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| Omar Little wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Well ocho, are you pleased? We got one! |
 I wasn't asking for THIS one. |
This is as good as it gets my friend. The only three options are switch, hide, all in. |
I have a dream that one day this thread can have a reasonable conservative that is not a party lapdog and I will continue to dream. |
If it helps, I was raised a conservative, and as I began to question the beliefs I was taught, I too sought a reasonable person to explain them to me in a reasonable, logical, factual way. Still looking. |
My bar is fairly low. I don't need to agree with them. I'll take someone with values of their own (Not bestowed by a political party) that is willing to think for themselves instead of cheerlead for their team. It's not that much to ask. We have our own cheerleaders in here, and that is unfortunate, but much of the discussions here are blue people bucking up against their party. It's not hard to do.
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A step in the right direction, but a LONG way from the true justice of a lengthy prison term. |
It's a start. Even a year ago, she would have been on paid administrative leave. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | The new Kavanaugh accuser's claim is very similar to Ford's accusation, and not in a way to promote credibility.
The alleged event happened 35 years ago....
| Quote: | The accuser, Deborah Ramirez, admits in The New Yorker’s piece that there were “significant gaps” in her memories about the event.
--“She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident.”
--“Ramirez acknowledged that there are significant gaps in her memories of the evening…” |
Claiming up front that memory could be impaired could be a strategy to diminish the likelihood of any future perjury charges.
| Quote: | By The New Yorker’s own admission, Ramirez was reluctant to speak with certainty on the allegation.
--“In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty.”
It took six days of “assessing her memories” for Ramirez to say she recalled Kavanaugh committing the alleged incident, and that came only after consulting with an attorney provided by the Democrats.
--“After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections…”
--“Senate aides from Ramirez’s home state of Colorado alerted a lawyer, Stanley Garnett, a former Democratic district attorney in Boulder, who currently represents her.” |
The Democrats were nice enough to find her good representation, who also happens to be a long time Democratic politician. Also, at first she was "reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty", but after six days of "carefully assessing her memories" and consulting with her Democratic attorney, it mostly came back to her. 
| Quote: | The New Yorker admits it has not confirmed through eyewitnesses Kavanaugh was even present at the party and other students who knew Kavanaugh said they never heard of the incident.
--“The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party.”
--“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved in the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events…”
--“We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place.”
--“Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale. We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not.”
Further, those classmates said that the allegations in the story would be completely out of character for Kavanaugh.
--“The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett.” |
Accuser names potential corroborators, but they corroborate Kavanaugh's position about the accusation.
| Quote: | A former student who was best friends with Ramirez said she never told her about the incident despite how close they were.
--“The former friend who was married to the male classmate alleged to be involved, and who signed the statement, said of Ramirez, ‘This is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.’” |
Even accusers best/close friend denies allegation actually happened. Is it a coincidence that the accusations always seem to follow the same playbook? Should we not expect a new accuser will emerge later on this week if it appears Ford and Ramirez's claims have not held up or delayed confirmation? |
If only there was an agency, possibly a bureau, that could investigate these things. I know if I was accused of such things I would openly welcome such a bureau investigating the accusations. I would really want a federal bureau that specialized in investigating things to investigate those accusations. If someone else suggested that a federal bureau should investigate, I would be totally cool with that. Hell, I might even be the one who flat out says that I want a federal bureau to investigate, because I know that I didn't do anything wrong and if that federal bureau investigated me, then everyone else would know too. |
No, no, that's too radical. Internet sleuthing is more than sufficient.
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | The new Kavanaugh accuser's claim is very similar to Ford's accusation, and not in a way to promote credibility.
The alleged event happened 35 years ago....
| Quote: | The accuser, Deborah Ramirez, admits in The New Yorker’s piece that there were “significant gaps” in her memories about the event.
--“She was at first hesitant to speak publicly, partly because her memories contained gaps because she had been drinking at the time of the alleged incident.”
--“Ramirez acknowledged that there are significant gaps in her memories of the evening…” |
Claiming up front that memory could be impaired could be a strategy to diminish the likelihood of any future perjury charges.
| Quote: | By The New Yorker’s own admission, Ramirez was reluctant to speak with certainty on the allegation.
--“In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty.”
