THE Political Thread (ALL Political Discussion Here - See Rules, P. 1)

[EldenCampbell]

I'd be totally on board with removing Clarence Thomas from the Supreme Court (he should've never been confirmed in the first place) if I wasn't certain Trump would appoint someone even worse.

[Wilt]

From what I've heard, the guy he did appoint, Gorsuch, is not just very conservative, but also an (bleep) and the other justices don't like him at all.
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[jodeke]

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[EldenCampbell]

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[Omar Little]

Again, I like to try and be fair to everyone, and to context. The picture? A good example of poor judgement but not exactly poor intent, since this is something that men will do to each other as well, without the intent of subjugation or power. It is something good buddies do to each other. A gotchya thing with the intent to amuse, not anger. Jvenile, yes. Indicative of a lack of sensitivities, yes. The entire tour they were on was rife with this, set up that way to be very blue and very suggestive. That doesnt mean anyone had the right to touch her or proposition her, but one can expect in an environment of both bawdiness and camaraderie, there might have been the idea that everyone was good with it, and that on And off stage might have blurred a bit. And thats on them. But a little public shaming and an apology and a lot of people talking about it and internalizing the need to be more careful and considerate themselves is exactly the result that should have happened.

Now the allegation of the forced kiss? That's very different if true. It's also another area where we need to be careful and weigh the evidence and give both parties some benefit while we do so. And as is almost always the case in these types of attacks, we look for corroboration of the behavior, which we would almost certainly get in the current environment.

Men who do what he is accused of don't tend to just do it once, or not have other telltale similar behaviors. And this is a guy who has worked with and around countless women over the years, and has a huge q rating. And there's not a single instance of anyone else saying anything but the exact opposite about him. He's known as a relentlessly nice guy, and a gentleman. His co-workers and subordinates tell stories of a guy who is exactly like the guy who is active one women's rights should be. That's shockingly rare in this kind of case.

That doesnt mean it is impossible to be true, it is just not shaping up like true cases tend to be, and it's not because of shaming the victim, far from it. She's been wildly encouraged, as have anyone else who wants to come forward. So a bit of suspicion is warranted, and while her political beliefs and affiliations (and the fact that a plot that would be a distraction from the tax bill, a whataboutism rebuttal to Roy Moore, and a smear of a powerful advocate against the administration and future seeker of higher office--with a lot of cross aisle pull And charisma--would look exactly like this) dont mean she's lying, nor does having multiple strong motives, they have some relevance in a non corroborated single situation. One can argue that it is both wrong to assume she's lying because she has potential motives, and equally wrong to discount motive and assume guilt on accusation.

Like I said, I've seen bith sides of this, with victims hushed and with people ruined on false accusations. This is a very ripe atmosphere for the latter right now as there is an absolute feeding frenzy for famous sexual assault and harassment accusation. And don't think the GOP doesn't for a minute understand that there's an urge by the left to take the moral high ground at any cost, including anyone in their ranks. And don't think that is somehow beyond their willingness to use.

Are they in this case? I honestly don't know. And I honestly don't know doesn't justify burning anyone at the stake.
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[lakerjoshua]

I think both Franken and Moore should step down. (and obviously the groper in chief as well).

I also think history will view Franken as martyr and Moore a pariah.

[governator]

You guys really believe politically, especially with the right already making any sexual assault/harassment NOT a deal breaker (even pedophilia), that the left can define this ‘line’ pertaining to degree of sexual assault/harassment? And still politically able to differ itself from the right and not just the ‘lite’ version of the right?

[Omar Little]

[The Lebrons]

[Omar Little]

Fwiw, nothing in what I said above should be construed as agreement with or encouragement of the sentiments expressed by CI.
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[Ted]

Republicans are very good at dirty politics. It got them into the White House, don't be surprised if they're up to their old tricks again.

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[Omar Little]

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[JIFISH]

[DaMuleRules]

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[Omar Little]

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[Hector the Pup]

Actually 17. It's hard to bring up whataboutism in a situation where it actually fits because it has been overused. That's the problem with this administration.