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Its like Donald Trump hate the planet?
is this a decision also to help big oil.. make solar more expensive?
https://www.seia.org/news/presidents-decision-solar-tariffs-loss-america
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President’s Decision on Solar Tariffs is a Loss for America
Monday, Jan 22 2018
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WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) – the national trade association for the U.S. industry - and its members expressed disappointment in the decision by President Trump to impose 30 percent tariffs on imported solar cells and panels.
The decision effectively will cause the loss of roughly 23,000 American jobs this year, including many in manufacturing, and it will result in the delay or cancellation of billions of dollars in solar investments.
“While tariffs in this case will not create adequate cell or module manufacturing to meet U.S. demand, or keep foreign-owned Suniva and SolarWorld afloat, they will create a crisis in a part of our economy that has been thriving, which will ultimately cost tens of thousands of hard-working, blue-collar Americans their jobs,” said Abigail Ross Hopper, SEIA’s President and CEO.
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| vanexelent wrote: | https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/01/23/kleenex-huggies-maker-cut-up-5-500-jobs-close-10-plants/1057016001/
Didn't they know the GOP gave them huge tax cuts to hire more people? It's as if Walmart and Carrier and AT&T and GE didn't get that memo. |
The timing of this is spot on considering Trump just said he wanted to end people giving birth at 9 months. If that stops, the need for diapers stops. |
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| Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
Sure wish a company that taught peace and human kindness was half as popular as a new iPhone Company
FWIW, Citizens should try to boycott Erdogan from every setting foot on our soil.. his posse beats up citizens who are legally protesting and holding signs.. what a (bleep) up world we helped create...
Scary and thank you for telling me.. i didn't care to know about Nukes and lo and behold for almost 60 years we have had nukes on their soil because of Cuba.. I sure hope someone gets rid of their current leader soon
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Erdogan knows he has the US in a bad spot...
If the US helps the Kurds against Turkey, he has an excuse to evict NATO and the US from the airbase there. The agreement to put US forces there was to keep the USSR in check under his predecessors. Winner in that situation would be Erdogan and Putin.
If the US does nothing to help the Kurds, Turkey gets free reign to wipe out those forces in Syria. Ironically, the Iraqi national government won't protest too much either since they want to keep the Kurds in check to prevent them from splitting off from Iraq and forming their own government.
Erdogan knows he has the US in a lose-lose situation. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
The united states is spending a ridiculous amount of money maintaining our empire. We don't owe any other country our bombs and blood.
Warmongers on both sides of the isle first instinct is always bomb other countries they don't agree with.
We shouldn't have any overseas bases and every time we get involved there is always on unintended consequences.
Instead we should let the other side of the world figure out their own problems while we figure out our own problems |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
The united states is spending a ridiculous amount of money maintaining our empire. We don't owe any other country our bombs and blood.
Warmongers on both sides of the isle first instinct is always bomb other countries they don't agree with.
We shouldn't have any overseas bases and every time we get involved there is always on unintended consequences.
Instead we should let the other side of the world figure out their own problems while we figure out this side of the world's problems |
That sounds pretty easy to do...Unfortunately, things aren't so simple. If the US retreats from world affairs, Russia and China will be eager to pick up where the US has retreated. They will then dictate the terms on trade, alliances, etc. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
The united states is spending a ridiculous amount of money maintaining our empire. We don't owe any other country our bombs and blood.
Warmongers on both sides of the isle first instinct is always bomb other countries they don't agree with.
We shouldn't have any overseas bases and every time we get involved there is always on unintended consequences.
Instead we should let the other side of the world figure out their own problems while we figure out this side of the world's problems |
That sounds pretty easy to do...Unfortunately, things aren't so simple. If the US retreats from world affairs, Russia and China will be eager to pick up where the US has retreated. They will then dictate the terms on trade, alliances, etc. |
That's okay with me let Russian and China go broke financing never ending wars |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
The united states is spending a ridiculous amount of money maintaining our empire. We don't owe any other country our bombs and blood.
Warmongers on both sides of the isle first instinct is always bomb other countries they don't agree with.