It took six days of “assessing her memories” for Ramirez to say she recalled Kavanaugh committing the alleged incident, and that came only after consulting with an attorney provided by the Democrats.
--“After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections…”
--“Senate aides from Ramirez’s home state of Colorado alerted a lawyer, Stanley Garnett, a former Democratic district attorney in Boulder, who currently represents her.” |
The Democrats were nice enough to find her good representation, who also happens to be a long time Democratic politician. Also, at first she was "reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty", but after six days of "carefully assessing her memories" and consulting with her Democratic attorney, it mostly came back to her.
| Quote: | The New Yorker admits it has not confirmed through eyewitnesses Kavanaugh was even present at the party and other students who knew Kavanaugh said they never heard of the incident.
--“The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party.”
--“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved in the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events…”
--“We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place.”
--“Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale. We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not.”
Further, those classmates said that the allegations in the story would be completely out of character for Kavanaugh.
--“The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett.” |
Accuser names potential corroborators, but they corroborate Kavanaugh's position about the accusation.
| Quote: | A former student who was best friends with Ramirez said she never told her about the incident despite how close they were.
--“The former friend who was married to the male classmate alleged to be involved, and who signed the statement, said of Ramirez, ‘This is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening.’” |
Even accusers best/close friend denies allegation actually happened. Is it a coincidence that the accusations always seem to follow the same playbook? Should we not expect a new accuser will emerge later on this week if it appears Ford and Ramirez's claims have not held up or delayed confirmation? |
If only there was an agency, possibly a bureau, that could investigate these things. I know if I was accused of such things I would openly welcome such a bureau investigating the accusations. I would really want a federal bureau that specialized in investigating things to investigate those accusations. If someone else suggested that a federal bureau should investigate, I would be totally cool with that. Hell, I might even be the one who flat out says that I want a federal bureau to investigate, because I know that I didn't do anything wrong and if that federal bureau investigated me, then everyone else would know too. |
And if I were lying about accusations I was making about someone, I know I would not suggest that such a bureau investigate my claims.
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adkindo wrote: | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: |
Al Franken was forced to resign over much less than this. |
Just curious, do you still think Frankenstein should’ve resigned? |
yeah, because images of him imitating the groping of a sleeping female soldier's breast is far less than the "evidence" that we have on Kavanaugh. |
Do you think Trump should resign? |
based on what logic? Is there something we have learned since elected that is surprising in any way? Maybe I am actually forgetting something, but I assume you are trying to "ah ha" me on Stormy the porn star.....but I would speculate that having an extramarital affair before he was president would not have swayed many Trump voters. It kind of feels like that was already baked into the personal character of the man? If you were going in a different direction, then correct me. |
Based on you think Franken should resign because he groped a female in jest and Trump was recorded he sometimes grabbed women by their V word them without their permission. |
Still do not see the logic or comparison, Trump was elected long after that was public knowledge. For the record, I personally was not out there calling for Franken to resign from office.....but there is a difference.....his voters learned of actions he took after an election. That was between him, his voters, and the party. I am not sure why you appear to want to attach that to actions by the Republican party.....they had no control over him resigning from office. |
I think you're being intellectually dishonest based on what you said about Franken. If you think a man should resign for a jest why should one not for doing, in his own words, a far more egregious act? Just because he's in office doesn't negate the act or disrespect of women. It's the indiscretion that's the issue. |
| Quote: | | I am sorry, not sure why you would feel that way about my thoughts on Franken. |
Don't be sorry. Stand by your convictions. I feel that way because you seem to separate Trumps admitted fondling from Al's admitted joke and judge them by the person not the indiscretion. | Quote: |
If I recall, his issues were during Trumps initial year in office, and I simply stepped away from the daily political news for a while after the election. Of course I saw headlines, and knew what was going on, but I simply do not recall feeling strongly about Franken....most of the story I learned after or right before his expected resignation. I personally never had much respect for Franken as a Senator. |
The italicized, underlined is where I feel you're being intellectually dishonest.
| Quote: | | You and I simply disagree on if it happens after an election or was made public after an election. |
What difference does it make when it happened? The fact that it happened is the issue. | Quote: | | If it is baked into the election results, then it is apples and oranges to something learned or an action taken by the candidate that is exceptional to the perceived candidate voters cast their ballot for at a poll. |
What you're saying you can grope a female before and election and that groping has no meaning after the election? If you're a abuser before an election you're still an abuser.
