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The Lebrons Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Lucky_Shot wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | On this day in 1863: Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg address.
On this day in 2017:
Quote: | Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail! |
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I don't have all the facts but if its true LaVar isn't appreciative of Trumps help, I would call him ungrateful.
Outside of politics. If my son was facing those charges and Trump/Hillary helped I would at least thank them |
I can't believe human people with human brains can look at this "situation" and this is their take away. |
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Buck32 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The Lebrons wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | On this day in 1863: Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg address.
On this day in 2017:
Quote: | Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail! |
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I don't have all the facts but if its true LaVar isn't appreciative of Trumps help, I would call him ungrateful.
Outside of politics. If my son was facing those charges and Trump/Hillary helped I would at least thank them |
I can't believe human people with human brains can look at this "situation" and this is their take away. |
The intro about Abe was obviously lost on some people. The expectations and the standards for the president has sunk so low that they accept, believe en defend every petty and childish remark. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Is there any proof Trump helped?
Yes, I am honestly asking this. If Obama said he helped.. cool.. I believe it
Trump mouth open = lie
Fingertips lie more than his mouth does
so, is there any proof he helped? |
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LarryCoon Site Staff
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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The other factor in the Trump-Ball situation -- I talked to Arash for a while the other night. He was in China with the players when it happened, and stayed there the entire time they were under custody. He spoke to MANY sources in China, who all said the players likely would have faced one to two WEEKS of incarceration. Trump is blowing the potential consequences way out of proportion. |
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | New pictures came out from the Franken USO show, demonstrating a joking sexualized environment that both seemed to participate in. |
What is that he's holding? |
This one undermines her entire story in my mind. In other words, from my understanding, she had alleged that Franken wrote into their skit that they would have a kiss, and that she didn't want to go along with it, so when they were done with the tour, as a send off of sorts, that's when he forced the kiss on her. Here, she's kissing him as part of the skit or show, with her arm around him. It seems pretty consensual to me and would make it strange for him to want to force the same kiss he's receiving in public in private. Of course, this is the part of the claim Franken is disputing.
https://images.dailykos.com/images/473954/large/DO4CnPtVoAAcnna.jpg?1511018707
And this one doesn't help her credibility either. Just an example of the type of atmosphere that both consensually seemed to participate in.
https://images.dailykos.com/images/473953/large/DO6nCf-UIAEiiYS.jpg-large.jpeg?1511018370
I'm all for believing a woman when there are allegations of sexual harassment or assault. The years of denying such at the expense for these victims requires that we give more of a benefit of the doubt to the accusers than we might otherwise if all things were equal. However, it doesn't help when you don't tell the entire story, which she hasn't based on these pictures. |
These pictures beg the question, WHY NOW? Anyone know if she's a Republican or Democrat? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | New pictures came out from the Franken USO show, demonstrating a joking sexualized environment that both seemed to participate in. |
What is that he's holding? |
This one undermines her entire story in my mind. In other words, from my understanding, she had alleged that Franken wrote into their skit that they would have a kiss, and that she didn't want to go along with it, so when they were done with the tour, as a send off of sorts, that's when he forced the kiss on her. Here, she's kissing him as part of the skit or show, with her arm around him. It seems pretty consensual to me and would make it strange for him to want to force the same kiss he's receiving in public in private. Of course, this is the part of the claim Franken is disputing.
https://images.dailykos.com/images/473954/large/DO4CnPtVoAAcnna.jpg?1511018707
And this one doesn't help her credibility either. Just an example of the type of atmosphere that both consensually seemed to participate in.
https://images.dailykos.com/images/473953/large/DO6nCf-UIAEiiYS.jpg-large.jpeg?1511018370
I'm all for believing a woman when there are allegations of sexual harassment or assault. The years of denying such at the expense for these victims requires that we give more of a benefit of the doubt to the accusers than we might otherwise if all things were equal. However, it doesn't help when you don't tell the entire story, which she hasn't based on these pictures. |
These pictures beg the question, WHY NOW? Anyone know if she's a Republican or Democrat? |
FWIW
http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/leeann-tweeden-al-franken-photo-sexual-assault/
Quote: | She has tweeted about being at the Trump golf course and once retweeted an article about Trump not running for president in 2012. She also wrote on Twitter in 2011, “How cool is this?! The check @johnrich got for St. Jude’s from Mr. Trump!!” The tweet didn’t elaborate. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, I see. None of this means that Franken didn't do more outside of that picture. However, it does make that picture very much seem like it was just a gag that was in line of what everyone in the tour was doing, including Sweeten. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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LakerSanity Moderator
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? |
Maybe because she saw other women feeling like they finally could speak up and she felt the same? There may be other reasons, but we should all first acknowledge that one as opposed to our first instinct being an ulterior motive. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? |
Maybe because she saw other women feeling like they finally could speak up and she felt the same? There may be other reasons, but we should all first acknowledge that one as opposed to our first instinct being an ulterior motive. |
I'm looking for a reason to why now? I'm in agreement with our first instinct being an ulterior motive. If she's a Republican I lean to it being political. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? |
Maybe because she saw other women feeling like they finally could speak up and she felt the same? There may be other reasons, but we should all first acknowledge that one as opposed to our first instinct being an ulterior motive. |
I'm looking for a reason to why now? I'm in agreement with our first instinct being an ulterior motive. If she's a Republican I lean to it being political. |
Asking "why now?" is fine if you are also asking that question of other women accusing other men. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? |
Maybe because she saw other women feeling like they finally could speak up and she felt the same? There may be other reasons, but we should all first acknowledge that one as opposed to our first instinct being an ulterior motive. |
I'm looking for a reason to why now? I'm in agreement with our first instinct being an ulterior motive. If she's a Republican I lean to it being political. |
Asking "why now?" is fine if you are also asking that question of other women accusing other men. |
No, just Tweener. That happened 11 years ago. Maybe it's as LS posted, she came forward now because other women came forward with accusations.
