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ChefLinda wrote: | This billionaire administration really, really hates the poor:
Quote: | The HillVerified account @thehill
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Not so much hating them as much as trying to find ways to keep them uniformed.
Knowledge is power. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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ChefLinda Moderator
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DaMuleRules wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | This billionaire administration really, really hates the poor:
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Not so much hating them as much as trying to find ways to keep them uniformed.
Knowledge is power. |
It's both. They have complete disdain for the poor. Many GOP and white evangelicals believe if you're poor it's your fault and a character defect therefore you deserve whatever bad things come your way. |
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I personally think these allegations against Franken came out today to divert attention from the robber barons voting today...
I also think
Lying about the tax plan to the people is worse than one two or three allegations of harassment touching
Orin Hatch
John McCain
Paul Ryan
Mitch McConnell
Etc
Their level of lying hurts 100's of Millions of people
Children
Elderly
Sick and huddled masses
They are lower than whale scum
After this vote they never deserve respect from anyone in this country..
Hey McCain .. you're a lazy govt teet sucking (bleep)
Look at what our government will do to its own people and I get yelled at when show how horrible they treat other whole nations.
What they did tonight is proof they aren't Americans |
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And Kushner
"...accused of withholding"
Wtf? .. withholding?
How about LYING...
Perjury
Treason
You or I lie to federal investigators multiple times
Do you think they would still call it withholding |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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ChefLinda wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | This billionaire administration really, really hates the poor:
Quote: | The HillVerified account @thehill
JUST IN: Trump FCC votes to roll back program that helps low-income families afford Internet access http://hill.cm/EWR4yNn |
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Not so much hating them as much as trying to find ways to keep them uniformed.
Knowledge is power. |
It's both. They have complete disdain for the poor. Many GOP and white evangelicals believe if you're poor it's your fault and a character defect therefore you deserve whatever bad things come your way. |
Their God gives them the right to Judge other people as less than them somehow especially if their skin has more melanin than theirs |
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Wilt LG Contributor
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Interesting moment between Sherrod Brown and Orrin Hatch in the Senate Finance Committee tonight. Brown was accusing the Republicans of supporting a tax cut for the rich, and Hatch countered by saying that it cannot be a tax cut for the rich because he didn't grow up rich!
I love Sherrod Brown. He's a fighter. He and Chris Murphy are my favorite Dem Senators and should be considered as VP candidates. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
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vanexelent wrote: | https://twitter.com/CAPAction/status/931251959834775553
Here's how Trump will directly benefit from this Tax scam the House just passed and everyone else will get screwed. |
No doubt he's fulfilling his campaign promise of " ̶A̶ ̶ me r̶i̶c̶a̶ First!" and having 99.9% of us pay for it. This will come back to haunt the GOP, it's only a matter of time. |
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I really thought he was going to sit the sexual harassment and assault conversation out, but nope, decided to comment on Franken as if he's not a sexual predator who has not been accused by 10+ women of sexual harassment/assault and was caught on tape saying he grabbed (bleep). Incredible. |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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The Creepy Sexual-Predator-In-Chief:
Quote: | Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
The Al Frankenstien picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 while she sleeps? ..... |
How the mind of a sexual predator works as demonstrated by the deviant sitting in the oval office. |
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LakerSanity wrote: | Al Franken proves we can't have nice things. Unless proven otherwise, I'll assume all of the allegations against him are true. That he did these things pisses me off more than hearing about all Trump has done. I expect this crap from Trump. While all men should know better, I definitely expected Franken to know better too.
I don't want him to resign. I want him to stay employed so he can go through the most transparent and humbling ethics investigation we've ever seen all the while everyone can ask why only one side of aisle seems to own up to their actions and find people accountable, regardless of whether or not the perpetrator belonged to their own party. I think the optics of seeing Franken go through this while Trump continues to work unscathed are terrible for the Republicans... and I'd like to see how conservative talk radio dares to touch this.