Based on other conversations we've had on other subjects I don't think you're a staunch supporter of Trump. I think you're a supporter of the party. Tribalism can be a fault.
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | If only there was an agency, possibly a bureau, that could investigate these things. I know if I was accused of such things I would openly welcome such a bureau investigating the accusations. I would really want a federal bureau that specialized in investigating things to investigate those accusations. If someone else suggested that a federal bureau should investigate, I would be totally cool with that. Hell, I might even be the one who flat out says that I want a federal bureau to investigate, because I know that I didn't do anything wrong and if that federal bureau investigated me, then everyone else would know too. |
I am simply not buying that anyone that has been adamantly opposed to this nomination, and every nomination/position/legislation associated with this president just seeks a federal investigation solely for truth finding purposes.....while pretending an upcoming election that they feel there is an outside chance they could take control of the legislative body to stop this appointment is not driving their actions. In what world do we launch federal investigations off allegations of crimes that are not federal and have zero evidence or corroborating evidence? |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
A step in the right direction, but a LONG way from the true justice of a lengthy prison term. |
It's a start. Even a year ago, she would have been on paid administrative leave. |
Agree 100%. I'm just pointing out we still have a long way to go. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Guyger gets hired by another force in a few months from now.
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| adkindo wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | If only there was an agency, possibly a bureau, that could investigate these things. I know if I was accused of such things I would openly welcome such a bureau investigating the accusations. I would really want a federal bureau that specialized in investigating things to investigate those accusations. If someone else suggested that a federal bureau should investigate, I would be totally cool with that. Hell, I might even be the one who flat out says that I want a federal bureau to investigate, because I know that I didn't do anything wrong and if that federal bureau investigated me, then everyone else would know too. |
I am simply not buying that anyone that has been adamantly opposed to this nomination, and every nomination/position/legislation associated with this president just seeks a federal investigation solely for truth finding purposes.....while pretending an upcoming election that they feel there is an outside chance they could take control of the legislative body to stop this appointment is not driving their actions. In what world do we launch federal investigations off allegations of crimes that are not federal and have zero evidence or corroborating evidence? |
We don’t see the world as it is, we see it as we are.
To answer your last question, the FBI does the background investigations for federal confirmations, including, customarily, issues that arise during them. This is neither a mystery nor unusual nor outside of common sense.
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| adkindo wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | If only there was an agency, possibly a bureau, that could investigate these things. I know if I was accused of such things I would openly welcome such a bureau investigating the accusations. I would really want a federal bureau that specialized in investigating things to investigate those accusations. If someone else suggested that a federal bureau should investigate, I would be totally cool with that. Hell, I might even be the one who flat out says that I want a federal bureau to investigate, because I know that I didn't do anything wrong and if that federal bureau investigated me, then everyone else would know too. |
I am simply not buying that anyone that has been adamantly opposed to this nomination, and every nomination/position/legislation associated with this president just seeks a federal investigation solely for truth finding purposes.....while pretending an upcoming election that they feel there is an outside chance they could take control of the legislative body to stop this appointment is not driving their actions. In what world do we launch federal investigations off allegations of crimes that are not federal and have zero evidence or corroborating evidence? |
In this world. It's what happens when someone is about to get a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the country.
Strike that. It is what has always happened before. It should be happening now, but apparently rules, laws, decorum, protocol and a few other scary words don't matter anymore. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Quote: | | If it is baked into the election results, then it is apples and oranges to something learned or an action taken by the candidate that is exceptional to the perceived candidate voters cast their ballot for at a poll. |
What you're saying you can grope a female before and election and that groping has no meaning after the election? If you're a abuser before an election you're still an abuser.
Based on other conversations we've had on other subjects I don't think you're a staunch supporter of Trump. I think you're a supporter of the party. Tribalism can be a fault. |
Yes jodeke, I am saying that if a candidate "groped" a woman in their past, and the voters know of this action before an election.....and the groper wins the election, I do not agree that logic suggests that individual should then resign from the position they were elected.
Are you suggesting otherwise? If so, we just have different understandings of the democratic process. |
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Rosenstein now scheduled to meet with trump on Thursday.
