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when all is said and done the next Democratic President will pardon trump before he goes to jail  |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | when all is said and done the next Democratic President will pardon trump before he goes to jail |
and offer him spot as NSA |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | when all is said and done the next Democratic President will pardon trump before he goes to jail |
and offer him spot as NSA |
nah ... he would have a covfefe trying to pronounce it
I see him in more of the OJ roll  |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Aussiesuede wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://twitter.com/funder/status/998234301169917953
| Quote: | | BREAKING: Republican lobbyist just told me that Trump and his White House are “bracing” for indictments of Americans prob for conspiring against US & fraud. Likely to include Roger Stone, Sam Clovis, and more charges against Paul Manafort. Maybe Kushner and Don Jr. #TrumpColluded |
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Plenty of legal scholars think that pardoning everyone around him would only strengthen the obstruction case. He certainly has the power to pardon, but he can't abuse it.
And if he pardons all his people, that means they can't plead the 5th.
He can't win in the long run with the pardon strategy. |
For a normal President, Pardon Palooza wouldn't even be a question. But based on what we've seen from this miscreant - anything is possible. Over the past few days. Giulani has started calling out "Enemies" at the FBI & DOJ by name. This would seem like a prelude to start firing the top brass so he can install some loyalists that would agree to two things:
a) Stop all furthur probing.
b) Then set up a deal that he'd step down in exchange for immunity deals for himself & most of those he pardons.
He's clearly been shook by the hammer being dropped on Cohen and seems genuinely outraged that the actual facts about some of his financial dealings are likely going to be put out in the light of day. Seems he'd do anything possible to try to put a stop to any furthur investigation into his financial life and the shady characters he's worked with. He's always been someone who saw the law as something that he can just run out the clock on. He clearly doesn't care about what's in the countries best interest, just what's in his best interest.
CNBC said that Mueller told Giulani today that he plans to wrap up the Russia probe by September 1st. If things were still looking like Republicans would lose either the House or Senate by midsummer, then I don't see Trump sticking around for the inevitable Impeachment march that would follow. Based on his exposed vanity, he'd be more likely to step down before the midterms so he could whine incessantly that it was the witchhunt that caused the carnage and absent the witchhunt, the Republicans would have fared better during the midterms if he were still at the helm and the real reason they fared so poorly is because they didn't protect him enough before he got run off. A significant potion of his base would lap up that lie like it was mothers milk, and to maintain some allegiance from his base, Republicans would have incentive to to parrot the narrative he was spewing for their own self interests and bargain that it would potentially help them come 2020.
Obviously all blind speculation at this point, but I don't see a character like Trump allowing furthur probing that would expose facts about his scummy business dealings to proceed any furthur. The guy just doesn't care about the same things normal people care about. So I put nothing past him when it comes to protecting his image.
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | when all is said and done the next Democratic President will pardon trump before he goes to jail |
and offer him spot as NSA |
nah ... he would have a covfefe trying to pronounce it
I see him in more of the OJ roll |
Flying away on his presidential helicopter throwing the indictments out the window and landing on a large Russian military boat off Cuba somewhere never to return again... |
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There are still limits to what a president can do. He's completely screwed. His legal team is only slightly smarter than him.
Mueller aside, and that's a huge concession, I think avenatti is going to make the kill shot. A porn star is going to be the end of this travesty. |
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So its looking like the FBI under Obama put an informant in Trumps campaign who was the one trying to set up Russian connections within the Trump campaign in order to justify the surveillance.
Can you imagine the media's reaction if Trump's FBI put the next democratic presidential nominee under surveillance based in part on information that Trump and the RNC paid for. My god. It would be treated as the biggest scandal in the history of politics.
The narrative from the left about foreign agents and Russian connections is just partisan politics as usual. The left doesnt really care about Russian connections or foreign agents otherwise they would be concerned with Hilary colluding with foreign agent Christopher Steele to influence the election.
They would also be concerned with a Russian corporation with ties to Russian oligarchs giving Bill Clinton half a million dollars for a speech while Hilary was secretary of state.
The left want to accuse others of the very same thing they are guilty of and when you point out their hypocrisy and double standard, you'll get accused of "deflecting"
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | The loudest mouth in america
How to easily explain
| Quote: | | "If the FBI has a mole watching you you are probably guilty of something" |
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So Martin Luther king Jr was guilty of something? |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | https://twitter.com/funder/status/998234301169917953
| Quote: | | BREAKING: Republican lobbyist just told me that Trump and his White House are “bracing” for indictments of Americans prob for conspiring against US & fraud. Likely to include Roger Stone, Sam Clovis, and more charges against Paul Manafort. Maybe Kushner and Don Jr. #TrumpColluded |
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Manafort's charges having nothing to do with colluding with Russia and its over stuff he was doing years before Trump decided to run for president when Manafort had financial ties to Johnathan Podesta.
