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Hector the Pup
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
You’re citing a fact you have already said is not in evidence. |
The informant part needs to investigated.
The part of Trump campaigns team being put under surveillance based in part on "evidence" that Hilary and the DNC paid for is a fact. Hilary colluded with foreign agent Christopher Steele to influence the election. |
Ok, so here’s what we do know. We know that trump and all his close associates have extensive Russian mob and business connections (and thus intelligence) going back years. We know he hired four guys in manafort, late, Flynn, and papadopuolis who also all have extensive Russian connections, and that he was trying to reach Putin’s people for help with a building in Moscow. We know that the investigation started when one of those people blabbed to a foreign diplomat that he had info on Hillary from the Russians (we also know from the other end that the Russians did have the info and were working with Wikileaks, and through an army of operatives and bots to influence the election for, not against trump), and that diplomat contacted the fbi.
We know the Steele dossier was actually commissioned by republicans and has thus far not had a single assertion disapproved, and many have been proven, and we know the fbi found it later, so that’s a red herring.
We know that in the course of an already started investigation, the fbi used a source (almost certainly one within Russian crime circles) to gather and confirm evidence, which is legal, and that they kept the investigation away from the political people and the public, where it would have done the most damage to Trump.
And of course, we know of the informant from a ny times article which you either haven’t read or are ignoring almost in its entirety to pull out a contextually absent, misrepresented, and deliberately misstimed factoid to make an accusation that goes against the source material you’re drawing it from, and asking us to believe that one “plant” (already a falsehood), planted the whole shebang. It isn’t even possible, much less true. |
We also know that more than one member of the Trump campaign was already under FBI investigation due to Russian ties before the campaign even started. |
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Why does nobody seem to care that a nation we have LONG considered to be an ENEMY
Helped the president of The United States become elected..
Trump has them focused on the "Witch Hunt" that is actually one of the highest National Security Concerns this nation has and ever will face.
| Quote: | The only media allowed in were photographers from TASS, the Russian state-owned news agency.
What drew suspicion about the absence of American media was the fact that behind closed doors Trump was meeting with not only Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov but also the now infamous Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. You'll remember Kislyak was the man who secretly met with several members of Donald Trump's campaign team including Gen. Michael Flynn who resigned over lying about those meetings. |
Why do US Citizens defend him? |
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We know the Steele dossier was actually commissioned by republicans |
No it wasnt.
The firm that was used to create the dossier was used by Republicans as opposition research.
The actual research and creation of the dossier was started by Hilary and DNC money. They paid foreign agent Christopher Steel for the dossier.
That dossier was used as evidence to justify surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts by the FBI.
Did anyone from Trumps campaign receive half a million dollars from a Russian corporation with ties to Russian oligarchs?
A lot of the other stuff you wrote is factually wrong too. Ill break it down later. |
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Laker4andmore
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Why do US Citizens defend him? |
You are outraged about supposed Russian interfernce but then wanted a candidate who has Russian connections to be president?
Thats really odd.
| Quote: | The only media allowed in were photographers from TASS, the Russian state-owned news agency.
What drew suspicion about the absence of American media was the fact that behind closed doors Trump was meeting with not only Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov but also the now infamous Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. You'll remember Kislyak was the man who secretly met with several members of Donald Trump's campaign team including Gen. Michael Flynn who resigned over lying about those meetings. |
These type of meeting are common at the highest level of federal government.
John Kerry, who is a private citizen and is not a current government official, was seen meeting with Iranian diplomats over the Iran deal. Should he be investigated for having "Iranian connections"?
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
We know the Steele dossier was actually commissioned by republicans |
No it wasnt.
The firm that was used to create the dossier was used by Republicans as opposition research.
The actual research and creation of the dossier was started by Hilary and DNC money. They paid foreign agent Christopher Steel for the dossier.
That dossier was used as evidence to justify surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts by the FBI.
Did anyone from Trumps campaign receive half a million dollars from a Russian corporation with ties to Russian oligarchs?
A lot of the other stuff you wrote is factually wrong too. Ill break it down later. |
Um, again, you have your facts incorrect. The opposition research was begun by the firm while being paid by Republicans supporting other candidates. Hillary's people picked up the tab after Trump became the nominee and the need to find Oppo was moot on the GOP side.
And again, the Dossier was discovered as part of the investigation, not starting it. Again, your entire assertion of a mole is based on the NY times reporting, and you are either completely ignorant of its contents, or willfully so.
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Why do US Citizens defend him? |
You are outraged about supposed Russian interfernce but then wanted a candidate who has Russian connections to be president?
Thats really odd.
| Quote: | The only media allowed in were photographers from TASS, the Russian state-owned news agency.