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| adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Quote: | | If it is baked into the election results, then it is apples and oranges to something learned or an action taken by the candidate that is exceptional to the perceived candidate voters cast their ballot for at a poll. |
What you're saying you can grope a female before and election and that groping has no meaning after the election? If you're a abuser before an election you're still an abuser.
Based on other conversations we've had on other subjects I don't think you're a staunch supporter of Trump. I think you're a supporter of the party. Tribalism can be a fault. |
Yes jodeke, I am saying that if a candidate "groped" a woman in their past, and the voters know of this action before an election.....and the groper wins the election, I do not agree that logic suggests that individual should then resign from the position they were elected.
Are you suggesting otherwise? If so, we just have different understandings of the democratic process. |
So, if your molestation is common knowledge and you're elected you should remain in office? With this I agree. I don't agree it should be acceptable. That's enabling and destructive. It could cause harmed parties to feel worthless. Do you think that constructive or fair?
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If it was common knowledge, why did he have his lawyer violating campaign finance laws and paying off people, or have his friend doing the same via the National Enquirer? Why did he have an army of Fox News and Russian bots claiming the access Hollywood tape was faked?
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^^^^^We're talking Franken and Kavanaugh
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| jodeke wrote: | | ^^^^^We're talking Franken and Kavanaugh |
You’re also talking trump and Franken.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Rosenstein now scheduled to meet with trump on Thursday. |
Seems like a pretty good time for him to authorize a preliminary by Muller.
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| ribeye wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Rosenstein now scheduled to meet with trump on Thursday. |
Seems like a pretty good time for him to authorize a preliminary by Muller. |
Make no mistake: mueller and rosenstein have already gamed out all of these actions.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | If it was common knowledge, why did he have his lawyer violating campaign finance laws and paying off people, or have his friend doing the same via the National Enquirer? Why did he have an army of Fox News and Russian bots claiming the access Hollywood tape was faked? |
B/c at the time, he thought it would sink him, which it clearly did not. The Franklin Grahams and other cadre of religious supporters who preach family values turned their collective heads away from it and voted en masse (85-90% of white Christians voted for Trump IIRC). If he knew they wouldn't care about it, he probably would have brought out 4-5 Stormy Daniels with him to campaign on his behalf.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Rosenstein now scheduled to meet with trump on Thursday. |
Seems like a pretty good time for him to authorize a preliminary by Muller. |
Make no mistake: mueller and rosenstein have already gamed out all of these actions. |
I don't think there's much Mueller hasn't prepared for. Chess > checkers.
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Trump gets to stay because everyone knew and he won. Even though at the time the “everyone” that voted for him overwhelmingly denied that he did it (which he and the gop and right wing media and the Russians actively helped propagandize), and many still don’t believe it. Now the same people who agree he did it but it’s ok because everyone knew it are trying to argue that Kavanaugh didn’t do it and we shouldn’t investigate. Just as they argued that about trump, and just as they argue about corruption or collusion investigations. It’s whack a mole. There’s no interest in consistency or fact, merely whatever it takes to win. That’s why trump said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue. Not as a metaphor, but as literal truth.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ^^^^^We're talking Franken and Kavanaugh |
You’re also talking trump and Franken. |
True. Emphasis on Franken and Kavanaugh.
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| jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ^^^^^We're talking Franken and Kavanaugh |
You’re also talking trump and Franken. |
True. Emphasis on Franken and Kavanaugh. |
The whole point about groped and elected with people knowing was not about Kavanaugh or Franken. Try to keep up with your own argument.
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Btw, I find it odd that we’re discussing whether a guy who has been demonstrated to have lied under oath both in his previous confirmation hearing and this one should be confirmed.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ^^^^^We're talking Franken and Kavanaugh |
You’re also talking trump and Franken. |
True. Emphasis on Franken and Kavanaugh. |
The whole point about groped and elected with people knowing was not about Kavanaugh or Franken. Try to keep up with your own argument. |
I have. Adkindo and I have a understanding. We know what we are discussing
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Omar Little
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It’s a telling statement on the entire make up of the GOP that they have the numbers to confirm a hard right justice and they still can’t help but go with the guy who can’t pass basic muster.
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