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The Guardian: The Republican party is about to face the wrath of women
| Quote: | If there’s cause for hope in these horror-show days, it’s this: the Republican party has no idea what’s about to hit it this November.
Even the dimmest and most misogynist of Republican operatives must realize, by this point, that the supreme court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh and the handling of the sexual assault allegations against him will hurt their chances, especially with women voters, in the upcoming midterm elections.
What they don’t seem to realize, though, is that huge numbers of women aren’t just mad – they’re organized and mobilized politically in a way we’ve never quite seen before. The key story of the midterms is the large number of progressive women – and to a lesser extent, progressive men – who have been taking on the crucial, unglamorous work that swings elections: registering voters, canvassing door-to-door, preparing to get people to the polls. The disdain for women that the Republicans have shown by continuing to rally behind Kavanaugh is only energizing them further.
The anguish and courage reflected in the cascade of #WhyIDidntReport stories is deeply personal, but the fallout is sure to be directly political. Well before the president who has been repeatedly accused of sexual assault nominated a man now repeatedly accused of sexual assault to a lifetime position on the highest court in the land, women were laying the groundwork for a historic political reckoning this fall. Of course there are women, mainly white women, who retain their allegiance to the Republican party; their ranks, though, are very unlikely to expand. By contrast, the rage of millions of women, including overwhelming majorities of women of color, is now laser-focused on the Republican party – and there’s a robust grassroots infrastructure in place to make sure it is expressed at the ballot box this November. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Avenatti is creditable. He's not a publicity seeker. |
Come again? |
I don't see him as a publicity seeker in the sense of enhancing himself. I see him using the forum to bolster his clients positions. Using the media to swing the court of public opinion to his clients favor. |
He announced he's running for President.
Democrats have to be careful not to get into bed with any self serving weasel just because they bash Trump. A lot of shady characters are getting embraced these days.
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New NBC/Marist Florida polls (likely voters)
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Having a Democratic governor in Florida is important for the next Presidential election because Republican governors do massive purging of voter rolls and severe restrictions on number of polling places, curtail early voting, etc. |
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| ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Avenatti is creditable. He's not a publicity seeker. |
Come again? |
I don't see him as a publicity seeker in the sense of enhancing himself. I see him using the forum to bolster his clients positions. Using the media to swing the court of public opinion to his clients favor. |
He announced he's running for President.
Democrats have to be careful not to get into bed with any self serving weasel just because they bash Trump. A lot of shady characters are getting embraced these days. |
Do you think Avenatti is shady? If so why?
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| jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Avenatti is creditable. He's not a publicity seeker. |
Come again? |
I don't see him as a publicity seeker in the sense of enhancing himself. I see him using the forum to bolster his clients positions. Using the media to swing the court of public opinion to his clients favor. |
He announced he's running for President.
Democrats have to be careful not to get into bed with any self serving weasel just because they bash Trump. A lot of shady characters are getting embraced these days. |
Do you think Avenatti is shady? If so why? |
I don't know how you see the guy on a regular basis and not conclude he's motivated almost entirely by self promotion. He's a celebrity lawyer who goes on any TV show that will have him and now he's running for President? This all sounds on the up and up to you? He's a total huckster and worst of all, he's actually hoodwinking Democrats into thinking he's a legitimate figure as he campaigns in Iowa. And it's based on nothing of value other than his willingness to bash Trump on Twitter.
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| ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Avenatti is creditable. He's not a publicity seeker. |
Come again? |
I don't see him as a publicity seeker in the sense of enhancing himself. I see him using the forum to bolster his clients positions. Using the media to swing the court of public opinion to his clients favor. |
He announced he's running for President.
Democrats have to be careful not to get into bed with any self serving weasel just because they bash Trump. A lot of shady characters are getting embraced these days. |
Do you think Avenatti is shady? If so why? |
I don't know how you see the guy on a regular basis and not conclude he's motivated almost entirely by self promotion. He's a celebrity lawyer who goes on any TV show that will have him and now he's running for President? This all sounds on the up and up to you? He's a total huckster and worst of all, he's actually hoodwinking Democrats into thinking he's a legitimate figure as he campaigns in Iowa. And it's based on nothing of value other than his willingness to bash Trump on Twitter. |
Couldn't agree more. I get a Gloria Allred vibe whenever I see him. |
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ocho wrote: | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Avenatti is creditable. He's not a publicity seeker. |
Come again? |
I don't see him as a publicity seeker in the sense of enhancing himself. I see him using the forum to bolster his clients positions. Using the media to swing the court of public opinion to his clients favor. |
He announced he's running for President.
