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ContagiousInspiration
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Hacked by the Russians
Why did the Russians Hack Hillary and not Trump
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They tried to hack Trump and the RNC.
RNC and Trump had better security than Podesta. |
And you believe that? |
Like I said, the Russian campaign was about division more than about supporting one campaign
The Russians supported black lives matters and anti Trump rallies when he won |
Supported?
http://www.newsweek.com/russian-meddling-university-missouri-protests-808153
You know you need psychological help, right? You cannot understand what "facts" are?
Divisiveness that got Trump elected?
I highly doubt you are mentally challenged just gullible and the type that needs a leader
Why did SO MANY Trump people factually meet with Russians who offered to HELP Trump win?
Why? Why why
Talk about nation's that deserve to be called terrorist regimed. Russia shot down a loaded Malaysian airlines passenger plane filled with innocent people. Yet YOU SUPPORT Trump's desire to work with these people? Yes? |
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Guys. He’s clearly not here to discuss the issue (hint: when you ask a specific question and they answer by going to another “point”), he’s here to yank your chain. If he won’t engage you in anything resembling a legit discussion, better to not engage at all.
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Hacked by the Russians
Why did the Russians Hack Hillary and not Trump
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They tried to hack Trump and the RNC.
RNC and Trump had better security than Podesta. |
And you believe that? |
Like I said, the Russian campaign was about division more than about supporting one campaign
The Russians supported black lives matters and anti Trump rallies when he won |
This might help! |
can't argue with the fox echo chamber...they don't realize there is a real world...please don't feed the troll |
I'm not feeding a troll. I'm trying to help someone who I think may be delusional.
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Omar Little
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| jodeke wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Hacked by the Russians
Why did the Russians Hack Hillary and not Trump
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They tried to hack Trump and the RNC.
RNC and Trump had better security than Podesta. |
And you believe that? |
Like I said, the Russian campaign was about division more than about supporting one campaign
The Russians supported black lives matters and anti Trump rallies when he won |
This might help! |
can't argue with the fox echo chamber...they don't realize there is a real world...please don't feed the troll |
I'm not feeding a troll. I'm trying to help someone who I think may be delusional. |
Although it may be intuitive to do so, you don’t help a delusional person by pointing out the delusion. If you could do that, they wouldn’t be delusional.
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ChefLinda
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Hacked by the Russians
Why did the Russians Hack Hillary and not Trump
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They tried to hack Trump and the RNC.
RNC and Trump had better security than Podesta. |
Where's your link to any news article stating that this is a fact? |
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ChefLinda
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Laker4andmore wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: |
Hacked by the Russians
Why did the Russians Hack Hillary and not Trump
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They tried to hack Trump and the RNC.
RNC and Trump had better security than Podesta. |
And you believe that? |
Like I said, the Russian campaign was about division more than about supporting one campaign
The Russians supported black lives matters and anti Trump rallies when he won |
Wrong. The CIA, FBI, Homeland Security and every other US intelligence agency concluded the Russian influence campaign was to elect Trump. We've posted tons of articles posted saying as much. Where is the link to a current article that backs your assertion?
LS suspended you for this stuff and specifically warned that upon your return you needed to back up your assertions with links to articles. If you keep regurgitating fantasy world talking points with no supporting evidence, be prepared for the consequences.
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Omar Little
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Actually, there were reports they hacked trump and the GOP too (and as you can see from what’s already leaked out from other channels, trump and associates were not secure at all), they just didn’t use it (or any info on Bernie). But again, this is not meant to be for a discussion. It’s meant to get you riled up.
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ChefLinda
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Actually, there were reports they hacked trump and the GOP too (and as you can see from what’s already leaked out from other channels, trump and associates were not secure at all), they just didn’t use it (or any info on Bernie). But again, this is not meant to be for a discussion. It’s meant to get you riled up. |
I personally assumed since the Russians aren't dummies that they hacked everyone and are probably blackmailing some current politicians. But that's just my theory and I don't have any proof to back it up. |
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Yeah, there’s questions about how guys like Nunes and Gowdy and Ryan and McConnell are behaving well beyond partisanship or fear of the base.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Yeah, there’s questions about how guys like Nunes and Gowdy and Ryan and McConnell are behaving well beyond partisanship or fear of the base. |
FWIW, there are more than a few Democrats out there staying awfully quiet about it all too. Hard to know whether that is by design (i.e. leadership wanting only a few faces out there), because they reside in more conservative districts or states or because of something nefarious.
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Laker4andmore, you violated my warning by not citing to a source in support of you contentions. You are either going to educate yourself or one of us, or you are not going to post in this thread. I suspended you for a week. Next suspension will be two and so on until you get the message.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Yeah, there’s questions about how guys like Nunes and Gowdy and Ryan and McConnell are behaving well beyond partisanship or fear of the base. |
FWIW, there are more than a few Democrats out there staying awfully quiet about it all too. Hard to know whether that is by design (i.e. leadership wanting only a few faces out there), because they reside in more conservative districts or states or because of something nefarious. |
True. I would also be interested in Ms. stein’s connections.
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| Laker4andmore wrote: | Listening to Clapper talk about Spygate has been very entertaining.
Some points to take away from what he has been saying.
1. There was no spy in the Trump campaign.
2, It would be a national security issue to reveal the name of the spy who doesnt exist.
3. The spy, who doesnt exist, was only spying on the Trump campaign to protect them from the Russians.
The technicality that Clapper and Comey are arguing is that the spy was spying on the Russians and not the Trump campaign. To protect the Trump campaign. So how come Hilarys campaign didnt get a spy too. You know to protect them. After all Podesta got hacked by the Russians right? |
Just to correct the record in case other people read the above and are confused about it (not expecting Laker4andmore to respond since he is on suspension):
1. Correct, there was no spy in the Trump campaign.
2. Intelligence agencies do use human intelligence assets to collect information (they are not spies, they are regular people with other jobs who may come into contact with people who are subjects of investigations). Revealing their identities could put them in danger and compromise our ability to gather intelligence in the future. In this particular case the man was a professor.
