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Story about the other guy in the room with Kavanugh and Ford. The guy has written extensively about how they used to party so hard they'd black out. Kavanaugh self-described himself as the "Treasurer of the 100 Kegs" Club. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | The Thief wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
I am not sure what exactly the claim is....are you suggesting there is a large segment of the population that is doing worse in the current economy than they were 2,4,or 6 years ago? If your complaint is that in a booming economy, the rich benefit more on a net dollar basis.....then I am not sure how you would remedy that, or why you feel it needs remedied at all. The Rich will always gain more on a net dollar basis in a growing economy.
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The way you gush over our economy where 80% of workers are living paycheck to paycheck.
It kinda makes me sick. |
You could also attribute that to people spending money of items that they just don't need or just general mismanagement of money. I don't think that number means 80% of people that are buying the essentials only are living paycheck to paycheck. That symptom is not just a symptom of the poor. I know people that have a healthy income but just don't do any type of financial planning. |
I can't even take your post seriously. Especially the bolded. It's borderline offensive. |
It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
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It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
I never really understood the avocado toast issue. A loaf of bread and 1 avocado costs maybe $2 total and that's for the entire loaf of bread. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | The Thief wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
I am not sure what exactly the claim is....are you suggesting there is a large segment of the population that is doing worse in the current economy than they were 2,4,or 6 years ago? If your complaint is that in a booming economy, the rich benefit more on a net dollar basis.....then I am not sure how you would remedy that, or why you feel it needs remedied at all. The Rich will always gain more on a net dollar basis in a growing economy.
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The way you gush over our economy where 80% of workers are living paycheck to paycheck.
It kinda makes me sick. |
You could also attribute that to people spending money of items that they just don't need or just general mismanagement of money. I don't think that number means 80% of people that are buying the essentials only are living paycheck to paycheck. That symptom is not just a symptom of the poor. I know people that have a healthy income but just don't do any type of financial planning. |
Do you really consider this economy a success when 80% of workers live paycheck to paycheck?
Unemployment is down. Underemployment and working poor numbers are up. |
- When was the last time in America the majority of workers did not work pay check to pay check?
- Underemployment and working poor numbers are up from when?
I get the game...I have probably been guilty of playing it in the past....it is imperfect, so it must not be good, but that is not how we have ever evaluated the economy as it relates to our political leaders. They are judged on what the economy was when they took office, to where it is now....along with relevant caveats. There is simply no data that I am aware of that suggests any material segment of the population is performing poorer financially today than they were in 2016, 2012, or 2008. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | MIT Sloan School of Management study claims twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed
| Quote: | There are roughly twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed, according to a sweeping new study by MIT Sloan School of Management's Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, a Senior Lecturer in the Operations Research and Statistics group, and his colleagues, Edward Kaplan and Jonathan Feinstein, both from Yale School of Management.
The study, which is published today in PLOS ONE, estimates that there are about 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.; the most prominent current estimate is 11.3 million. Even using parameters intentionally aimed at producing a conservative estimate, the study finds a population of 16.7 million undocumented immigrants. |
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I guess this means that "undocumented's" are involved in approximately half the crime, as a percentage, than previously thought? |
Assume you would need to do some research or perform a study for that answer. I do not know the answer, but I would bet on the simplistic correlation you suggest would not prove accurate.....but again, I do not know the answer. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | MIT Sloan School of Management study claims twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed
| Quote: | There are roughly twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed, according to a sweeping new study by MIT Sloan School of Management's Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, a Senior Lecturer in the Operations Research and Statistics group, and his colleagues, Edward Kaplan and Jonathan Feinstein, both from Yale School of Management.
The study, which is published today in PLOS ONE, estimates that there are about 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.; the most prominent current estimate is 11.3 million. Even using parameters intentionally aimed at producing a conservative estimate, the study finds a population of 16.7 million undocumented immigrants. |
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I guess this means that "undocumented's" are involved in approximately half the crime, as a percentage, than previously thought? |
Assume you would need to do some research or perform a study for that answer. I do not know the answer, but I would bet on the simplistic correlation you suggest would not prove accurate.....but again, I do not know the answer. |
The number of crimes committed by "undocumented's" did not change; only the pool of people changed.
Let's try it this way: Let's say we have a population believed to be 100 people and based on what we know, 10 of them are left handed. We later learn that it was really 200 people. The percentage went from 10% to 5% due to the previously thought erroneous assumption.
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| adkindo wrote: | | There is simply no data that I am aware of that suggests any material segment of the population is performing poorer financially today than they were in 2016, 2012, or 2008. |
Have you heard of Puerto Rico before?