Democrats have to be careful not to get into bed with any self serving weasel just because they bash Trump. A lot of shady characters are getting embraced these days. |
Do you think Avenatti is shady? If so why? |
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I don't know how you see the guy on a regular basis and not conclude he's motivated almost entirely by self promotion |
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I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases.
| Quote: | | He's a celebrity lawyer who goes on any TV show that will have him and now he's running for President? |
He said he's pondering running. What evidence do you have to say he's actually running? I'll wait and see if he does.
| Quote: | | This all sounds on the up and up to you? |
Yes.
| Quote: | | He's a total huckster and worst of all, he's actually hoodwinking Democrats into thinking he's a legitimate figure as he campaigns in Iowa. |
That's a opinion. Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? I don't see any ads touting him for president.
| Quote: | | And it's based on nothing of value other than his willingness to bash Trump on Twitter. |
Thast's your opinion, one we don't share. In my eyes he's going after Trump in the name of Stormy Daniels.
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Avenatti is only shady inasmuch as he thinks he's suited to run for president. His work for his clients has so far been pretty effective. His press campaign to bring facts to light has been effective. His willingness to bring the fight to the GOP is working (instead of getting caught on his heels).
My big gripe is that the Dems never take the fight directly to the GOP and let themselves get railroaded into a position that depends on the GOP doing the right thing. McConnell and Ryan NEVER do the right thing. They only speak in terms of power and if they have it, they won't surrender it.
I'm not saying Avenatti should be anything more than he is right now. He's a thorn in their side and there's a role for people like him.
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| ocho wrote: | | I don't know how you see the guy on a regular basis and not conclude he's motivated almost entirely by self promotion. He's a celebrity lawyer who goes on any TV show that will have him and now he's running for President? This all sounds on the up and up to you? He's a total huckster and worst of all, he's actually hoodwinking Democrats into thinking he's a legitimate figure as he campaigns in Iowa. And it's based on nothing of value other than his willingness to bash Trump on Twitter. |
I think he serves his clients well. And he doesn't bluff.
I wouldn't vote for him.
But at this point, sad to say, Avennatti's track record with the truth is better than our President's or his Supreme Court nominee.
I do think he gets credit for being courageous. Someone threatened Stormy Daniels life. In front of her infant daughter. And that person was probably paid to do so by the President of the United States. And Avennatti confronted that President. Head on.
Still wouldn't vote for him for President though.
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| Quote: | | I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases. |
Most lawyers run for President to help their clients. A real integrity move.
| Quote: | | Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? |
Jodeke I know you like to argue for the sport of it and once your heels are dug in they stay that way, but the guy is talking openly about running for President and attending political functions in Iowa. It doesn't take a master sleuth to put these clues together. I assume you believe he attended the Wing Ding Dinner because he likes chicken wings? Or no, I'm sorry. He did it to help his clients.
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I know I'm late to the party with this... But Trump getting laughed at by the world really made my day. I hope in that moment he felt as embarrassed as he ever has. If he's even capable of feeling embarrassed.
As others have stated he probably didn't even fully realize he was being laughed AT. Won't be until later when the memes and twitter storm settles in that he sees it.
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases. |
Most lawyers run for President to help their clients. A real integrity move.
| Quote: | | Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? |
Jodeke I know you like to argue for the sport of it and once your heels are dug in they stay that way, but the guy is talking openly about running for President and attending political functions in Iowa. It doesn't take a master sleuth to put these clues together. I assume you believe he attended the Wing Ding Dinner because he likes chicken wings? Or no, I'm sorry. He did it to help his clients. |
Yes when I dig my heels in they tend to stay that way. However you also know I'm not a Internet warrior bent on winning debates. Given solid evidence I'll change course.
Your mention of the Wing Ding Dinner caused me to research the possibly of hm running for president. He may be campaigning in Iowa. LINK I concede. LINK
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| jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases. |
Most lawyers run for President to help their clients. A real integrity move.
| Quote: | | Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? |
Jodeke I know you like to argue for the sport of it and once your heels are dug in they stay that way, but the guy is talking openly about running for President and attending political functions in Iowa. It doesn't take a master sleuth to put these clues together. I assume you believe he attended the Wing Ding Dinner because he likes chicken wings? Or no, I'm sorry. He did it to help his clients. |
Yes when I dig my heels in they tend to stay that way. However you also know I'm not a Internet warrior bent on winning debates. Given solid evidence I'll change course.