Still, that doesn't diminish the fact that what he did was wrong, that he harmed someone and that we likely just lost someone who was important on our side. I feel bad for the news anchor (regardless of her current motivations) and I feel bad that someone I thought I could respect couldn't just be the moral human being I assumed he was. |
I agree with a lot of the disappointment, although I remind myself I have come to see him as a senator and forget he was a rather peurile comic prior to that, so I shouldn't be surprised at the picture antics (which are wrong but wildly common).
I am frightened at the mob we've become where your second sentence is seen as reasonable by many, including you, a guy I find to be a paragon of reason most of the time. I've seen and read about this kind of stuff in history. The crucible comes to mind... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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^I'm not looking for a witch hunt though. I don't think anyone is. This isn't the McCarthy hearings. I think this is an opportunity to make a point and create something productive out of something immensely disappointing. Similarly, if Franken is any semblance of who I think he was/is, he may know this is that opportunity. It may very well be why he asked for the investigation against himself, because, aside from controlling his own narrative and making himself look like a the paragon of progressive sentiment we all want him to be, he likely knows that he can turn his own tragedy into something that may create real change and make a point that he otherwise may not be able to make outside of some sense of martyrdom.
Your point about his past is something I thought of too. However, the same point could be made about Trump to some degree. I don't want to give Trump a hint of an excuse, so, regardless of the fact that Franken isn't close to being on Trump's level, I can't give Franken that kind of hint of excuse by analogy either. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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ChefLinda wrote: | The Creepy Sexual-Predator-In-Chief:
Quote: | Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
The Al Frankenstien picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 while she sleeps? ..... |
How the mind of a sexual predator works as demonstrated by the deviant sitting in the oval office. |
I constantly ask myself what it says about America that we've chosen this man to be our greatest representative. He is my president... and that's deeply shameful. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | ^I'm not looking for a witch hunt though. I don't think anyone is. This isn't the McCarthy hearings. I think this is an opportunity to make a point and create something productive out of something immensely disappointing. Similarly, if Franken is any semblance of who I think he was/is, he may know this is that opportunity. It may very well be why he asked for the investigation against himself, because, aside from controlling his own narrative and making himself look like a the paragon of progressive sentiment we all want him to be, he likely knows that he can turn his own tragedy into something that may create real change and make a point that he otherwise may not be able to make outside of some sense of martyrdom.
Your point about his past is something I thought of too. However, the same point could be made about Trump to some degree. I don't want to give Trump a hint of an excuse, so, regardless of the fact that Franken isn't close to being on Trump's level, I can't give Franken that kind of hint of excuse by analogy either. |
Perhaps I was unclear. I was a bit surprised by the picture antics and then realized I shouldn't be. Not excusing it.
Fwiw, the ethics investigation won't be as transparent as you think. They are pretty secretive.
Most importantly though, I'm seeing a lot of guilt at accusation. And an impossible need of the accused to prove a negative. I believe he may have done the other inappropriate action, and I believe he may not. I also believe a guy making a ribald picture is wildly different than a guy forcing himself on someone, and that doing one doesn't indicate a predilection for the other. And lacking corroboration and other credible instances, I don't believe he has the impossible burden if proof. I don't expect her to prove it either, because if true it's not like she might have the ability to do so. So while I'm a bit skeptical of her motive, I'm not going to call her a liar, not him. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Wilt LG Contributor
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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The Lebrons wrote: |
I really thought he was going to sit the sexual harassment and assault conversation out, but nope, decided to comment on Franken as if he's not a sexual predator who has not been accused by 10+ women of sexual harassment/assault and was caught on tape saying he grabbed (bleep). Incredible. |
This is a great opportunity for the media to pressure other Republicans to comment on Trump's own history. Heck, whenever I saw Republicans declare that Moore's accusers were credible, there should have been a follow up every time about why they don't think the same about Trump's accusers, given that he admitted it on tape. But no, the Republicans were largely credited for their stance.