What drew suspicion about the absence of American media was the fact that behind closed doors Trump was meeting with not only Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov but also the now infamous Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. You'll remember Kislyak was the man who secretly met with several members of Donald Trump's campaign team including Gen. Michael Flynn who resigned over lying about those meetings. |
These type of meeting are common at the highest level of federal government.
John Kerry, who is not a current elected official was seen meeting with Iranian diplomats over the Iran deal. Should he be investigated for having "Iranian connections"? |
It is not common at all for the President to receive both the ambassador and the chief intelligence officer in the US for the Russians in the Oval Office in a meeting where:
1. It was not announced or listed on the schedule
2. Only Russian press was in the meeting.
3. He was without his own translator and Intelligence people for at least part of the meeting.
Especially not when you're being investigated for possibly being involved with them, and they are being accused of disrupting our election.
THis is starting to look like what happens every time we get a Trump supporter coming in. Wild assertions, moving goalposts, easily debunked falsehoods, failure to accept any facts, the works.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
We know the Steele dossier was actually commissioned by republicans |
No it wasnt.
The firm that was used to create the dossier was used by Republicans as opposition research.
The actual research and creation of the dossier was started by Hilary and DNC money. They paid foreign agent Christopher Steel for the dossier.
That dossier was used as evidence to justify surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts by the FBI.
Did anyone from Trumps campaign receive half a million dollars from a Russian corporation with ties to Russian oligarchs?
A lot of the other stuff you wrote is factually wrong too. Ill break it down later. |
Um, again, you have your facts incorrect. The opposition research was begun by the firm while being paid by Republicans supporting other candidates. Hillary's people picked up the tab after Trump became the nominee and the need to find Oppo was moot on the GOP side.
And again, the Dossier was discovered as part of the investigation, not starting it. Again, your entire assertion of a mole is based on the NY times reporting, and you are either completely ignorant of its contents, or willfully so. |
What you are saying goes against sworn testimony.
Im going by the sworn testimony done in committee hearings which is what I watch.
The firm that was used for the dossier was used by Republicans (the rhino Bush status quo republicans who desperately didnt want an outsider to be president and either didnt support a candidate or supported Hilary). FACT
The dossier was started by Hilary and DNC money. FACT
They paid foreign agent Christopher Steele for the dossier. FACT
That dossier was used as evidence to justify surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts by the FBI. FACT
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ContagiousInspiration
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Why do US Citizens defend him? |
You are outraged about supposed Russian interfernce but then wanted a candidate who has Russian connections to be president?
Thats really odd.
| Quote: | The only media allowed in were photographers from TASS, the Russian state-owned news agency.
What drew suspicion about the absence of American media was the fact that behind closed doors Trump was meeting with not only Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov but also the now infamous Ambassador Sergei Kislyak. You'll remember Kislyak was the man who secretly met with several members of Donald Trump's campaign team including Gen. Michael Flynn who resigned over lying about those meetings. |
These type of meeting are common at the highest level of federal government.
John Kerry, who is a private citizen and is not a current government official, was seen meeting with Iranian diplomats over the Iran deal. Should he be investigated for having "Iranian connections"? |
Weird (bleep) you try to get people to believe
Talk like a Russian bot
Why would you care who funded research that PROVES TRUE
AND PROTECTS AMERICA |
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| Let's assume for the moment that Obama's FBI/DOJ planted an informant in the Trump campaign for political reasons. If the Trump team was doing nothing wrong, then there'd be nothing to find and/or report. However, they found a ton of evidence and continue to uncover more through the Special Counsel's investigation. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: |
We know the Steele dossier was actually commissioned by republicans |
No it wasnt.
The firm that was used to create the dossier was used by Republicans as opposition research.
The actual research and creation of the dossier was started by Hilary and DNC money. They paid foreign agent Christopher Steel for the dossier.
That dossier was used as evidence to justify surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts by the FBI.
Did anyone from Trumps campaign receive half a million dollars from a Russian corporation with ties to Russian oligarchs?
A lot of the other stuff you wrote is factually wrong too. Ill break it down later. |
Um, again, you have your facts incorrect. The opposition research was begun by the firm while being paid by Republicans supporting other candidates. Hillary's people picked up the tab after Trump became the nominee and the need to find Oppo was moot on the GOP side.
And again, the Dossier was discovered as part of the investigation, not starting it. Again, your entire assertion of a mole is based on the NY times reporting, and you are either completely ignorant of its contents, or willfully so. |
What you are saying goes against sworn testimony.
Im going by the sworn testimony done in committee hearings which is what I watch.