3. Your sentence makes no sense. Russians were trying to recruit people in the Trump campaign with offers to help Trump by handing over dirt on Clinton. When the FBI became aware of this they began surveillance to see what was going on. One of the things they did was to contact individuals who were acquainted with Trump's people (in this case the professor knew George P.) in an attempt to discern the truth. One can assume the reason a person would agree to pass on what they knew is because they were concerned that Russia was trying to illegally influence a U.S. election.
The FBI realized they had been a little too public in how they released information about the Clinton email investigation. Normally, the FBI does not acknowledge or comment on ongoing investigations. They decided to keep the Trump-Russia investigation private during the election. Since they didn't apply the same standard to the Clinton campaign, this had the effect of helping or "protecting" Trump and hurting Clinton.
The FBI did not need a "spy" for the Clinton investigation because she cooperated fully and turned over all relevant information. She also wasn't colluding with a foreign government and didnt have half her senior campaign staff attending multiple unreported secret meetings with Russian officials.
Here's a great thread by Attorney and Professor Seth Abramson laying it all out step by step on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1000782870900822016
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Omar Little
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A great response to the “worse than watergate”, “spy in the candidates camp” allegations is simply, if it is so heinous that the fbi would look into a candidate, why were they looking at Hillary? Why “lock her up”, yet don’t look at him?
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As Seth Abramson said in his thread, it would have been a *bigger* scandal if the FBI had *not* investigated the Trump campaign after becoming aware they were meeting with Russian officials/spies during the campaign and that the Russians were offering to help them win the election.
Duh. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | As Seth Abramson said in his thread, it would have been a *bigger* scandal if the FBI had *not* investigated the Trump campaign after becoming aware they were meeting with Russian officials/spies during the campaign and that the Russians were offering to help them win the election.
Duh. |
It is so odd how Headlines make the story
If FBI would've just come out and said
"Russians made attempts to become part of Trumps campaign. We were watching these Russians. This is Standard Operating Procedure"
Why does Mr Trump not want the FBI to protect America? |
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| They told him what was happening when it was happening. It was in the freaking press. |
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| Quote: | Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election
Republicans also said by a 56-point margin that voter fraud is a more widespread problem than eligible voters being prevented from voting.
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This is why political discourse is in the crapper. We can't even agree about the facts anymore.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election
Republicans also said by a 56-point margin that voter fraud is a more widespread problem than eligible voters being prevented from voting.
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This is why political discourse is in the crapper. We can't even agree about the facts anymore. |
I would rather find out 1000 people voted illegally than to find out 1 honest citizen was prevented from voting. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election
Republicans also said by a 56-point margin that voter fraud is a more widespread problem than eligible voters being prevented from voting.
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This is why political discourse is in the crapper. We can't even agree about the facts anymore. |
More than that many Republicans thought (maybe still think) Obama was a secret Muslim and a foreign-born illegal president (Trump played that racist birther drum right into the presidential nomination). They also believed that Saddam's Iraq was partially behind 9/11.
One party is more susceptible to disinformation than the other. |
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And here's another scary study (and we've been talking about how it's not just Trump that's the problem, it's the people who support him and why they support him - well here you go):
The Trump effect: New study connects white American intolerance and support for authoritarianism
| Quote: | Since the founding of the United States, politicians and pundits have warned that partisanship is a danger to democracy. George Washington, in his Farewell Address, worried that political parties, or factions, could "allow cunning, ambitious and unprincipled men" to rise to power and subvert democracy. More recently, many political observers are concerned that increasing political polarization on left and right makes compromise impossible, and leads to the destruction of democratic norms and institutions.
A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology. Political scientists Steven V. Miller of Clemson and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M have released a working paper titled "White Outgroup Intolerance and Declining Support for American Democracy." Their study finds a correlation between white American's intolerance, and support for authoritarian rule. In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy. |
| Quote: | In practice, the GOP has increasingly been embracing a politics of white resentment tied to disenfranchisement. "Since Richard Nixon's ‘Southern Strategy,’ the GOP has pigeon-holed itself as, in large part, an aggrieved white people's party," Miller told me.
Trump's nativist language made the GOP's sympathies more explicit, leading to further erosion of support among non-white voters. George W. Bush won 35 percent of Hispanic voters in 2000; Trump won only 28 percent. His showing with Asian-American voters was only 27 percent — worse than any winning presidential candidate on record. |
| Quote: | | Blaming authoritarianism on partisanship suggests that both sides are equally to blame for the erosion of democratic norms. But greater commitment to abortion rights and free healthcare in the Democratic party isn't a threat to the foundations of democracy. The growing concentration of intolerant white voters in the GOP, on the other hand, has created a party which appears less and less committed to the democratic project. When faced with a choice between bigotry and democracy, too many Americans are embracing the first while abandoning the second. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Quote: | Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election
Republicans also said by a 56-point margin that voter fraud is a more widespread problem than eligible voters being prevented from voting.
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This is why political discourse is in the crapper. We can't even agree about the facts anymore. |
More than that many Republicans thought (maybe still think) Obama was a secret Muslim and a foreign-born illegal president (Trump played that racist birther drum right into the presidential nomination). They also believed that Saddam's Iraq was partially behind 9/11.
One party is more susceptible to disinformation than the other. |
Fwiw, a 56 point margin means 78% believe that (assuming they aren’t counting “no opinions), Not that 56% do.
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