Your mention of the Wing Ding Dinner caused me to research the possibly of hm running for president. He may be campaigning in Iowa. LINK I concede. LINK |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Mitch McConnell announces that Senate Judiciary has hired an outside attorney (who is a woman) to do the questioning Thursday. They are doing this presumably because they don't trust the old white guys on the committee not to say offensive, sexist stuff. And this is how he makes the announcement:
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.@SenateMajLdr: "We have hired a female assistant to go on staff and to ask these questions in a respectful and professional way. We want this hearing to be handled very professionally not a political sideshow..." |
Attorney who is a specialist in sex crimes and happens to be a woman = female assistant.
And that my friends is the GOP misogyny problem in a nutshell. |
We're dealing with a sexual assault allegation and you're wondering why they want someone who specializes in this area and has experience? How is this even remotely considered a negative? This isn't misogyny this is common sense. I'm sorry that you can't fan your hatred for old white men by having them question her and then claim how they are bullying a victim. I'm sure the democrats were counting on exactly that happening so that they could further exploit the situation for political gain. Two more days and we'll finally get to hear her side of the story firsthand. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases. |
Most lawyers run for President to help their clients. A real integrity move.
| Quote: | | Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? |
Jodeke I know you like to argue for the sport of it and once your heels are dug in they stay that way, but the guy is talking openly about running for President and attending political functions in Iowa. It doesn't take a master sleuth to put these clues together. I assume you believe he attended the Wing Ding Dinner because he likes chicken wings? Or no, I'm sorry. He did it to help his clients. |
I see both points on this though I must admit I do see Avenetti as a bit of an opportunist. Is this, by itself, a disqualifier? Nope. We need to learn more about him besides what we've seen from his TV appearances. On the other hand, he does appear to be quite effective with what we've seen.
What I hope, from Democrats, is to become a unified group and to adopt their own eleventh commandment for their party (Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican). I don't want to see Bernie-like groups and Hillary-like groups fighting. Taking control of congress and then the presidency is too damned important for squabbles over minutia.
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| The Thief wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Mitch McConnell announces that Senate Judiciary has hired an outside attorney (who is a woman) to do the questioning Thursday. They are doing this presumably because they don't trust the old white guys on the committee not to say offensive, sexist stuff. And this is how he makes the announcement:
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.@SenateMajLdr: "We have hired a female assistant to go on staff and to ask these questions in a respectful and professional way. We want this hearing to be handled very professionally not a political sideshow..." |
Attorney who is a specialist in sex crimes and happens to be a woman = female assistant.
And that my friends is the GOP misogyny problem in a nutshell. |
We're dealing with a sexual assault allegation and you're wondering why they want someone who specializes in this area and has experience? How is this even remotely considered a negative? This isn't misogyny this is common sense. I'm sorry that you can't fan your hatred for old white men by having them question her and then claim how they are bullying a victim. I'm sure the democrats were counting on exactly that happening so that they could further exploit the situation for political gain. Two more days and we'll finally get to hear her side of the story firsthand. |
Whoosh. I don't hate old white men. I have great disdain for willfully ignorant, racist, sexist, bigoted old white men.
My point, which went over your head (which is telling) is that in calling her "an assistant" instead of "an attorney" he revealed his real underlying attitude about women and their worth. It's very 1950's.
Anyway, I think that if your poke your head out into the world you'll find that I'm in the majority opinion and you're in the minority. And when the Blue Wave hits in November, I'll still be here calling out the GOP's racism, misogyny and bigotry.
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| ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases. |
Most lawyers run for President to help their clients. A real integrity move.
| Quote: | | Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? |
Jodeke I know you like to argue for the sport of it and once your heels are dug in they stay that way, but the guy is talking openly about running for President and attending political functions in Iowa. It doesn't take a master sleuth to put these clues together. I assume you believe he attended the Wing Ding Dinner because he likes chicken wings? Or no, I'm sorry. He did it to help his clients. |
Yes when I dig my heels in they tend to stay that way. However you also know I'm not a Internet warrior bent on winning debates. Given solid evidence I'll change course.
Your mention of the Wing Ding Dinner caused me to research the possibly of hm running for president. He may be campaigning in Iowa. LINK I concede. LINK |
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ocho; Not digging in, just clarifying. I concede his running for president not his being shady.