The firm that was used for the dossier was used by Republicans (the rhino Bush status quo republicans who desperately didnt want an outsider to be president and either didnt support a candidate or supported Hilary). FACT
The dossier was started by Hilary and DNC money. FACT
They paid foreign agent Christopher Steele for the dossier. FACT
That dossier was used as evidence to justify surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts by the FBI. FACT |
Sincerely
Unplug the internet
Serious serious psychosis
Republicans
Republicans
Republicans
Distrusted your President
They STARTED the opposition research. Not even opposition. His own party distrusted him so much they sought to investigate him
Derp
Steele dossier didn't trigger the investigation |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Steele dossier didn't trigger the investigation |
yeah some drunk guys comments about Russia possibly having dirt on Hilary (which Im sure isnt hard to get) triggered it supposedly.
Really solid evidence there.  |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Steele dossier didn't trigger the investigation |
yeah some drunk guys comments about Russia possibly having dirt on Hilary (which Im sure isnt hard to get) triggered it supposedly.
Really solid evidence there. |
Even more solid is Trump Publicly asking Russia for the hacked emails |
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| Heartburn wrote: | | Let's assume for the moment that Obama's FBI/DOJ planted an informant in the Trump campaign for political reasons. If the Trump team was doing nothing wrong, then there'd be nothing to find and/or report. However, they found a ton of evidence and continue to uncover more through the Special Counsel's investigation. |
Party before country here comrade
Protect Trump before America |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Even more solid is Trump Publicly asking Russia for the hacked emails |
lol He was trolling Hilary.
Not the hacked emails, he was asking Russia for the 33,000 deleted emails. lol
Well they were deleted and Hilarys team used bleachbit to prevent their recovery.
Im wondering how its not obstruction of justice for your team to delete potential evidence after you are told you are under investigation.
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| Quote: | Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone
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Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Even more solid is Trump Publicly asking Russia for the hacked emails |
lol He was trolling Hilary.
Not the hacked emails, he was asking Russia for the 33,000 deleted emails. lol
Well they were deleted and Hilarys team used bleachbit to prevent their recovery.
Im wondering how its not obstruction of justice for your team to delete potential evidence after you are told you are under investigation. |
Would be wonderful if that was our only concern
Racist Tyrant funded by the loons of America
Russia
Qatar
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Raped Americans medical insurance
Stole billions in taxes etc
$500,000 to Paul Ryan for raping Americans wallets and giving it to corporations
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You are aware that the Clinton Foundation has received millions from Russia Qatar and China right? |
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Trumps been in office LINK I don't have the number of days he's been investigated. Seems like since day 1.
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
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You are aware that the Clinton Foundation has received millions from Russia Qatar and China right? |
Mass psychosis
Also investigated and the foundation is one if the highest rated there is |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone
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Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don
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I'm sure he was drunk typing so this doesn't matter
Really solid evidence there comrade |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone
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Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don
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I'm sure he was drunk typing so this doesn't matter
Really solid evidence there comrade |
How is that any different than Hilary meeting and paying a foreign agent to get dirt on Trump?
Well I guess the difference is that Hilary actually paid money. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.
What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?
I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.
Best
Rob Goldstone
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Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don
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I'm sure he was drunk typing so this doesn't matter
Really solid evidence there comrade |
How is that any different than Hilary meeting and paying a foreign agent to get dirt on Trump?
Well I guess the difference is that Hilary actually paid money. |
Ignoring the fact that the US for the past century has shared information with our British allies. And ignoring the fact that the information didn't come from the government (since Steele is a private contractor). And ignoring the fact that Russia (and not Britain) hired hackers to spread a massive disinformation campaign to affect our election. And ignoring the fact that Trump, Trump Jr. Flynn, Stone, and Manafort have all lied about their Russian government contacts. There is also this
| Quote: | “The truth is that they [Democrats] are covering up that Hillary Clinton colluded with the Russians to get dirt on Trump to feed it to the FBI to open up an investigation into the other campaign.”
—Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, in an interview on the Hugh Hewitt Show, Feb. 7, 2018
Finally, there is no evidence that Clinton was involved in Steele’s reports or worked with Russian entities to feed information to Steele. That’s where Nunes’s claim goes off the rails — and why he earns Four Pinocchios. |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/02/09/did-hillary-clinton-collude-with-the-russians-to-get-dirt-on-trump-to-feed-it-to-the-fbi/
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For the record. There is nothing wrong with hiring a private company to gather opposition research during a campaign.
But there is something wrong asking for dirt on a political opponent from a foreign government.
And if you do receive unsolicited information from an unknown source the proper response is contacting the FBI. Like Gore did in 2000.
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