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| Lakers#1Team wrote: | Found some prescient words from Aldous Huxley in his "Brave New World Revisited" written in 1958 (a follow up of his 1932 dystopian novel). I know Trump doesn't read but his campaign tactics match Huxley's description of another figure from the past (from the chapter titled, "Propaganda Under a Dictatorship"):
| Aldous Huxley in 1958 wrote: | | Hitler made his strongest appeal to those members of the lower middle classes who had been ruined by the inflation of 1923, and then ruined all over again by the depression of 1929 and the following years. "The masses" of whom he speaks were these bewildered, frustrated and chronically anxious millions. To make them more mass-like, more homogeneously subhuman, he assembled them, by the thousands and the tens of thousands, in vast halls and arenas, where individuals could lose their personal identity, even their elementary humanity, and be merged with the crowd. A man or woman makes direct contact with society in two ways: as a member of some familial, professional or religious group, or as a member of a crowd. Groups are capable of being as moral or intelligent as the individuals who form them; a crowd is chaotic, has no purpose of its own and is capable of anything except intelligent action and realistic thinking. Assembled in a crowd, people lose their powers of reasoning and their capacity for moral choice. Their suggestibility is increased to the point where they cease to have any judgment or will of their own. They become very excitable, they lose all sense of individual or collective responsibility, they are subject to sudden accesses of rage, enthusiasm and panic. In a word, a man in a crowd behaves as though he had swallowed a large dose of some powerful intoxicant. He is a victim of what I have called "herd-poisoning." Like alcohol, herd-poison is an active, extraverted drug. The crowd-intoxicated individual escapes from responsibility, intelligence and morality into a kind of frantic, animal mindlessness. |
This might explain a few things... |
And Trump has managed to instill that crowd mentality in his followers (and I use "followers" instead of "supporters" because the Trumpies are really just cult followers, as is demonstrated by their mindless commitment to the cause at their own expense) to the point that even when they are sitting at home, that crowd mentality still dictates their behavior. Rather than think for themselves, they just vapidly parrot the Trump/Fox News talking points and ignore the obvious facts and what is clearly happening before their eyes.
It's what leads to the behavior demonstrated by our friend Laker4 - a rabid commitment to falsities, "yeah, but . . ."s and staggering depths of denial in regards to the corrupt and evil way that Trump is dismantling the ethics, values and fabric of this country. One has to be either truly stupid and ignorant to miss it, or you are evil and corrupt yourself.
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| Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
well they did elect a man who claims global warming is a chinese hoax |
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
well they did elect a man who claims global warming is a chinese hoax |
It goes much further back than that.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
well they did elect a man who claims global warming is a chinese hoax |
It goes much further back than that. |
Yeah. The turn towards this excessive allegiance to to mindset that truth is nothing more than a pesky impediment on the road to achieving goals really started to take hold about 1993, grew at a steady rate over the next decade, and then the mushroom cloud that engulfed the entire party resulting in the adoption of the platform that not only is truth an impediment, it's unnecessary - occured about 2002. Fast forward to today and not only is the truth unnecessary, there are actually alternate truths, and since truth no longer matters, alternate truths can shift on a moments notice and aren't beholden to the laws of logic. So you know what's coming in 2020? Yep - Alternate logic. By 2024 they'll just start serving it up directly without any hint of subtlety. They'll just deliver daily talking points directly via text to their deciples with strict instructions not to deviate from the script when regurgitating and the sect will obey without question.
Gotta admit. The indoctrination has been pretty impressive.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Fair enough. I don't feel like running in circles with someone who says one thing, then changes it, then denies it, then moves the goalposts, denies facts, creates alternative facts, and actually utters the phrase "fake news" (which, btw, was actually created to describe the right wing media and Trump) to things that are points of record. You are going to believe what you believe, and there's nothing we could show you or say to you that would change it. |
You coulda just shortened that to "Republican." |
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| Aussiesuede wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
well they did elect a man who claims global warming is a chinese hoax |
It goes much further back than that. |
Yeah. The turn towards this excessive allegiance to to mindset that truth is nothing more than a pesky impediment on the road to achieving goals really started to take hold about 1993, grew at a steady rate over the next decade, and then the mushroom cloud that engulfed the entire party resulting in the adoption of the platform that not only is truth an impediment, it's unnecessary - occured about 2002. Fast forward to today and not only is the truth unnecessary, there are actually alternate truths, and since truth no longer matters, alternate truths can shift on a moments notice and aren't beholden to the laws of logic. So you know what's coming in 2020? Yep - Alternate logic. By 2024 they'll just start serving it up directly without any hint of subtlety. They'll just deliver daily talking points directly via text to their deciples with strict instructions not to deviate from the script when regurgitating and the sect will obey without question.
