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I do not follow. Of course it is the whole country with the president, and he won a national election after the event jodeke referenced was widely known about by voters. It would be like me claiming Obama should resign because of the significant drug and alcohol abuse during his late teen years he wrote about in his book, even though the book was published long before the election. |
Not sure how to respond to this...
guess we just don’t see it the same way at all |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It’s a telling statement on the entire make up of the GOP that they have the numbers to confirm a hard right justice and they still can’t help but go with the guy who can’t pass basic muster. |
He has a certain quality that the other folks their masters told them would be acceptable do not. |
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JUST WIN BABY!!!
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It’s a telling statement on the entire make up of the GOP that they have the numbers to confirm a hard right justice and they still can’t help but go with the guy who can’t pass basic muster. |
Pass all their check list tho |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It’s a telling statement on the entire make up of the GOP that they have the numbers to confirm a hard right justice and they still can’t help but go with the guy who can’t pass basic muster. |
Honestly, they'd be better served going with another justice (Amy Barrett), another Federalist member. Trump could say he got a conservative female justice and try to nip this in the bud.
However, he wants to WIN this fight come hell or highwater. And as you said, he technically has the votes on paper, or...does he?
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The question that continues to need to be asked in the media and everywhere, as it has been in this thread by CL and others, if Kavanaugh was truly innocent, why doesn't he demand, DEMAND, an investigation. The simple absence of such a demand, alone, raises questions of his honesty and integrity.
Yes, I know, it is quite obvious that for many, if not most in the GOP, ideology is far more important than honesty and integrity.
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| ribeye wrote: | | The question that continues to need to be asked in the media and everywhere, as it has been in this thread by CL and others, if Kavanaugh was truly innocent, why doesn't he demand, DEMAND, an investigation. The simple absence of such a demand, alone, raises questions of his honesty and integrity. |
Again, we have proof he lied under oath at his confirmation hearings. Why are we debating his honesty?
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | It’s a telling statement on the entire make up of the GOP that they have the numbers to confirm a hard right justice and they still can’t help but go with the guy who can’t pass basic muster. |
Honestly, they'd be better served going with another justice (Amy Barrett), another Federalist member. Trump could say he got a conservative female justice and try to nip this in the bud.
However, he wants to WIN this fight come hell or highwater. And as you said, he technically has the votes on paper, or...does he? |
It’s amazing how an otherwise cringe inducing fringe neophyte like Barrett is now the safe choice.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | The question that continues to need to be asked in the media and everywhere, as it has been in this thread by CL and others, if Kavanaugh was truly innocent, why doesn't he demand, DEMAND, an investigation. The simple absence of such a demand, alone, raises questions of his honesty and integrity. |
Again, we have proof he lied under oath at his confirmation hearings. Why are we debating his honesty? |
Because he is so slimy and cute with his answers, they are not out and out, clear cut, black and white, indisputable lies. I'm bettin' adkindo does not think they are, or he wouldn't have such a man-crush.
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| ribeye wrote: | The question that continues to need to be asked in the media and everywhere, as it has been in this thread by CL and others, if Kavanaugh was truly innocent, why doesn't he demand, DEMAND, an investigation. The simple absence of such a demand, alone, raises questions of his honesty and integrity.
Yes, I know, it is quite obvious that for many, if not most in the GOP, ideology is far more important than honesty and integrity. |
Ideology is even fungible, as long as you’re on the team. Free trade, religious principles? When those are fungible, you know something is up.
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The only principle is hegemony of the ruling status quo.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | It’s a telling statement on the entire make up of the GOP that they have the numbers to confirm a hard right justice and they still can’t help but go with the guy who can’t pass basic muster. |
Honestly, they'd be better served going with another justice (Amy Barrett), another Federalist member. Trump could say he got a conservative female justice and try to nip this in the bud.
However, he wants to WIN this fight come hell or highwater. And as you said, he technically has the votes on paper, or...does he? |
It’s amazing how an otherwise cringe inducing fringe neophyte like Barrett is now the safe choice. |
Given how the GOP will need some women voters, and what a cluster F this Kav hearing has become, you're right. The norms have changed.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | The question that continues to need to be asked in the media and everywhere, as it has been in this thread by CL and others, if Kavanaugh was truly innocent, why doesn't he demand, DEMAND, an investigation. The simple absence of such a demand, alone, raises questions of his honesty and integrity.
Yes, I know, it is quite obvious that for many, if not most in the GOP, ideology is far more important than honesty and integrity. |
Ideology is even fungible, as long as you’re on the team. Free trade, religious principles? When those are fungible, you know something is up. |
Not guns and abortion, and the important religious principles like thou shall not lie with another man, or I don't want to decorate your cake because it makes me feel icky due to my selective reading of the bible. These are the team, at least the rank and file.