We shouldn't have any overseas bases and every time we get involved there is always on unintended consequences.
Instead we should let the other side of the world figure out their own problems while we figure out this side of the world's problems |
That sounds pretty easy to do...Unfortunately, things aren't so simple. If the US retreats from world affairs, Russia and China will be eager to pick up where the US has retreated. They will then dictate the terms on trade, alliances, etc. |
That's okay with me let Russian and China go broke financing never ending wars |
Its not as simple as you think it is....
They are turning former US allies into foes.
They are intent on changing the status quo where the US dollar is undermined. They want to see the US voice be diminished on the international stage. As a major world power, they want the US to be minimized. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
The united states is spending a ridiculous amount of money maintaining our empire. We don't owe any other country our bombs and blood.
Warmongers on both sides of the isle first instinct is always bomb other countries they don't agree with.
We shouldn't have any overseas bases and every time we get involved there is always on unintended consequences.
Instead we should let the other side of the world figure out their own problems while we figure out this side of the world's problems |
That sounds pretty easy to do...Unfortunately, things aren't so simple. If the US retreats from world affairs, Russia and China will be eager to pick up where the US has retreated. They will then dictate the terms on trade, alliances, etc. |
That's okay with me let Russian and China go broke financing never ending wars |
Its not as simple as you think it is....
They are turning former US allies into foes.
They are intent on changing the status quo where the US dollar is undermined. They want to see the US voice be diminished on the international stage. As a major world power, they want the US to be minimized. |
But it is that simple, we don't trade money, bombs and blood for a bigger voice on the international stage its not worth it and will probably bankrupt us
You talk about US allies turning into foes well blow-back does a nice job of that as well |
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
The united states is spending a ridiculous amount of money maintaining our empire. We don't owe any other country our bombs and blood.
Warmongers on both sides of the isle first instinct is always bomb other countries they don't agree with.
We shouldn't have any overseas bases and every time we get involved there is always on unintended consequences.
Instead we should let the other side of the world figure out their own problems while we figure out this side of the world's problems |
That sounds pretty easy to do...Unfortunately, things aren't so simple. If the US retreats from world affairs, Russia and China will be eager to pick up where the US has retreated. They will then dictate the terms on trade, alliances, etc. |
That's okay with me let Russian and China go broke financing never ending wars |
Its not as simple as you think it is....
They are turning former US allies into foes.
They are intent on changing the status quo where the US dollar is undermined. They want to see the US voice be diminished on the international stage. As a major world power, they want the US to be minimized. |
But it is that simple, we don't trade money, bombs and blood for a bigger voice on the international stage its not worth it and will probably bankrupt us
You talk about US allies turning into foes well blow-back does a nice job of that as well |
You assume that every friend turned foe is because of blow back...that isn't the case at all...For example, China has bought the alliances of several US allies like Thailand, Cambodia, and Philippines with money. |
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Isis is the result of blow back hell Saddam was the result of blow back. There are so many examples of blow back.
and for your example all those countries aren't that big of allies with china and:
Trade usually does create allies while war and bombing other countries usually just makes enemies
Not only that there is wide spread opposition to USA drone striking around the world.
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | Isis is the result of blow back hell Saddam was the result of blow back. There are so many examples of blow back.
and for your example all those countries aren't that big of allies with china and:
Trade usually does create allies while war and bombing other countries usually just makes enemies |
Actually, they are becoming bigger allies of China, because they look the other way when it comes to China's international polices. China building on disputed rocks on the South China Sea? We'll supply your military with weapons and help fund infrastructure projects if you look the other way on our expansionism. That is the very epitome of buying a friend.
As far as ISIS goes, the core structure was formed by ousted Baath Party members. Not sure if you know your Iraqi history, but the borders of Iraq weren't formed by its inhabitants, it was dictated by the British mandate. They formed a country out of 3 major sects of a religion who hated each other and the only way to bring peace was putting a dictator in charge.
