increasing the deficit. |
There's not doubt in my mind that's the hidden agenda. What bothers me is they choose to use healthcare to fund the tax cut. Medicaid and Medicare help seniors, some middle class and underprivileged. I'm sure they can find another programs to fund the cuts.
They're taking money from entitlements. Programs that benefit seniors and underprivileged. Taking from the poor, giving it to the rich!!!
No one says it out loud but we're a Plutocracy. |
No, there pretty much is no government program, short of ending social security or gutting the defense budget, where they can find the obscene amount of money needed to fund the tax cuts (and by fund, I don't mean pay for, I mean keep from expanding the debt). And evennwith health care, they have to cut millions off to raise the necessary offset.
The fact that many of them actually think they ought to take health care from the poor is bad enough, but some who dont still go for this because the tax cuts outweigh lives. Literally. |
The defense budget is one place to start. We have a sound military. Trump's insistent on giving their budget a increase.
I'm not versed on program fat. I'm sure a fine tooth comb would find enough to fund some tax cuts. Also tax reform is in order. Close some loopholes that only benefit the wealthy.
Instead of cutting Medicare officials should focus on spending the monies properly. I read somewhere that 10% of the 600 billion budget is spent on improper payments. Root out improper payments by hiring sufficient staff to do the job.
Disability is another area that needs more staffing to cut down on fraud. I can't put a figure on how much would be saved if there was sufficient staff to uncover fraud.
I'm sure there are other programs that could be streamlined and made more efficient.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | If they can pass this bill and their tax cuts, they will have achieved the largest transfer of wealth in legislative history, and will have the ignomious honor of doing so by taking from the poor tongue to people who are already obscenely rich. Imagine giving a hedge fund billionaire a nine figure bonus by taking access to medical care from tens of thousands of people. Just for one guy. Yes, they really are this cold. They owe donors who wish to convert the United States to a literal oligarchy. |
I'm used to seeing big donors affect legislation.
The part of this puzzle the upsets me beyond comprehension is the 10s of millions of GOP voters who are supporting this. Low and middle income people pushing against their own self-interests.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | If they can pass this bill and their tax cuts, they will have achieved the largest transfer of wealth in legislative history, and will have the ignomious honor of doing so by taking from the poor tongue to people who are already obscenely rich. Imagine giving a hedge fund billionaire a nine figure bonus by taking access to medical care from tens of thousands of people. Just for one guy. Yes, they really are this cold. They owe donors who wish to convert the United States to a literal oligarchy. |
I'm used to seeing big donors affect legislation.
The part of this puzzle the upsets me beyond comprehension is the 10s of millions of GOP voters who are supporting this. Low and middle income people pushing against their own self-interests. |
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I'm still in favor of single payer
Between Ocare vs Tcare I would choose Ocare
I like the idea of block grants. I think some of the blue states would create single payer or public option programs but Tcare cuts too much funding.
I think the market exchage was a bad idea
we should use that money to create a public option or expand medicaid or create a block grant program that actually covers pre-existing conditions and doesn't cut but increases funding to the states.
My goal is single payer healthcare but a public option or a well funded block grant program might lead us towards that. (Not that any of this matters since a well funded health care bill is a nonstarter in this congress)
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Kim Jong Un calls Trump ‘mentally deranged U.S. dotard,’ setting off scramble for dictionaries
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | I'm still in favor of single payer
Between Ocare vs Tcare I would choose Ocare
I like the idea of block grants. I think some of the blue states would create single payer or public option programs but Tcare cuts too much funding.
I think the market exchage was a bad idea
we should use that money to create a public option or expand medicaid or create a block grant program that actually covers pre-existing conditions and doesn't cut but increases funding to the states.
My goal is single payer healthcare but a public option or a well funded block grant program might lead us towards that. (Not that any of this matters since a well funded health care bill is a nonstarter in the congress) |
You can't give massive tax cuts to wealthy donors by increasing health care spending. That's the point: this is a cash mining operation. The political motive to wipe out Obama's program and the ideological motive to strip healthcare from the poor are merely bonuses for these (bleep).
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You see healthcare as a fundamental issue that needs to be addressed. They see a giant bank they can loot.