As it stands now, we will move on to some other scandal and controversy in a few days. That's our reality. Moving from scandal to scandal. Our only hope is Mueller. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
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Omar, yea, it was the crucible reference that sent me that direction.
Anyway, my guess is that, at the least, Franken did something inappropriate and beyond what we see in that single picture. I don't necessarily trust the source of the accusations against him if only because, unlike the Moore accusers, she seems to be getting something out of it and, further, she's someone professionally invested in the other side of the aisle (right?). It's likely that what Franken did is somewhere in between what she says and what he is willing to admit to. Context is everything, and memory is unreliable (even when both parties believe themselves to be honest). Still, we're left with a similar result - Franken did something he shouldn't do, which is especially problematic given who he holds himself out to be.
As for the hearings, if they are that secretive, then it defuses my hope. However, my guess would still be that with Franken involved, they would be the least secretive "secretive hearings" one could muster. I can't see himself asking for it or going along with it without trying to make it about much more than him nor without ensuring the cause gets the publicity and press which is due. And I can't see the Democrats allowing for that either, not with the history of the man who currently holds the title of President.
Finally, its a real concern that when someone comes out with accusations against anyone we assume guilt, just as its a real concern where anyone assumes right off the bat that the accuser is lying. The pendelum of popular opinion will swing both ways - from giving the benefit of the doubt to the accuser back to giving the benefit of the doubt to the perpetrator and then back again. However, that's never a problem that can be solved because, ultimately, most of this stuff is he said, she said, without objective evidence to rely on, especially given that the accusations often come with many years having gone by. As such, most often these situations come down to a subjective, biased and predisposed conclusion. Of course, it surely helps when there is more than one accuser (such as with Moore, Weinstein, Louis CK and Trump). Right now, Franken, for example, only has one accuser (and one with potentially suspect motives), but who knows if more accusers will come out. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | Omar, my guess is that, at the least, Franken did something inappropriate and beyond what we see in that single picture. I don't necessarily trust the source of the accusations against him if only because, unlike the Moore accusers, she seems to be getting something out of it and, further, she's someone invested in the other side of the aisle. It's likely that what Franken did is somewhere in between what she says and what he is willing to admit to. Context is everything, and memory is unreliable (even when both parties believe themselves to be honest). Still, we're left with a similar result - Franken did something he shouldn't do, which is especially problematic given who he holds himself out to be.
As for the hearings, if they are that secretive, then it defuses my hope. However, my guess would still be that with Franken involved, they would be the least secretive "secretive hearings" one could muster. I can't see himself asking for it or going along with it without trying to make it about much more than him. And I can't see the Democrats allowing for that either, not with the history of the man who currently holds the title of President.
Finally, its a real concern that when someone comes out with accusations against anyone we assume guilt, just as its a real concern where anyone assumes right off the bat that the accuser is lying. The pendelum of popular opinion will swing both ways - from giving the benefit of the doubt to the accuser back to giving the benefit of the doubt to the perpetrator and then back again. However, that's never a problem that can be solved because, ultimately, most of this stuff is he said, she said, without objective evidence to rely on, especially given that the accusations often come with many years having gone by. As such, most often these situations come down to a subjective, biased and predisposed conclusion. Of course, it surely helps when there is more than one accuser (such as with Moore, Weinstein, Louis CK and Trump). Right now, Franken, for example, only has one accuser (and one with potentially suspect motives), but who knows if more accusers will come out. |
Yeah, I'm trying to not follow the pendulum to either extreme. And line I said, the picture was unacceptable and he should take it at for it, but it comports with who be has been. The other part is very different, and like I said, I just can't give that an ok, sure without more to go on. I will not say it is impossible, and while I think it would be grossly naive to discount her potential motives, I also think that doesn't mean she isnt correct either. I'm kind of at null on thst as best I can be. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-bill-clinton-lewinsky_us_5a0e52ede4b0dd63b1a97e4a?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand Says Bill Clinton Should’ve Resigned Over Lewinsky Scandal
Quote: | Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) said that President Bill Clinton should have resigned from the Oval Office after news broke of his infamous affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
In an interview with The New York Times, Gillibrand said that Clinton stepping down after the scandal was made public would have been “the appropriate response.”