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| Turkey and Saudi Arabia are US eyes/ears/base/whatever you call it for the middle east. That's why they can get away with stuff. US not gonna abandon that relationship. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | Isis is the result of blow back hell Saddam was the result of blow back. There are so many examples of blow back.
and for your example all those countries aren't that big of allies with china and:
Trade usually does create allies while war and bombing other countries usually just makes enemies |
Actually, they are becoming bigger allies of China, because they look the other way when it comes to China's international polices. China building on disputed bases on the South China Sea? We'll supply your military with weapons and help fund infrastructure projects if you look the other way on our expansionism. That is the very epitome of buying a friend.
As far as ISIS goes, the core structure was formed by ousted Baath Party members. Not sure if you know your Iraqi history, but the borders of Iraq weren't formed by its inhabitants, it was dictated by the British mandate. They formed a country out of 3 major sects of a religion who hated each other and the only way to bring peace was putting a dictator in charge. |
The Philippines are not allies with China. That's why we are building base there that's why we station our solders there. In-fact most of Asia isn't Allies with China. Polls all over Asia favor the US over China
Also Iraq is the perfect example of blow back when you make a bunch of people of different sects be controlled by a dictator there is bound to be consequences
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| Lucky_Shot wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Lucky_Shot wrote: | Isis is the result of blow back hell Saddam was the result of blow back. There are so many examples of blow back.
and for your example all those countries aren't that big of allies with china and:
Trade usually does create allies while war and bombing other countries usually just makes enemies |
Actually, they are becoming bigger allies of China, because they look the other way when it comes to China's international polices. China building on disputed bases on the South China Sea? We'll supply your military with weapons and help fund infrastructure projects if you look the other way on our expansionism. That is the very epitome of buying a friend.
As far as ISIS goes, the core structure was formed by ousted Baath Party members. Not sure if you know your Iraqi history, but the borders of Iraq weren't formed by its inhabitants, it was dictated by the British mandate. They formed a country out of 3 major sects of a religion who hated each other and the only way to bring peace was putting a dictator in charge. |
The Philippines are not allies with China. That's why we are building base there that's why we station our solders there. In-fact most of Asia isn't Allies with China
Also Iraq is the perfect example of blow back when you make a bunch of people of different sects be controlled by a dictator there is bound to be consequences |
https://www.voanews.com/a/philippines-takes-strides-toward-alliance-with-china/3647995.html
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2082090/philippines-duterte-seeks-alliance-china-defence
Well, when Duterte decides to do complete 180 from his predecessor, that is a complete policy change.
Also the OBOR initiative setup by China says otherwise about their relationship with Asia. The smaller Asian countries know they have to play nice or else China will make life very hard for them.
As far as Iraq goes, the US has nothing to do with the formation of the borders of that country. Blame the Brits for that. |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | People saying the Dems lost big here, but this is the only way this could have played out. They can't continue to keep the gov shut down over DACA -- too much of the base (and the general public) sees this as prioritizing the needs of illegal aliens over the needs of Americans (and especially the US Military).
And they know damn well that they weren't going to get CHIP or DACA without a shutdown -- Repubs could have put CHIP for a vote any time in the last several months, but didn't because they wanted to use it as a political tool ("See? We gave them CHIP and they STILL want the gov'mnt shut down!"). And constitutional question notwithstanding, Trump set the deadline on needing to figure out DACA.
Dems can't let the shutdown continue for very long -- everyone will dig in and the tide will turn against them. They also couldn't sign the deal on the table which included CHIP, because DACA would be dead at that point. The only alternative was a CR that comes with a promise to work with the Dems. Do CHIP as a show of good faith and negotiate over DACA. If the deadline passes, then we have another shutdown, but we got CHIP (so the Repubs need a different carrot), and the Dems have a stronger, "Hey, we tried!" case to make. |
Messaging continues to be a problem for the Dems. We continually lose issues we are on the right side of. We didn't defend the ACA, and now we aren't defending DACA.
Nearly 9 out of 10 Americans want DACA recipients to stay. The message is simple.
1) The GOP were the ones refusing to fund the military, like Joshua said.
2) What is our military fighting for if DACA recipients can't stay? Not the will of the people. Or the ideals our country was founded on.
