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jodeke Retired Number
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 67314 Location: In a world where admitting to not knowing something is considered a great way to learn.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | In other words, you have no idea what I’m talking about, but intend to argue anyway. |
Nope. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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Laker4andmore Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attack the other sides strong points by focusing on their strong points. Focus on the economy and job growth and border/national security. Stop with the Russia Stormy Daniels, mysogymy, white supremacy stuff.
That isnt going to get you votes from the 63 million people who voted for Trump.
Branch away from the Clintons. Sanders would have been a better candidate for you guys even though his socialism wouldnt have gone over well in rural America.
If Chelsea gets into politics and gains power within the DNC, you guys are screwed.
Biden is your best bet.
Holder has to much baggage with fast and furious and the right will be able to use that against him. |
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slavavov Star Player
Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 8288 Location: Santa Monica
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Laker4andmore wrote: | Attack the other sides strong points by focusing on their strong points. Focus on the economy and job growth and border/national security. Stop with the Russia Stormy Daniels, mysogymy, white supremacy stuff.
That isnt going to get you votes from the 63 million people who voted for Trump.
Branch away from the Clintons. Sanders would have been a better candidate for you guys even though his socialism wouldnt have gone over well in rural America.
If Chelsea gets into politics and gains power within the DNC, you guys are screwed.
Biden is your best bet.
Holder has to much baggage with fast and furious and the right will be able to use that against him. |
Bernie Sanders could've gotten enough votes in rural America, especially in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan. Most of his campaign was based on economic issues. Many of the "socialist" things he advocates - like single payer health care, increased taxes on the wealthy, etc can be sold to middle America if presented to them in a way to speaks to the "faith and family" crowd. With their dissatisfaction with establishment politics and income inequality, getting this done isn't as hard as some make it out to be. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers |
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Laker4andmore Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:35 am Post subject: |
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ChefLinda wrote: | I call BS on someone who claims to be a Libertarian and yet has defended Trump over and over again. Do Libertarians believe the President and the government should be corrupt? Offer bribes and take bribes? Use their government position to make money? Is that part of a free market?
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Im not a Libertarian.
No I dont believe any of that stuff should be happening.
Thats one of the reasons I didnt vote for Hilary.
And there is no such thing as free market when a central bank exists. |
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governator Franchise Player
Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 24996
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Laker4andmore wrote: | Attack the other sides strong points by focusing on their strong points. Focus on the economy and job growth and border/national security. Stop with the Russia Stormy Daniels, mysogymy, white supremacy stuff.
That isnt going to get you votes from the 63 million people who voted for Trump.
Branch away from the Clintons. Sanders would have been a better candidate for you guys even though his socialism wouldnt have gone over well in rural America.
If Chelsea gets into politics and gains power within the DNC, you guys are screwed.
Biden is your best bet.
Holder has to much baggage with fast and furious and the right will be able to use that against him. |
63 millions was actually less than 50% of total votes |
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ChefLinda Moderator
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 24113 Location: Boston
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:49 am Post subject: |
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If you ever wondered how ordinary citizens were inculcated into supporting a heinous regime like the Third Reich, you are watching it happen in real time with real people. The rest of us are stuck watching in horror at the slow-motion catastrophe unfolding before our eyes, waving our arms but feeling helpless to stop the madness. November can't come soon enough. It's only a small first step, but it will be something. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:55 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | Laker4andmore wrote: | Attack the other sides strong points by focusing on their strong points. Focus on the economy and job growth and border/national security. Stop with the Russia Stormy Daniels, mysogymy, white supremacy stuff.
That isnt going to get you votes from the 63 million people who voted for Trump.
Branch away from the Clintons. Sanders would have been a better candidate for you guys even though his socialism wouldnt have gone over well in rural America.
If Chelsea gets into politics and gains power within the DNC, you guys are screwed.
Biden is your best bet.