Inflation is destroying any chance of real wages increasing.
| Quote: | Real wages are essentially flat in the past year
As inflation increases it puts a damper on wages. While average hourly earnings have increased from $26.34 per hour to $27.05, or 2.7% over the past year, inflation at 2.9% has actually lead to real wages falling a small amount from $10.78 per hour a year ago to $10.76 in July this year. |
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/08/11/trumps-economic-scorecard-higher-inflation-flat-wages-and-a-ballooning-federal-deficit/#62d6601022fa
| Quote: | | Rising prices have erased U.S. workers’ meager wage gains, the latest sign strong economic growth has not translated into greater prosperity for the middle and working classes. |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/10/america-wage-growth-is-getting-wiped-out-entirely-by-inflation/?utm_term=.cbaffd394083
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| kikanga wrote: | | The Thief wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
I am not sure what exactly the claim is....are you suggesting there is a large segment of the population that is doing worse in the current economy than they were 2,4,or 6 years ago? If your complaint is that in a booming economy, the rich benefit more on a net dollar basis.....then I am not sure how you would remedy that, or why you feel it needs remedied at all. The Rich will always gain more on a net dollar basis in a growing economy.
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The way you gush over our economy where 80% of workers are living paycheck to paycheck.
It kinda makes me sick. |
You could also attribute that to people spending money of items that they just don't need or just general mismanagement of money. I don't think that number means 80% of people that are buying the essentials only are living paycheck to paycheck. That symptom is not just a symptom of the poor. I know people that have a healthy income but just don't do any type of financial planning. |
I can't even take your post seriously. Especially the bolded. It's borderline offensive. |
Yes because a proper budget could never help people get out of the paycheck to paycheck trap...gasp |
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To add (notice the growth from 2014, Qtr 2 to 2017, Qtr 2, about when the leader of the Republican Party took over--though without any real input until the tax cuts that started in 2018, Jan--and then since):
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?id=LES1252881600Q,
What is it you (adkindo) are so excited about?
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
I never really understood the avocado toast issue. A loaf of bread and 1 avocado costs maybe $2 total and that's for the entire loaf of bread. |
Really? Are you buying day old bread and half a avocado?
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
I never really understood the avocado toast issue. A loaf of bread and 1 avocado costs maybe $2 total and that's for the entire loaf of bread. |
You see an avocado is a very fancy fruit that is only enjoyed by the coastal elites and the materialistic younger generation. No bootstraps working man would fork over the vast fortune that each one costs and be so nonchalant about the luxury of even having one available as to spread it on toast and eat it like it was common apple. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
I never really understood the avocado toast issue. A loaf of bread and 1 avocado costs maybe $2 total and that's for the entire loaf of bread. |
You see an avocado is a very fancy fruit that is only enjoyed by the coastal elites and the materialistic younger generation. No bootstraps working man would fork over the vast fortune that each one costs and be so nonchalant about the luxury of even having one available as to spread it on toast and eat it like it was common apple. |
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| ribeye wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | MIT Sloan School of Management study claims twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed
| Quote: | There are roughly twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed, according to a sweeping new study by MIT Sloan School of Management's Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, a Senior Lecturer in the Operations Research and Statistics group, and his colleagues, Edward Kaplan and Jonathan Feinstein, both from Yale School of Management.
The study, which is published today in PLOS ONE, estimates that there are about 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.; the most prominent current estimate is 11.3 million. Even using parameters intentionally aimed at producing a conservative estimate, the study finds a population of 16.7 million undocumented immigrants. |
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I guess this means that "undocumented's" are involved in approximately half the crime, as a percentage, than previously thought? |
Assume you would need to do some research or perform a study for that answer. I do not know the answer, but I would bet on the simplistic correlation you suggest would not prove accurate.....but again, I do not know the answer. |
The number of crimes committed by "undocumented's" did not change; only the pool of people changed.
Let's try it this way: Let's say we have a population believed to be 100 people and based on what we know, 10 of them are left handed. We later learn that it was really 200 people. The percentage went from 10% to 5% due to the previously thought erroneous assumption. |
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| The Thief wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | adkindo wrote: |
I am not sure what exactly the claim is....are you suggesting there is a large segment of the population that is doing worse in the current economy than they were 2,4,or 6 years ago? If your complaint is that in a booming economy, the rich benefit more on a net dollar basis.....then I am not sure how you would remedy that, or why you feel it needs remedied at all. The Rich will always gain more on a net dollar basis in a growing economy.