If Trump pardons a family member, he will be pulling a Bill Clinton who pardoned his brother. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | So its looking like the FBI under Obama put an informant in Trumps campaign who was the one trying to set up Russian connections within the Trump campaign in order to justify the surveillance.
Can you imagine the media's reaction if Trump's FBI put the next democratic presidential nominee under surveillance based in part on information that Trump and the RNC paid for. My god. It would be treated as the biggest scandal in the history of politics.
The narrative from the left about foreign agents and Russian connections is just partisan politics as usual. The left doesnt really care about Russian connections or foreign agents otherwise they would be concerned with Hilary colluding with foreign agent Christopher Steele to influence the election.
They would also be concerned with a Russian corporation with ties to Russian oligarchs giving Bill Clinton half a million dollars for a speech while Hilary was secretary of state.
The left want to accuse others of the very same thing they are guilty of and when you point out their hypocrisy and double standard, you'll get accused of "deflecting" |
So who is the name of the mole, how was he put into the campaign, and when did he make the initial introductions to the Russians (which Russian, which trump person, and when and where)?
Bonus questions: why is an organization that is very right leaning, and people who are lifelong republicans do this? Why did they hide it from the public but then announce the Hillary stuff? And why is the one guy you are backing the guy who has been demonstrably dirty in every step of his career?
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So who is the name of the mole, how was he put into the campaign, and when did he make the initial introductions to the Russians (which Russian, which trump person, and when and where)?
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That is what Trump is saying needs to investigated. And it should be. |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Plenty of legal scholars think that pardoning everyone around him would only strengthen the obstruction case. He certainly has the power to pardon, but he can't abuse it. |
Yeah, it amuses me that whenever I see/hear Dershowitz he steamrolls right over the fact that even though someone has a right, it can be illegal to abuse that right. EG: I have the right of free speech, but it's illegal to use that right to slander someone; I have the right to swing my fists, but it's illegal to use that right to hit you; I have the right to sell stocks, but it's illegal to do that as a result of insider information. Dershowitz keeps talking about Trunp having the (exclusive) right to issue pardons, without contemplating any limits to that right.
| Quote: | And if he pardons all his people, that means they can't plead the 5th.
He can't win in the long run with the pardon strategy. |
Brings up another question I have -- is Trump's proxy's threat that he will plead the 5th in any way compatible with the claim that the president can't be indicted, with impeachment being the only available remedy? |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
So who is the name of the mole, how was he put into the campaign, and when did he make the initial introductions to the Russians (which Russian, which trump person, and when and where)?
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That is what Trump is saying needs to investigated. And it should be. |
So in other words, you’re making a bunch of very large assumptions and accusations while accusing us of hypocrisy? Cool.
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Is it possible, as is usually the case, that someone made some contacts and in the course of doing so, got informed on by someone in the world they were working in? Like say, someone who is among the Russian mafia and oligarch and intelligence nexus (because those three things are often tied together)? Is it possible the mole is embedded with the Russians?
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
So who is the name of the mole, how was he put into the campaign, and when did he make the initial introductions to the Russians (which Russian, which trump person, and when and where)?
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That is what Trump is saying needs to investigated. And it should be. |
So in other words, you’re making a bunch of very large assumptions and accusations while accusing us of hypocrisy? Cool. |
Not too mention that the source of those assumptions and accusations is confirmed, habitual liar.
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| The FBI under Trump should place an informant in the next democratic presidential nominees campaign using evidence that was paid for by Trump and the RNC......... to protect them from possible Russian interference. |
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I just find it odd that the entirety of this claim is based on The NY Times reporting, and the very source of the accusation tells a completely opposite story. I mean, how did the fbi retroactively give trump and everyone around him extensive Russian ties? That’s a busy mole. Why did they bury the trump investigation from the political appointees and downplay the investigation before the election while bringing up the Hillary emails on the eve of the elections if they were after trump? Why are his appointees involved as well? Did the fbi plant them?
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | The FBI under Trump should place an informant in the next democratic presidential nominees campaign using evidence that was paid for by Trump and the RNC......... to protect them from possible Russian interference. |
You’re citing a fact you have already said is not in evidence. But I will say, if the next democratic candidate were to, say, court Russian intelligence and criminal sources and an asset within them reported them to the fbi, that’s ok by me.
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You’re citing a fact you have already said is not in evidence. |
The informant part needs to investigated.