It's so easy for the general public to feign compassion for the small minority of our population in the military (and their family members who are much more likely to join the military as well). But the soldiers are out of sight out of mind to most of Americans most of the time. And politicians use them as pawns for self-serving political gain.
Our soldiers are willing to suffer for our country. And if the American people aren't willing to suffer a shutdown to keep DACA recipients here. They just believe in the ideals of our nation but aren't willing to fight for them like our soldiers do.
Dems should've stood their ground IMO. Not because the polls show a large majority behind them. But because it was the right thing to do. The Dems flaking on an issue like this gives me 0% confidence they'll ever fight for the right thing in tougher situations. When the polls aren't behind them. The lack of conviction the Dems showed is part of the reason why there is voter apathy. Why some think, neither party truly cares about the issues. Which is good for the GOP and bad for the Dems in terms of voter turnout.
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Latin America has long favored countries like Russia. This has gone back decades well before Obama or Trump took power. Look at Venezuela, they buy Russian arms for their military. Cuba is also another example.A lot of it has to do with their commonality with political systems which are completely at odds with the US. China being a country with socialists in power also sees Latin America as a brotherhood in terms of political systems as well. What the socialists in power in China saw was an opportunity to use capitalism to acquire wealth in order to solidify their hold on power and influence in the world and at home. |
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Latin America has long favored countries like Russia. This has gone back decades well before Obama or Trump took power. Look at Venezuela, they buy Russian arms for their military. Cuba is also another example.A lot of it has to do with their commonality with political systems which are completely at odds with the US. China being a country with socialists in power also sees Latin America as a brotherhood in terms of political systems as well. What the socialists in power in China saw was an opportunity to use capitalism to acquire wealth in order to solidify their hold on power and influence in the world and at home. |
If that's true good for them but this really has gone of the rails
My point is that US standing and its image isn't based on our inclination for wars and bombing other countries.
I bet we would have more power if we created a bunch of free trade agreements and weren't ready to stick our nose in other countries's business at the drop of a pin |
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“We’ll see what happens,” Trump said when asked directly about meeting with the special counsel.
Behind the scenes, Trump has told his team of lawyers that he is not worried about being interviewed, because he has done nothing wrong, according to people familiar with his views. His attorneys also support a sit-down, as long as there are clear parameters and topics. |
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jodeke
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Democrats have a tough row to hoe. They want to maintain a cordial approach and debate civilly.(Be Democratic) It's not working. How can they be civil yet get down and dirty the way Republicans do?
This administration has so much obvious dirt, lies and deception. Why don't Democrats exploit these flaws? When will they take the gloves off?
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Goldenwest
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | Is it time for us to bomb Turkey
Go back in time
Kurdish army helped us attack Saddam first gulf war
Smarty Schwarzkopf left iraq and let Saddam take revenge on them with
Helicopters flying through slaughtering them
So again in Syria
We fund Kurds
Tell them we got their back etc
That scumbag NATO Member President of Turkey
Has been using Jets and bombing the Kurds for a few days now
Now he is sending in ground forces to murder women and children if they're Kurdish
Good thing we have only the bestest diplomats
Just weird to see America so disloyal to these people |
Weird? It’s not the first time the US turned it’s back on a people about to be annihilated by Turkey |
What do you think will happen if the US arms the Kurds against Turkey, when the US has a NATO base on Turkish soil, along with nuclear warheads on that base. Turkey knows it has the US in a bad spot. |
Maybe the US should’ve thought of that before they armed the Kurds and used them to fight and eradicate the ISIS threat. Which they did. If the US abandons them now their trust goes further in the toilet. Pretty soon no group will want to do the dirty work for us.
As far as Turkey, they need us more than we need them. They’re the second largest recipient of US funds and weapons in the world. They won’t jeopardize that, but we won’t pull that card either, not for the Kurds. This is a case of us getting what we want: ISIS neutralized and we have a presence in Syria. The Kurds are secondary. |
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Trump keeps saying there was no collusion. I don't think that's Muellers investigative intention. I
think his focus is on obstruction of justice, a impeachable offense.
Will the House impeach, will the Senate convict? Probably not.
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