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The way you gush over our economy where 80% of workers are living paycheck to paycheck.
It kinda makes me sick. |
You could also attribute that to people spending money of items that they just don't need or just general mismanagement of money. I don't think that number means 80% of people that are buying the essentials only are living paycheck to paycheck. That symptom is not just a symptom of the poor. I know people that have a healthy income but just don't do any type of financial planning. |
Poor people spend 60% of their paychecks on necesseties, middle class families are about an even split between necessities and luxury goods, while the wealthy spend 65% of their incomes on luxury goods.
We are a nation of debtors, as food, healthcare, education, and transportation costs have risen while wages have stagnated - not to mention a decade of near zero interest rates - Americans have been incentivized to spend and borrow.
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| jodeke wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
I never really understood the avocado toast issue. A loaf of bread and 1 avocado costs maybe $2 total and that's for the entire loaf of bread. |
Really? Are you buying day old bread and half a avocado? |
How much do you think a loaf of bread costs? Cheaper brands, like Wonder Bread are $1.88. Natures Own is just under $3. Smaller avocados are about $.60, larger ones can be had for $1. All fresh. |
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| adkindo wrote: | MIT Sloan School of Management study claims twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed
| Quote: | There are roughly twice as many undocumented immigrants in the U.S. as commonly believed, according to a sweeping new study by MIT Sloan School of Management's Mohammad Fazel-Zarandi, a Senior Lecturer in the Operations Research and Statistics group, and his colleagues, Edward Kaplan and Jonathan Feinstein, both from Yale School of Management.
The study, which is published today in PLOS ONE, estimates that there are about 22.1 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S.; the most prominent current estimate is 11.3 million. Even using parameters intentionally aimed at producing a conservative estimate, the study finds a population of 16.7 million undocumented immigrants. |
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Interesting. I wonder if she would pursue this.
| Quote: | | BREAKING: Montgomery MD PD Chief Tom Manger confirms will investigate sexual allegations against Brett Kavanaugh if a complaint is filed. @CNN @ChrisCuomo |
https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1043306079713734657
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Since the weekend is coming up and this thread is mostly populated by lefties both centrist and progressive, I was wondering what bold policy reforms the LG politicos would push for under a Democratic presidency with House and Senate majorities.
To start off:
1) Statehood for Puerto Rico and D.C.
2) Pack SCOTUS - push for up to 13 (15?) seats, let the GOP freak out, and then try to fix the number of SCOTUS seats via constitutional amendment.
Anyone else?
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| vanexelent wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: |
It's the old 'avocado toast and iphone over health care' spiel that some tone deaf republican struck out with over a year ago. |
I never really understood the avocado toast issue. A loaf of bread and 1 avocado costs maybe $2 total and that's for the entire loaf of bread. |
Really? Are you buying day old bread and half a avocado? |
How much do you think a loaf of bread costs? Cheaper brands, like Wonder Bread are $1.88. Natures Own is just under $3. Smaller avocados are about $.60, larger ones can be had for $1. All fresh. |
Boston area - cheapest loaf of whole wheat bread: $2.50 to $3.99
Regular avocado - $1.50 to $2.00
Items only cheaper if on sale or in bulk |
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Grassley grants Kavanaugh accuser another extension.....  |
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| adkindo wrote: | | Grassley grants Kavanaugh accuser another extension..... |
Attacking a possible victim is not a pretty look.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Since the weekend is coming up and this thread is mostly populated by lefties both centrist and progressive, I was wondering what bold policy reforms the LG politicos would push for under a Democratic presidency with House and Senate majorities.
To start off:
1) Statehood for Puerto Rico and D.C.
2) Pack SCOTUS - push for up to 13 (15?) seats, let the GOP freak out, and then try to fix the number of SCOTUS seats via constitutional amendment.
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Why is that a "bold policy reform".....the previous two administrations (Bush/Obama) supported Puerto Rico's choice to become a state or remain a territory. I do think if it happens, it will be an extremely difficult transition for residents of Puerto Rico beyond the very large segment of the population who are very opposed to becoming state; being forced to operate as a state and pay federal income taxes. That being said, I do think in the long run, it would be in PR's best interest to obtain statehood.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Grassley grants Kavanaugh accuser another extension..... |
Attacking a possible victim is not a pretty look. |
who attacked someone? where did this attack take place? |
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| adkindo wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | Grassley grants Kavanaugh accuser another extension..... |
Attacking a possible victim is not a pretty look. |
who attacked someone? where did this attack take place? |
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