Holder has to much baggage with fast and furious and the right will be able to use that against him. |
63 millions was actually less than 50% of total votes |
And the Dems don't need to pull from those votes anyway. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:56 am Post subject: |
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ChefLinda wrote: | If you ever wondered how ordinary citizens were inculcated into supporting a heinous regime like the Third Reich, you are watching it happen in real time with real people. The rest of us are stuck watching in horror at the slow-motion catastrophe unfolding before our eyes, waving our arms but feeling helpless to stop the madness. November can't come soon enough. It's only a small first step, but it will be something. |
And right here in this very thread. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 11823
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:13 am Post subject: |
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president paranoia melting down again today
@realDonaldTrump
35m35 minutes ago
WITCH HUNT! |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Laker4andmore wrote: | Attack the other sides strong points by focusing on their strong points. Focus on the economy and job growth and border/national security. Stop with the Russia Stormy Daniels, mysogymy, white supremacy stuff.
That isnt going to get you votes from the 63 million people who voted for Trump.
Branch away from the Clintons. Sanders would have been a better candidate for you guys even though his socialism wouldnt have gone over well in rural America.
If Chelsea gets into politics and gains power within the DNC, you guys are screwed.
Biden is your best bet.
Holder has to much baggage with fast and furious and the right will be able to use that against him. |
Yeah. Job growth.
As for economic growth, that's a really funny one, considering that the regulations that saved Wall Street and the banking industry after they caused the last crash were removed yesterday and many economists say that another crash is inevitable. |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 13811 Location: Boulder ;)
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:07 am Post subject: |
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A legitimate "American" President would be Thanking the FBI for trying to protect his campaign and the citizens of the US from foreign interference.
I remember way back in college how it seemed like American citizens were just something Frat boys continued to abuse by becoming politicians.
Our politicians and Trump himself are barely even "Citizens".. Most all well off financially and only there to increase their own wealth.. Where is the wealth of self respect? |
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VicXLakers Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:13 am Post subject: |
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serious question...where is this deep state and how do I join or am I already a member? |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Just saw the trailer for the new HBO documentary about John McCain and I am truly unprepared for the revisionist way this man will be perceived as he reaches the end. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:45 am Post subject: |
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VicXLakers wrote: | serious question...where is this deep state and how do I join or am I already a member? |
the first question is
who did you vote for?
now you know if you are part of the deep state.. where facts/law/education rule
do not confuse this with the Derp State
Maybe Democrats need to resort to just straight up lying? Works for Republicans
https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-Obama-lie-during-his-presidency |
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Lakers#1Team Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:48 am Post subject: |
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VicXLakers wrote: | serious question...where is this deep state and how do I join or am I already a member? |
I was curious too. I looked it up on Wikipedia:
Wikipedia - Deep State in the United States wrote: | In the United States the term "deep state" is used within political science to describe influential decision-making bodies believed to be within government who are relatively permanent and whose policies and long-term plans are unaffected by changing administrations. The term is often used in a critical sense, vis-à-vis, the general electorate to refer to the lack of influence popular democracy has on these institutions and the decisions they make as a shadow government. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States
So, I suppose the non-elected civil servants would be a big part of this. The idea is that the Deep State are bureaucrats not elected by "We the People" who remain in their positions for multiple presidencies and have their own agenda independent of the elected politicians or the will of the people. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 8:55 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Just saw the trailer for the new HBO documentary about John McCain and I am truly unprepared for the revisionist way this man will be perceived as he reaches the end. |
I have a deep and abiding respect for pre-2000 John McCain, but unlike the North Vietnamese, the GOP broke him during that run, and the occasional act of decency (the woman who called obama not an American), or help for the wrong reasons (he wanted to grandstand about regular order with the Obamacare vote) don’t make up for the fact that he’s often talked one way and then gone along (the shameful Supreme Court justice affair), and that he’s supported a ton of really bad stuff. Crotchety and sometimes unpredictable sold as deeply principled. I wish him no suffering, and honor his horrific time in Vietnam, but as with W, he’s not our buddy. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Just saw the trailer for the new HBO documentary about John McCain and I am truly unprepared for the revisionist way this man will be perceived as he reaches the end. |