Gillibrand, who fervently supported Hillary Clinton during her 2016 campaign for the presidency, added that the standard for behavior has changed since her husband’s presidential term ended in 2001.
“Things have changed today, and I think under those circumstances there should be a very different reaction,” she said, apparently nodding to the watershed conversation happening nationally in the U.S. on powerful men and sexual abuse. |
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In a corporation, if the company found out a manager or supervisor (no less an executive, director or board member) not only received oral sex at the office, but from someone who was his female subordinate... that guy is supposed to get fired. And, whether he is actually fired or not (because companies often try to sweep these things under the rug), eventually the subordinate likely gets fired and then files a lawsuit (even if the sex was consensual), alleging that he took advantage of his authority over her to manipulate her into a sexual relationship and that she lost her job because of it (which, frankly, would probably be true).
The President of the United States received oral sex in the oval office from a woman who was effectively his secretary. I'm not sure a situation like that can truly be consensual given the power dynamics at play but, even if was, you are still talking about the most powerful man in the world treating a member of his office staff as though she is a sexual object, and not a co-worker, all the while within the workplace. Yea, he should have stepped down or been impeached on that basis alone. He wasn't impeached on that basis (only based on perjury) because of partisan politics. I'm trying to avoid the same approach today by not looking the other way when it comes to guys like LOuis CK or Frankin.
His situation, compared to what's going on now, shows how different things aree today. Just imagine how it was before Anita Hill. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Omar Little wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | ^I'm not looking for a witch hunt though. I don't think anyone is. This isn't the McCarthy hearings. I think this is an opportunity to make a point and create something productive out of something immensely disappointing. Similarly, if Franken is any semblance of who I think he was/is, he may know this is that opportunity. It may very well be why he asked for the investigation against himself, because, aside from controlling his own narrative and making himself look like a the paragon of progressive sentiment we all want him to be, he likely knows that he can turn his own tragedy into something that may create real change and make a point that he otherwise may not be able to make outside of some sense of martyrdom.
Your point about his past is something I thought of too. However, the same point could be made about Trump to some degree. I don't want to give Trump a hint of an excuse, so, regardless of the fact that Franken isn't close to being on Trump's level, I can't give Franken that kind of hint of excuse by analogy either. |
Perhaps I was unclear. I was a bit surprised by the picture antics and then realized I shouldn't be. Not excusing it.
Fwiw, the ethics investigation won't be as transparent as you think. They are pretty secretive.
Most importantly though, I'm seeing a lot of guilt at accusation. And an impossible need of the accused to prove a negative. I believe he may have done the other inappropriate action, and I believe he may not. I also believe a guy making a ribald picture is wildly different than a guy forcing himself on someone, and that doing one doesn't indicate a predilection for the other. And lacking corroboration and other credible instances, I don't believe he has the impossible burden if proof. I don't expect her to prove it either, because if true it's not like she might have the ability to do so. So while I'm a bit skeptical of her motive, I'm not going to call her a liar, not him. |
I see a lot of people downplaying the photo "antic". Sure, I think he was kidding around, but that is not the point. He was kidding around while making a groping motion to the body of a women who was asleep and had not consented to being part of the "joke". It may not be sexual assault, but it is certainly more than simply kidding around, even if that was the intent. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
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ChefLinda wrote: | The Creepy Sexual-Predator-In-Chief:
Quote: | Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
The Al Frankenstien picture is really bad, speaks a thousand words. Where do his hands go in pictures 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 while she sleeps? ..... |
How the mind of a sexual predator works as demonstrated by the deviant sitting in the oval office. |
Frighteningly disgusting and deeply very deeply creepy
Parents.. Millions of them Born and raised right here in America tell their children to emulate Donald Trump everyday...
The dark humor let's me laugh for a sec wishing his presidency and supporters was all just a joke and all the horrible stuff him and his people wish to do and have done could all just vanish.