The part of Trump campaigns team being put under surveillance based in part on "evidence" that Hilary and the DNC paid for is a fact. Hilary colluded with foreign agent Christopher Steele to influence the election. |
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President Paranoia is starting to melt down .  |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Is it possible, as is usually the case, that someone made some contacts and in the course of doing so, got informed on by someone in the world they were working in? Like say, someone who is among the Russian mafia and oligarch and intelligence nexus (because those three things are often tied together)? Is it possible the mole is embedded with the Russians? |
This has been my thinking on this; if this is true, then most likely the intelligence asset here is not American but Foreign. The HUMINT source is someone that we have used in the past (and possibly still use) from the Russian side to covertly acquire Intel for our CI purposes. This is why this info is being guarded so heavily in the IC, even from the White House. They don't want this source to be outed (for political reasons) and automatically granted the death penalty at the hands of the FSB. The source most likely reached out to his contact in the IC to let them know that officials associated with the Trump campaign were engaged in activities detrimental to the integrity of the American Presidential election. Our IC at the time was receiving other corroborating indicators that pointed them toward possible conspiratorial activities between officials associated with Trump and Russian interlocutors. The data on this was being collected on multiple fronts and was used to initiate and pursue the investigation. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
You’re citing a fact you have already said is not in evidence. |
The informant part needs to investigated.
The part of Trump campaigns team being put under surveillance based in part on "evidence" that Hilary and the DNC paid for is a fact. Hilary colluded with foreign agent Christopher Steele to influence the election. |
Ok, so here’s what we do know. We know that trump and all his close associates have extensive Russian mob and business connections (and thus intelligence) going back years. We know he hired four guys in manafort, late, Flynn, and papadopuolis who also all have extensive Russian connections, and that he was trying to reach Putin’s people for help with a building in Moscow. We know that the investigation started when one of those people blabbed to a foreign diplomat that he had info on Hillary from the Russians (we also know from the other end that the Russians did have the info and were working with Wikileaks, and through an army of operatives and bots to influence the election for, not against trump), and that diplomat contacted the fbi.
We know the Steele dossier was actually commissioned by republicans and has thus far not had a single assertion disapproved, and many have been proven, and we know the fbi found it later, so that’s a red herring.
We know that in the course of an already started investigation, the fbi used a source (almost certainly one within Russian crime circles) to gather and confirm evidence, which is legal, and that they kept the investigation away from the political people and the public, where it would have done the most damage to Trump.
And of course, we know of the informant from a ny times article which you either haven’t read or are ignoring almost in its entirety to pull out a contextually absent, misrepresented, and deliberately misstimed factoid to make an accusation that goes against the source material you’re drawing it from, and asking us to believe that one “plant” (already a falsehood), planted the whole shebang. It isn’t even possible, much less true.
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One FBI mole is at fault for the:
Flynn Thing
Manafort Thing
Tillerson Thing
Sessions Thing
Kushner Thing
Wray Thing
Morgan, Lewis, & Bockius "Russian Law Firm of the Year" Thing
Carter Page Thing
Roger Stone Thing
Felix Sater Thing
Boris Epshteyn Thing
Rosneft Thing
Gazprom Thing
Sergey Gorkov banker Thing
Azerbaijan Thing
"I Love Putin" Thing
Lavrov Thing
Sergey Kislyak Thing
Oval Office Thing
Gingrich Kislyak Phone Calls Thing
Russian Business Interest Thing
Emoluments Clause Thing
Alex Schnaider Thing
Hack of the DNC Thing
Guccifer 2.0 Thing
Mike Pence "I don't know anything" Thing
Russians Mysteriously Dying Thing
Trump's public request to Russia to hack Hillary's email Thing
Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king Thing
Russian fertilizer king's plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign Thing
Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night Thing
Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery Thing
Cyprus bank Thing
Trump not Releasing his Tax Returns Thing
the Republican Party's rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
Election Hacking Thing
GOP platform change to the Ukraine Thing
Steele Dossier Thing
Sally Yates Can't Testify Thing
Intelligence Community's Investigative Reports Thing
Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all "fake news" Thing
Chaffetz not willing to start an Investigation Thing
Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation Thing
Appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by Trump in the Trump University scandal appointed to head the investigation Thing The White House going into cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and firing of Flynn Thing
Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama Thing
Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything Thing
Agent MI6 following the money thing
Trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway Thing
Let's Fire Comey Thing
Election night Russian trademark gifts Things
Russian diplomatic compound electronic equipment destruction Thing
let's give back the diplomatic compounds back to the Russians Thing
Let's Back Away From Cuba Thing
Donny Jr met with Russians Thing
Donny Jr emails details "Russian Government's support for Trump" Thing
Trump's secret second meeting with his boss Putin Thing
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It’s not surprising that this simple yet wildly impossible fantasy is being pitched by trump and believed by millions. All you have to do is look at the birther conspiracy. Trump has a history of selling ludicrous, transparently false theories that don’t even require more than a modest investigation to disprove, and having them swallowed whole. As he himself said, “I could shoot someone on fifth avenue ...”
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BREAKING NEWS.......Trump Jr received half a million dollars for a speech from the Russians. lol can you imagine the media's reaction if that were true.
Bill Clinton receives half a million dollars from Russians, while Hilary was secretary of state, and there is basically silence on tv news outlets.
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