I have a deep and abiding respect for pre-2000 John McCain, but unlike the North Vietnamese, the GOP broke him during that run, and the occasional act of decency (the woman who called obama not an American), or help for the wrong reasons (he wanted to grandstand about regular order with the Obamacare vote) don’t make up for the fact that he’s often talked one way and then gone along (the shameful Supreme Court justice affair), and that he’s supported a ton of really bad stuff. Crotchety and sometimes unpredictable sold as deeply principled. I wish him no suffering, and honor his horrific time in Vietnam, but as with W, he’s not our buddy. |
I respect the courage he showed during his internment. He suffered unspeakable horrors, and to his credit opposed torture throughout his career. And yet, I can't help but feel as if he would definitely support torture if he hadnt personally experienced it. Mainly because there never was an issue John McCain didn't think could be solved with bombs and military force. He has his fingerprints all over just about every horrible political decision of the last few decades. The lore surrounding him (Maverick, champion of civility, straight talker) is almost entirely fantasy. I wish just once when people laud the moment he told the woman Obama wasn't an Arab (how low the bar has been set for political courage) they reminded everyone that moment happened because he injected Sarah Palin into the bloodstream of his party and she was whipping his crowds into a nationalist frenzy. He was as destructive a politician as I've seen in my lifetime. One of the corrosive elements of our politics is that when people leave office or pass away, just about everyone gets lionized no matter how much damage they did (watching George W Bush transform into cuddly ol' kitten painter is particularly chilling). I hope when McCain's time comes and his career is reflected upon there is some room amongst the fawning to remember who he really was and what he really did. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:20 am Post subject: |
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In many ways, theres no trump presidency without Sarah Palin. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | In many ways, theres no trump presidency without Sarah Palin. |
I don’t think there’s any question. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Sarah Palin was the mainstreaming of open ignorant xenophobia in a major party. And it turned out, while they lost, she was the star the base loved. After all the years of code and dog whistles, Sarah brought her people out of the wilderness, and trump was watching. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Laker4andmore Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Hilary is more compromised than Trump with foreign influences. |
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Laker4andmore Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: | Laker4andmore wrote: | Attack the other sides strong points by focusing on their strong points. Focus on the economy and job growth and border/national security. Stop with the Russia Stormy Daniels, mysogymy, white supremacy stuff.
That isnt going to get you votes from the 63 million people who voted for Trump.
Branch away from the Clintons. Sanders would have been a better candidate for you guys even though his socialism wouldnt have gone over well in rural America.
If Chelsea gets into politics and gains power within the DNC, you guys are screwed.
Biden is your best bet.
Holder has to much baggage with fast and furious and the right will be able to use that against him. |
Yeah. Job growth.
As for economic growth, that's a really funny one, considering that the regulations that saved Wall Street and the banking industry after they caused the last crash were removed yesterday and many economists say that another crash is inevitable. |
The focus there should be on the central banksters.
They have much more day to day power over the economy than the President does. No matter who it is.
Hilary is more compromised with foreign influences and the central banksters than Trump. |
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Laker4andmore Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Just saw the trailer for the new HBO documentary about John McCain and I am truly unprepared for the revisionist way this man will be perceived as he reaches the end. |
Songbird McCain has never met a foreign conflict he didnt want to get involved in or a foreign terrorist he didnt want to fund. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Hey, the guys you support just relaxed regulations on the banks. And everyone else with a checkbook, and their Russian pals. But hey, glad we didn’t let the woman who gave speeches to Wall Street in. She was running around getting all kinds of foreign governments to hack and not their way through our electorate. Oh wait, that was the other guy. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Laker4andmore Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | She was running around getting all kinds of foreign governments to hack and not their way through our electorate. Oh wait, that was the other guy. |
What are you talking about?
Be specific.
It was Hilary who paid a foreign agent to get dirt on Trump in order to win an election.
Trump didnt do that. |
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