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| Omar Little wrote: | | Yeah, Sarah Palin was the mainstreaming of open ignorant xenophobia in a major party. And it turned out, while they lost, she was the star the base loved. After all the years of code and dog whistles, Sarah brought her people out of the wilderness, and trump was watching. |
And it was mainstreamed because John McCain threw his reputation and political capital behind her. We can argue it would have emerged anyway, but it was always going to require the rank and file to play ball and he was the one that volunteered. It's not exaggeration to consider that our politics may never recover. I hope people realize this when he is fawned over as a pillar of civility and courage in politics.
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| Quote: | Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, received a secret payment of at least $400,000 (£300,000) to fix talks between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, according to sources in Kiev close to those involved.
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The meeting at the White House was last June. Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort |
All this to make it look like Ukraine had 'talks' with the trump.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44215656 |
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | She was running around getting all kinds of foreign governments to hack and not their way through our electorate. Oh wait, that was the other guy. |
What are you talking about?
Be specific.
It was Hilary who paid a foreign agent to get dirt on Trump in order to win an election.
Trump didnt do that. |
For someone who says they don't watch Fox News you are great at parroting every one of their talking points. And every single one of them is either wildly inaccurate, an outright lie or purposeful propaganda. We've posted pages and pages of articles detailing the evidence for Trump world's misdeeds. If you choose to cling to the alternate version of reality that is completely made-up (bleep), that's your right. But don't expect the rest of us to do your homework for you when you will keep your head stuck firmly in the sand no matter what.
I'm with LS on his assessment of your contribution to this thread. |
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Laker4andmore
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| It was certain elements of the left wing that have pushed conspiracy theories that Trump is an anti semite, that Trump was literally the next Hitler, that the stock market was going to collapse if Trump is elected, that Trump was going to fire Mueller before Christmas, that Trump was going to lead a a group of business men in a fascist coup take over of the government (heard that one on NPR) |
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Laker4andmore
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| Huskers wrote: | according to sources in Kiev close to those involved.
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: |
it's about what's in the dossier not who paid
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Its about who paid for it and whats in it.
Comey under oath called it salacious and unverified.
Committee hearing meetings is the closet thing to the truth you are going to get in this world because its people talking under oath. |
That's enough. You've made your point. Repeating your allegations (a word I use I word to be kind) over and over waiting for the reaction you want is not what this thread is about. Move on or go away. |
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Laker4andmore
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| Omar Little wrote: | | But hey, glad we didn’t let the woman who gave speeches to Wall Street in. . |
Not speeches. Payment for speeches.
Bill Clinton was raking in millions.
While Hilary was Secretary of State.
The DNC needs to branch away from the Clintons. |
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if trump wants transparency he should release his tax returns for the last 20 years . 
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Laker4andmore
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | if trump wants transparency he should release his tax returns for the last 20 years . |
Rachel Maddow revealed that Trump paid over 30 million in taxes in one year. |
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | if trump wants transparency he should release his tax returns for the last 20 years . |
Rachel Maddow revealed that Trump paid over 30 million in taxes in one year. |
She got 2 pages of a 4 year old return.
There have been a couple of small things since then that might warrant a look at more current and more detailed returns. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | But hey, glad we didn’t let the woman who gave speeches to Wall Street in. . |
Not speeches. Payment for speeches.
Bill Clinton was raking in millions.
While Hilary was Secretary of State.
The DNC needs to branch away from the Clintons. |
cost them the White House. |
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Laker4andmore
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| Laker4andmore wrote: |
Not speeches. Payment for speeches.
Bill Clinton was raking in millions.
While Hilary was Secretary of State.
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Millions in foreign money.
The Clintons are compromised.
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yet another victim of Hillary's emails...
the victim president is the victim's president |
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| Huskers wrote: | | Quote: | Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, received a secret payment of at least $400,000 (£300,000) to fix talks between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, according to sources in Kiev close to those involved.
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The meeting at the White House was last June. Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort |
All this to make it look like Ukraine had 'talks' with the trump.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44215656 |
Stopped their investigation.. hmmm
From what ive read he was responsible for demonstrators and protestors being shot and killed...
http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-daughter-text-messages-ukraine-2017-3
| Quote: | "Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."
"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered." |
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Laker4andmore
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | yet another victim of Hillary's emails... t |
The issue with "Hilary's emails" was that people who had no security clearance (like her IT person) had access to classified information because of Hilarys actions.
That is a big deal.
That can be a national security issue. |
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| Seriously, where is the ignore button? The obtuse responses are grating. |
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What happen to the right to peacefully protest? That's a 1st amendment right. Are owners stepping on that right? Regulating the amendment?
| Quote: | Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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I don't like the flag being the vehicle for protest though the protest been falsely represented as being disrespectful to the flag and military.
New NFL Anthem Rule: Players Must Stand or Stay in Locker Room
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After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.
It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite. |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | yet another victim of Hillary's emails... t |
The issue with "Hilary's emails" was that people who had no security clearance (like her IT person) had access to classified information because of Hilarys actions.
That is a big deal.
That can be a national security issue. |
We welcome dissenting and opposing views in this thread, but we do not welcome trolls or those intent on spreading false information. We're also not going to re-litigate narratives in here that are false and not fact-based. However, this is all you seem to want to do.