Gotta admit. The indoctrination has been pretty impressive. |
It's an all out gaslighting now...I was thinking about James Watt...it really goes back to at least 81
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| Like George Costanza said "its not a lie if you believe it." |
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
The southern strategy. When they decided they were going to try and protect one thing (white, rich, hetero patriarchy and empire) and pretend it was something else. That was the moment they began to diverge message from truth in a significant way. The concept of a dog whistle is to say something and have the desired audience hear something else. Trump is just the logical extension. Nothing he stands for is outside their core values. Truth has never been one.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | Exactly when did the Republicans stop dealing in facts? |
The southern strategy. When they decided they were going to try and protect one thing (white, rich, hetero patriarchy and empire) and pretend it was something else. That was the moment they began to diverge message from truth in a significant way. The concept of a dog whistle is to say something and have the desired audience hear something else. Trump is just the logical extension. Nothing he stands for is outside their core values. Truth has never been one. |
this sums it up nicely |
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Politically, he’s right. People of all types will deny facts that go against their feelings. If you are cynical enough to exploit that, you can lie to people and even publicly admit you’re a liar, without consequence with your target audience. Humans are not logical, linear thinkers.
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| Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Like George Costanza said "its not a lie if you believe it." |
So you gonna tell me Festivus isn't a real thing?
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Like George Costanza said "its not a lie if you believe it." |
So you gonna tell me Festivus isn't a real thing? |
You can complain about it during the airing of grievances.
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It wasnt the FBI under Trump who put a presidential candidate teams under surveillance based in part on information that paid for by the rival campaign.
It was the FBI under Obama that did that.
Trump is more than perfectly justfied in not being a fan of Comey's FBI considering what they did.
Used opposition research that was paid for by Hilary and the DNC as evidence to justify the surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts and then Comey called the dossier unverified and salacious under oath in committee hearings. Unreal.
Again, I can only imagine what the medias reaction would be if the FBI under Trump put the democratic presidential nominee under surveillance in FISA courts using evidence that was paid for by Trump and the RNC.
My guess is the media would treat it as a pretty big scandal. lol |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | It wasnt the FBI under Trump who put a presidential candidate teams under surveillance based in part on information that paid for by the rival campaign.
It was the FBI under Obama that did that.
Trump is more than perfectly justfied in not being a fan of Comey's FBI considering what they did.
Used opposition research that was paid for by Hilary and the DNC as evidence to justify the surveillance of Trumps campaign team in FISA courts and then Comey called the dossier unverified and salacious under oath in committee hearings. Unreal.
Again, I can only imagine what the medias reaction would be if the FBI under Trump put the democratic presidential nominee under surveillance in FISA courts using evidence that was paid for by Trump and the RNC.
My guess is the media would treat it as a pretty big scandal. lol |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Freddie Buckets wrote: | | Like George Costanza said "its not a lie if you believe it." |
So you gonna tell me Festivus isn't a real thing? |
This made me literally LOL. 
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Chritopher Steele would have to register as a foreign agent in the United States because he worked for a foreign government as a spook for 22 years.
Hilary colluded with a foreign agent to influence the election by paying him for dirt on Trump.
The Russian lawyer at the Trump Jr meeting has never worked for a foreign governments CIA for 22 years for example.
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^ straight from the fox echo chamber 
it's about what's in the dossier not who paid
the alt-right is obsessed with Hillary
DJTj met with the Israelis too
never going to throw the the DOJ off the scent...never gaslight away
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ^ straight from the fox echo chamber |
I dont watch fox news and Im not a Republican. |
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| VicXLakers wrote: |
it's about what's in the dossier not who paid
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Its about who paid for it and whats in it.
Comey under oath called it salacious and unverified.
Committee hearing meetings is the closet thing to the truth you are going to get in this world because its people talking under oath. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: |
it's about what's in the dossier not who paid
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Its about who paid for it and whats in it.
Comey under oath called it salacious and unverified.
Committee hearing meetings is the closet thing to the truth you are going to get in this world because its people talking under oath. |
That's enough. You've made your point. Repeating your allegations (a word I use I word to be kind) over and over waiting for the reaction you want is not what this thread is about. Move on or go away.
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Fair enough. I don't feel like running in circles with someone who says one thing, then changes it, then denies it, then moves the goalposts, denies facts, creates alternative facts, and actually utters the phrase "fake news" (which, btw, was actually created to describe the right wing media and Trump) to things that are points of record. You are going to believe what you believe, and there's nothing we could show you or say to you that would change it. |
You coulda just shortened that to "Republican." |
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https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/02/09/trumps-plan-reissue-drug-testing-rule-000642
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| Quote: | | The GOP rolled the rule back using an obscure 1996 law called the Congressional Review Act, which allows Congress to repeal recently issued regulations with a simple majority vote. Previously used only once, back in 2001, it became a favorite tool of the Trump GOP, which used it early last year to kill no fewer than 14 late-term Obama rules without a single Democratic vote. |
| Quote: | But there’s a catch, and Trump’s proposed new drug-testing policy may trigger it.
Under the Congressional Review Act, agencies actually can't just re-issue new rules to replace the repealed ones. The law prohibits them from reissuing a rule that is “substantially the same” as the one that Congress repealed. Republicans have generally celebrated this feature of the law, saying they were permanently wiping away regulations that could never be reinstated. (In fact, according to a recent Axios report, Trump officials considered a bizarre plan to issue a batch of ultra-liberal regulations just so the GOP Congress would immediately repeal them, blocking a future Democratic administration from issuing real ones.) |
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very satisfying watching the republicans cut all their ties to the DOJ and the FBI...should serve them well in the future  |
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| Quote: | | Lesley Stahl asked Trump in semi-private meeting why he’s always attacking the press. His answer: “I want to demean you and discredit you so that when you do negative stories about me, no one will believe you.” @deadlineclub #deadlineawards |
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