Our nation needed an awakening just not one this poisonous..
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Wilt wrote: | https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-bill-clinton-lewinsky_us_5a0e52ede4b0dd63b1a97e4a?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand Says Bill Clinton Should’ve Resigned Over Lewinsky Scandal
Quote: | Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) said that President Bill Clinton should have resigned from the Oval Office after news broke of his infamous affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
In an interview with The New York Times, Gillibrand said that Clinton stepping down after the scandal was made public would have been “the appropriate response.”
Gillibrand, who fervently supported Hillary Clinton during her 2016 campaign for the presidency, added that the standard for behavior has changed since her husband’s presidential term ended in 2001.
“Things have changed today, and I think under those circumstances there should be a very different reaction,” she said, apparently nodding to the watershed conversation happening nationally in the U.S. on powerful men and sexual abuse. |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | ^I'm not looking for a witch hunt though. I don't think anyone is. This isn't the McCarthy hearings. I think this is an opportunity to make a point and create something productive out of something immensely disappointing. Similarly, if Franken is any semblance of who I think he was/is, he may know this is that opportunity. It may very well be why he asked for the investigation against himself, because, aside from controlling his own narrative and making himself look like a the paragon of progressive sentiment we all want him to be, he likely knows that he can turn his own tragedy into something that may create real change and make a point that he otherwise may not be able to make outside of some sense of martyrdom.
Your point about his past is something I thought of too. However, the same point could be made about Trump to some degree. I don't want to give Trump a hint of an excuse, so, regardless of the fact that Franken isn't close to being on Trump's level, I can't give Franken that kind of hint of excuse by analogy either. |
Perhaps I was unclear. I was a bit surprised by the picture antics and then realized I shouldn't be. Not excusing it.
Fwiw, the ethics investigation won't be as transparent as you think. They are pretty secretive.
Most importantly though, I'm seeing a lot of guilt at accusation. And an impossible need of the accused to prove a negative. I believe he may have done the other inappropriate action, and I believe he may not. I also believe a guy making a ribald picture is wildly different than a guy forcing himself on someone, and that doing one doesn't indicate a predilection for the other. And lacking corroboration and other credible instances, I don't believe he has the impossible burden if proof. I don't expect her to prove it either, because if true it's not like she might have the ability to do so. So while I'm a bit skeptical of her motive, I'm not going to call her a liar, not him. |
I see a lot of people downplaying the photo "antic". Sure, I think he was kidding around, but that is not the point. He was kidding around while making a groping motion to the body of a women who was asleep and had not consented to being part of the "joke". It may not be sexual assault, but it is certainly more than simply kidding around, even if that was the intent. |
After mulling it over for a day I think he should resign. We have to draw a line in the sand on this issue because we damn well know the other side won't. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Fwiw and not saying tweeden wasn't affected but this took the headlines from a man who was and may still be a child predator
Moore was probably abused as a kid and forced to gag on a crucifix just like he is doing in his adult life to others now
Child sexual abuse is a millionfold more damaging AND devious than a really (bleep) moment in Frankens life that I really hope doesn't bring out a Spacey like laundry list
What Franken did was really lousy and ..IF the story is 110% why was her husband afraid of Franken? Franken was never a big star..
I think everyone is rushing way too fast with the stories
I don't believe her story about the kiss in dressing room
People should not be calling for him to step down yet or even considering it until much more is revealed |
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After mulling it over for a day I think he should resign. We have to draw a line in the sand on this issue because we damn well know the other side won't. |
I've been listening to reports by women from women on how he champions women causes, hires and promotes them, treats them with respect and dignity. Basically is a staunch supporters for women in general. I'm for keeping him in place.
IMO he can be a voice for change in the future. If he handles his apology correctly, doesn't hide, speaks out against abuse, displays honest contrition, his being involved may cause his voice to resonate positively.
Jack Mosley changed, Chuck Berry changed. Maybe Al Franken has changed! _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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