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adkindo wrote: | governator wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: |
Al Franken was forced to resign over much less than this. |
Just curious, do you still think Frankenstein should’ve resigned? |
yeah, because images of him imitating the groping of a sleeping female soldier's breast is far less than the "evidence" that we have on Kavanaugh. |
Do you think Trump should resign? |
based on what logic? Is there something we have learned since elected that is surprising in any way? Maybe I am actually forgetting something, but I assume you are trying to "ah ha" me on Stormy the porn star.....but I would speculate that having an extramarital affair before he was president would not have swayed many Trump voters. It kind of feels like that was already baked into the personal character of the man? If you were going in a different direction, then correct me. |
Based on you think Franken should resign because he groped a female in jest and Trump was recorded he sometimes grabbed women by their V word them without their permission. |
Still do not see the logic or comparison, Trump was elected long after that was public knowledge. For the record, I personally was not out there calling for Franken to resign from office.....but there is a difference.....his voters learned of actions he took after an election. That was between him, his voters, and the party. I am not sure why you appear to want to attach that to actions by the Republican party.....they had no control over him resigning from office. |
That’s one of the problem, it’s only between ‘him’ and ‘the party’. President of US should always be between ‘him/her’ with ‘the whole country’ |
| Quote: | I do not follow. Of course it is the whole country with the president, and he won a national election after the event jodeke referenced was widely known about by voters.
It would be like me claiming Obama should resign because of the significant drug and alcohol abuse during his late teen years he wrote about in his book, even though the book was published long before the election. |
Are you seriously equating occasional use of marijuana and social drinking to abuse? Your exaggerations are typical Republican ploys.
Not once did he, allegedly, grope and attempt to sexually abuse a fellow student.
AK, you're off the charts in defense of a loser. C'MON MAN!!
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At least he’s not such a slavish sycophant that he can’t help defending the innaugural crowd size when referenced in the golf thread...
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Chances Rosenstein wears a wire...and then he's heavily patted down by Trump's security. 
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| Omar Little wrote: | | The only principle is hegemony of the ruling status quo. |
Yep. Mitch McConnell's favorite currency is power. Everything else is secondary.
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| Heartburn wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | The only principle is hegemony of the ruling status quo. |
Yep. Mitch McConnell's favorite currency is power. Everything else is secondary. |
It has also always been the core principle of organized religion and both fiscal and social conservatism.
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If there is a hell. There is a warm seat waiting for McConnell.
The 2 victims are just a "smear campaign". Sexual assault is fine.
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| kikanga wrote: | If there is a hell. There is a warm seat waiting for McConnell.
The 2 victims are just a "smear campaign". Sexual assault is fine. |
Mitch McConnell should go down as one of the biggest villains in American political history. Just the sight of him makes my blood boil. |
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| Dominator wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | If there is a hell. There is a warm seat waiting for McConnell.
The 2 victims are just a "smear campaign". Sexual assault is fine. |
Mitch McConnell should go down as one of the biggest villains in American political history. Just the sight of him makes my blood boil. |
@Mitch McConnell LINK
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| Quote: | !!Susan Collins tells The Circus on Showtime she doesn't view Kavanaugh as a threat to abortion rights.
`I do not believe he's going to repeal Roe V. Wade'
On her vote:
`I'm close, I'm very close, but I'm not all the way there yet. And Professor Ford deserves to be heard.' |
https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/status/1044307760068907009
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| ribeye wrote: | The question that continues to need to be asked in the media and everywhere, as it has been in this thread by CL and others, if Kavanaugh was truly innocent, why doesn't he demand, DEMAND, an investigation. The simple absence of such a demand, alone, raises questions of his honesty and integrity.
Yes, I know, it is quite obvious that for many, if not most in the GOP, ideology is far more important than honesty and integrity. |
The time it takes to perform an FBI investigation would most likely prevent him from obtaining the SC seat. If you're Kavanaugh does that make any sense to ask for that if you want to be on the SC? The quickest way for an investigation to happen is for the accusers to file police reports. The police department already said they would investigate if a report was filed. Why aren't the accusers filing a report? I understand the possible reasons why they haven't filed up to this point but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do so now. |
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| Dominator wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | If there is a hell. There is a warm seat waiting for McConnell.
The 2 victims are just a "smear campaign". Sexual assault is fine. |
Mitch McConnell should go down as one of the biggest villains in American political history. Just the sight of him makes my blood boil. |
The leader of the Republican Party in the White House gets the bulk of the flack due to his despicable personality and low-life antics, but in reality, McConnell has done as much or maybe even more with how he runs the Senate, especially judge confirmations.
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