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| jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | I don't see him as self promoting. I see him as a lawyer using the media to better sound his clients cases. |
Most lawyers run for President to help their clients. A real integrity move.
| Quote: | | Is he campaigning or are his appearances campaigning to you? |
Jodeke I know you like to argue for the sport of it and once your heels are dug in they stay that way, but the guy is talking openly about running for President and attending political functions in Iowa. It doesn't take a master sleuth to put these clues together. I assume you believe he attended the Wing Ding Dinner because he likes chicken wings? Or no, I'm sorry. He did it to help his clients. |
Yes when I dig my heels in they tend to stay that way. However you also know I'm not a Internet warrior bent on winning debates. Given solid evidence I'll change course.
Your mention of the Wing Ding Dinner caused me to research the possibly of hm running for president. He may be campaigning in Iowa. LINK I concede. LINK |
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ocho; Not digging in, just clarifying. I concede his running for president not his being shady. |
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The Democrats have 3 women on the Senate Judiciary Committee. The Republicans have ZERO women on the Senate Judiciary Committee. In fact, the Republicans have NEVER had a woman on the the committee. Again, that fact alone speaks volumes.
The format for Thursday is that each Senator gets 5 minutes, period. No follow-up rounds. So the GOP attorney gets the entire GOP allotted time COMBINED. I'm sure people can see how that would not seem fair. No other witnesses who could corroborate stories will be allowed. Even the Anita Hill hearing had 22 witnesses.
Also, Grassley has already tried to schedule a vote for Friday morning at 9:30 am. So basically, this is a sham hearing. And I think it will backfire on Republicans, whether he gets confirmed or not. |
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I kind of want Kavanaugh to get confirmed, and then removed later.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | I kind of want Kavanaugh to get confirmed, and then removed later. |
As long as he's off the bench before having to make a ruling regarding Trump being above the law. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | I kind of want Kavanaugh to get confirmed, and then removed later. |
thats more likely than him not being confirmed at all.
i think hes confirmed saturday and thursday's hearing will be a circus. |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | I kind of want Kavanaugh to get confirmed, and then removed later. |
As long as he's off the bench before having to make a ruling regarding Trump being above the law. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Expect to pay more at the pump:
| Quote: | Oil prices hit four-year-high of $81 amid looming Iran sanctions
Oil prices hit a four-year high of $81.48 a barrel on Tuesday after Saudi Arabia and Russia appeared to reject calls from the US to increase production amid looming sanctions against Iranian oil.
Brent crude hit its highest level since November 2014 at $81.48 a barrel, just days after a meeting in the Algerian capital to discuss global supply levels ended with no formal agreement.
US President Donald Trump slammed the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) last week, saying the 15-member oil cartel should keep crude prices low because of the military protection the US provided for the region.
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According to the WSJ, Saudi Arabia, the world's top oil exporter has increased production to around 10.4 million barrels of crude per-day over the past two months.
But according to the newspaper, the kingdom's state-run oil giant Saudi Arabian Oil Co, known as Aramco, doesn't have the capacity to meet future demand if Iran is no longer delivering oil.
Citing oil traders, it said with the combination of sanctions on Iranian oil and supply limitations in Saudi Arabia, there could be a "price spike, likely $90 to $100" a barrel. |
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The gas tax should be even higher. Thank god someone is doing something about externalities.
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| kikanga wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | I don't know how you see the guy on a regular basis and not conclude he's motivated almost entirely by self promotion. He's a celebrity lawyer who goes on any TV show that will have him and now he's running for President? This all sounds on the up and up to you? He's a total huckster and worst of all, he's actually hoodwinking Democrats into thinking he's a legitimate figure as he campaigns in Iowa. And it's based on nothing of value other than his willingness to bash Trump on Twitter. |
I think he serves his clients well. And he doesn't bluff.
I wouldn't vote for him.
But at this point, sad to say, Avennatti's track record with the truth is better than our President's or his Supreme Court nominee.
I do think he gets credit for being courageous. Someone threatened Stormy Daniels life. In front of her infant daughter. And that person was probably paid to do so by the President of the United States. And Avennatti confronted that President. Head on.
Still wouldn't vote for him for President though. |
Agreed. Trump set such a low bar. I like avenatti because he plays trumps game without bluffing. Would i hire him to represent me in a high profile case? Hell yes. Do i want him as a president? Eff no. This isn't a freaking reality tv show.
It's great that more people are getting involved and being active but they're just learning at the worst point in history. Anyone slightly better than pond scum is a savior. |
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