Accordingly, if you intend on contributing to this thread by only regurgitating the same disproven talking points again and again, you will be suspended from here on out. If you want to keep contributing to this thread (but want to avoid a suspension) then, from now on, where you have an accusation to make or "fact" to share, link us to a legitimate website that backs the information you rely on to form your opinion. If it is a conspiracy website or real "fake news" which you link us to, that will come with consequences in the form of a suspension. While the mods do not hold every person in this thread to this specified standard, this is what we require of you to (1) ensure that you make an informed contribution to this thread (rather than just spreading propaganda) and (2) ensure you are not trolling us. Your own posts in this thread have warranted this approach. Again, if you cannot live up to this standard, you should avoid this thread. Otherwise, if you keep posting while defying this standard, you will be suspended.
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| jodeke wrote: | What happen to the right to peacefully protest? That's a 1st amendment right. Are owners stepping on that right? Regulating the amendment?
| Quote: | Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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I don't like the flag being the vehicle for protest though the protest been falsely represented as being disrespectful to the flag and military.
New NFL Anthem Rule: Players Must Stand or Stay in Locker Room
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| Quote: | If anyone still thinks NFL players who took a knee during the anthem were trying to disrespect the country, flag, or military, they’re willfully ignorant or lying. Colin Kaepernick, the former 49ers quarterback who sparked the protests two summers ago, has spoken often about his intention, which is to “stand up for people that are oppressed.” His former teammate Eric Reid, who joined Kaepernick in kneeling and, like Kaepernick, has sued the NFL for blackballing him, explained in the New York Times last year that they knelt specifically because it wasn’t disrespectful.
After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.
It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite. |
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I feel like maybe the biggest reason the NFL did this was to protect their sponsors, who are run by rich conservative white men who don't like the idea of black athletes peacefully protesting racial injustice. It almost reminds me of when Stern passed the NBA's dress code, which could have been for the same reason.
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| My opinion is that the player protests have less to do with the flag and more to do with the players union of the NFL.....which is one of the weakest in pro sports. You don't see these type of protests in the NBA because those players are better compensated by the league. This probably has more to do with labor than it does to do with the flag. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | My opinion is that the player protests have less to do with the flag and more to do with the players union of the NFL.....which is one of the weakest in pro sports. You don't see these type of protests in the NBA because those players are better compensated by the league. This probably has more to do with labor than it does to do with the flag. |
No, it was to do with death of black individuals in the hands of police |
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| governator wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | My opinion is that the player protests have less to do with the flag and more to do with the players union of the NFL.....which is one of the weakest in pro sports. You don't see these type of protests in the NBA because those players are better compensated by the league. This probably has more to do with labor than it does to do with the flag. |
No, it was to do with death of black individuals in the hands of police |
So why doesn't the NBA have similar protests? That league has a larger percentage of black players than the NFL.
The fact is that this has galvanized the players union in the NFL and shown they have a stronger voice if they all came together. Thats why the owners have been baffled about how to stop it. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | My opinion is that the player protests have less to do with the flag and more to do with the players union of the NFL.....which is one of the weakest in pro sports. You don't see these type of protests in the NBA because those players are better compensated by the league. This probably has more to do with labor than it does to do with the flag. |
No, it was to do with death of black individuals in the hands of police |
So why doesn't the NBA have similar protests? That league has a larger percentage of black players than the NFL.
The fact is that this has galvanized the players union in the NFL and shown they have a stronger voice if they all came together. Thats why the owners have been baffled about how to stop it. |
C'mon man
NBA Players Unite to Protest Police Shooting
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| jodeke wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | My opinion is that the player protests have less to do with the flag and more to do with the players union of the NFL.....which is one of the weakest in pro sports. You don't see these type of protests in the NBA because those players are better compensated by the league. This probably has more to do with labor than it does to do with the flag. |
No, it was to do with death of black individuals in the hands of police |
So why doesn't the NBA have similar protests? That league has a larger percentage of black players than the NFL.
The fact is that this has galvanized the players union in the NFL and shown they have a stronger voice if they all came together. Thats why the owners have been baffled about how to stop it. |
C'mon man
NBA Players Unite to Protest Police Shooting
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The NBA protests aren't anywhere close to the degree of the NFL ones. You might see them wearing a t-shirt for a cause for a couple of games then it basically disappears. What I see with the NBA is that the players are working behind the scenes in the community. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | My opinion is that the player protests have less to do with the flag and more to do with the players union of the NFL.....which is one of the weakest in pro sports. You don't see these type of protests in the NBA because those players are better compensated by the league. This probably has more to do with labor than it does to do with the flag. |
No, it was to do with death of black individuals in the hands of police |
So why doesn't the NBA have similar protests? That league has a larger percentage of black players than the NFL.
The fact is that this has galvanized the players union in the NFL and shown they have a stronger voice if they all came together. Thats why the owners have been baffled about how to stop it. |
C'mon man
NBA Players Unite to Protest Police Shooting
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The NBA protests aren't anywhere close to the degree of the NFL ones. You might see them wearing a t-shirt for a cause for a couple of games then it basically disappears. What I see with the NBA is that the players are working behind the scenes in the community. |
You've moved the goal posts. | Quote: | | So why doesn't the NBA have similar protests? |
First it was similar now it's degree.
Are you sure they're not working behind the scenes or is that your guess?
In the NBA, players laud their freedom to hold court on social issues
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