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These are Trumps friend and colleagues.
GOP donors threaten to withhold funds unless their agenda is passed
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| Quote: | If Republican politicians aren't soon able to pass sufficiently conservative versions of healthcare and tax reform, more than a few right-leaning donors say they're going to stop cutting fundraising checks, according to the Associated Press.
"Get Obamacare repealed and replaced, get tax reform passed," Texas-based donor Doug Deason said, calling his donations a "Dallas piggy bank."
"You control the Senate. You control the House. You have the presidency. There's no reason you can't get this done. Get it done and we'll open it back up," he said. |
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Kim Jong Un calls Trump ‘mentally deranged U.S. dotard,’ setting off scramble for dictionaries
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Sad part is Kim Jong-Un is right... |
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"Mentally deranged U.S. dotard".
It really does describe him quite well
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I'm still in favor of single payer
Between Ocare vs Tcare I would choose Ocare
I like the idea of block grants. I think some of the blue states would create single payer or public option programs but Tcare cuts too much funding.
I think the market exchage was a bad idea
we should use that money to create a public option or expand medicaid or create a block grant program that actually covers pre-existing conditions and doesn't cut but increases funding to the states.
My goal is single payer healthcare but a public option or a well funded block grant program might lead us towards that. (Not that any of this matters since a well funded health care bill is a nonstarter in the congress) |
You can't give massive tax cuts to wealthy donors by increasing health care spending. That's the point: this is a cash mining operation. The political motive to wipe out Obama's program and the ideological motive to strip healthcare from the poor are merely bonuses for these (bleep). |
I dont understand why they cant work with the other side more. If they destroy OCare, in 8 years or less the new Dem Pres will sign a new health care bill into law. |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | I'm still in favor of single payer
Between Ocare vs Tcare I would choose Ocare
I like the idea of block grants. I think some of the blue states would create single payer or public option programs but Tcare cuts too much funding.
I think the market exchage was a bad idea
we should use that money to create a public option or expand medicaid or create a block grant program that actually covers pre-existing conditions and doesn't cut but increases funding to the states.
My goal is single payer healthcare but a public option or a well funded block grant program might lead us towards that. (Not that any of this matters since a well funded health care bill is a nonstarter in the congress) |
You can't give massive tax cuts to wealthy donors by increasing health care spending. That's the point: this is a cash mining operation. The political motive to wipe out Obama's program and the ideological motive to strip healthcare from the poor are merely bonuses for these (bleep). |
I dont understand why they cant work with the other side more. If they destroy OCare, in 8 years or less the new Dem Pres will sign a new health care bill into law. |
That's 8 years of getting money and the interest from it and 8 years to find a way to hide it or find the loopholes to avoid paying for it. For some of them, that's literally a lifetime. |
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McCain announces he will vote NO on GOP health care bill.
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Good. With Collins and hopefully Murcouski (probably spelling her name wrong), it should be enuf. Paul Rand said he was against it also.
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There's a lot of BS in that statement, but if he's a NO, he's a NO.
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Listening to CBS 2 news. They're reporting McCain won't vote for the Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill. This statement by Matt Cartwright is insensitive, out of place and IMO ignorant. I don't think it will change McCain's mind but he should be chastised.
Democratic congressman: McCain won't support GOP health bill because 'he's staring death in the face'
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Wilt, why do you have so little faith that McCain's truly doing what he thinks is right?
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When he says that Democrats rammed Obamacare through Congress, he's lying. It took many months, countless committee hearings, testimonies by experts, countless amendments (many by Republicans) before Obamacare became law.
And when he says that Graham-Cassidy are acting on what's in the best interest of the country, he's lying there too. This is not about the country, it's about a stupid promise they made and to pave the way for a huge tax cut.
But as I said, if he votes NO, that's good enough for me.
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If you read between the lines, he's not voting against the policies embodied by the bill, he is voting against the procedures the Senate is using, which are out of order to regular Senate business.
Like Wilt said, I'm just glad he's voting no. |
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| Collins is probably a no, but Lisa Murkowski hasn't said yet. There's a lot of pressure on her and they are trying to bribe her by giving Alaska extra goodies. |
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