Do you know if she's a Rep or Dem? Yes my question is centered on ulterior motive. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? |
Maybe because she saw other women feeling like they finally could speak up and she felt the same? There may be other reasons, but we should all first acknowledge that one as opposed to our first instinct being an ulterior motive. |
I'm looking for a reason to why now? I'm in agreement with our first instinct being an ulterior motive. If she's a Republican I lean to it being political. |
Asking "why now?" is fine if you are also asking that question of other women accusing other men. |
No, just Tweener. That happened 11 years ago. Maybe it's as LS posted, she came forward now because other women came forward with accusations.
Do you know if she's a Rep or Dem? Yes my question is centered on ulterior motive. |
Did you look for ulterior motives with any other accusers? _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Jodeke, I just have no desire to engage in answering your question because, frankly, I don't want to enable that being yours or anyone else's first reaction, i.e. to immediately want to find an ulterior motive (even if one also acknowledges, tangentially, that she may be telling the truth as well). We've had enough of that... its what got us here. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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jodeke Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | jodeke wrote: | Does anyone one have any idea as to whether Tweeden is a Dem or Rep? I'm asking looking for the answer to WHY NOW??? |
Maybe because she saw other women feeling like they finally could speak up and she felt the same? There may be other reasons, but we should all first acknowledge that one as opposed to our first instinct being an ulterior motive. |
I'm looking for a reason to why now? I'm in agreement with our first instinct being an ulterior motive. If she's a Republican I lean to it being political. |
Asking "why now?" is fine if you are also asking that question of other women accusing other men. |
No, just Tweener. That happened 11 years ago. Maybe it's as LS posted, she came forward now because other women came forward with accusations.
Do you know if she's a Rep or Dem? Yes my question is centered on ulterior motive. |
Did you look for ulterior motives with any other accusers? |
No, just Tweener. Reason, there are pictures that indicate their sexual touching was consensual. There's a photo of her grabbing his ass. LINK I don't see any other accusers with compromising photos.
Again, do you know if she's a Republican or Democrat? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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You should think about DMR’s question Jodeke. Republicans are looking for ulterior motives against Moore’s accusers, from timing to forged signature |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | Sweeten |
wew lads |
Tweener sounds more like Moore's territory. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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governator wrote: | You should think about DMR’s question Jodeke. Republicans are looking for ulterior motives against Moore’s accusers, from timing to forged signature |
I have and understand his and your point. I'm asking about one individual. I believe Moore, Franken, all accused have disrespected women. I'm asking about Tweeden. I'm suspect of her. Excuse my typos. I find it difficult to think she's doing this to forefront abuse. I lean more toward her promoting her brand. I'm not saying it's true, just a feeling.
Have any other accusers done this or this ? I won't post her Playboy photos. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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The Lebrons wrote: | Lucky_Shot wrote: | ChefLinda wrote: | On this day in 1863: Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg address.
On this day in 2017:
Quote: | Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
Now that the three basketball players are out of China and saved from years in jail, LaVar Ball, the father of LiAngelo, is unaccepting of what I did for his son and that shoplifting is no big deal. I should have left them in jail! |
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I don't have all the facts but if its true LaVar isn't appreciative of Trumps help, I would call him ungrateful.
Outside of politics. If my son was facing those charges and Trump/Hillary helped I would at least thank them |
I can't believe human people with human brains can look at this "situation" and this is their take away. |
There are going to be people who will contort themselves into all kinds of crazy positions in order to attempt to defend Trump . . . I hope they have good orthopedists, because they are going to need them. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | Jodeke, I just have no desire to engage in answering your question because, frankly, I don't want to enable that being yours or anyone else's first reaction, i.e. to immediately want to find an ulterior motive (even if one also acknowledges, tangentially, that she may be telling the truth as well). We've had enough of that... its what got us here. |
It wasn't immediate. I base it on photos you posted, Playboy shoots, time past and gut feeling. Also something no one has answered, is she a Republican?
I think she's promoting her brand. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | Jodeke, I just have no desire to engage in answering your question because, frankly, I don't want to enable that being yours or anyone else's first reaction, i.e. to immediately want to find an ulterior motive (even if one also acknowledges, tangentially, that she may be telling the truth as well). We've had enough of that... its what got us here. |
It wasn't immediate. I base it on photos you posted, Playboy shoots, time past and gut feeling. Also something no one has answered, is she a Republican?
I think she's promoting her brand. |
I've seen your prior posts. That was your thought before I posted anything, which is why I don't care to answer your question nor help you to find any easy out. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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