I have always regarded Rasmussen as acting oddly, if not suspiciously. Here is one example. On Nov 2 they had it 44-44 as they did on Nov 4. On Nov 5 they had it 45 - 42 Trump. This was the pattern for Rasmussen through the election, but oddly on the last day, they had it 45 - 43 Clinton. So, just as all the other polls were moving slightly in Trump's favor, Rasmussen moved in Hillary's favor. Just freeking odd. Maybe they didn't have a party-line with Trump and Putin. (For the young'ens, a party-line was a phone line that had to be shared between or among households.)
Yep. They'd occasionally publish numbers that were reasonable, but then they'd decide to give some arbitrary numbers for a few days just to affect the narrative, and then would come back with reasonable numbers. But those wild swings didn't make sense in a rolling average, which they claimed they conducted to come up with their numbers. As you said, for Hillary to be leading 45-43 on the last day after being behind 42-45 the day before, she'd have to have a really incredible day of polling to make it 45-43 to affect that rolling average to such a high degree. But she didn't, which tells us that the 45-42 Trump lead was an arbitrary BS number, but they didn't want to be an outlier on election day since they knew Hillary would win the popular vote, hence providing a reasonable 2 point lead for Hillary on the last day polling. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
October 11, 2018 - O'Rourke Stalls 9 Points Down In Texas Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Republican Up 20 Points In Governor's Race
O'Rourke leads 84 - 10 percent among black voters and 61 - 37 percent among Hispanic voters. White voters back Cruz 69 - 30 percent.
Men back Sen. Cruz 62 - 37 percent as women tip to O'Rourke 52 - 46 percent.
It sounds funny to say because I think he's going to lose, but Beto is a real talent. I like him better than any of the prospective 2020 Democrats.
Such a solid person. Hope he does good. _________________ "The best there is. The best there was. The best there ever will be.", said Bret Hart regarding the Los Angeles Lakers.
October 11, 2018 - O'Rourke Stalls 9 Points Down In Texas Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Republican Up 20 Points In Governor's Race
O'Rourke leads 84 - 10 percent among black voters and 61 - 37 percent among Hispanic voters. White voters back Cruz 69 - 30 percent.
Men back Sen. Cruz 62 - 37 percent as women tip to O'Rourke 52 - 46 percent.
It sounds funny to say because I think he's going to lose, but Beto is a real talent. I like him better than any of the prospective 2020 Democrats.
Such a solid person. Hope he does good.
Yes, I could see him doing big things. I just wonder what he will do if he loses this election. The gubernatorial election is also taking place in November, with Republican incumbent Greg Abbott expected to easily win re-election over Lupe Valdez, the first openly gay nominee by a major party for the governor's race in Texas. So the governor's seat won't be available again until 2022. The next Senate seat up for grabs is in 2020, but John Cornyn is fairly popular in Texas, much more so than Ted Cruz is, if I'm not mistaken. (He won his last election, in 2014, by 28 points; Cruz won in 2012 by 16 points, and is sure to have a single-digit win if he wins this one.) I just wonder what Beto will do. Does he try to run for President in 2020 anyway? Maybe if the Dems win the presidency again in 2020, he could fill a role in the new administration?
Hoping for an upset here over Ted Cruz, and then maybe Beto could take a path similar to what Obama did. You never know.
October 11, 2018 - O'Rourke Stalls 9 Points Down In Texas Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Republican Up 20 Points In Governor's Race
O'Rourke leads 84 - 10 percent among black voters and 61 - 37 percent among Hispanic voters. White voters back Cruz 69 - 30 percent.
Men back Sen. Cruz 62 - 37 percent as women tip to O'Rourke 52 - 46 percent.
It sounds funny to say because I think he's going to lose, but Beto is a real talent. I like him better than any of the prospective 2020 Democrats.
Such a solid person. Hope he does good.
Yes, I could see him doing big things. I just wonder what he will do if he loses this election. The gubernatorial election is also taking place in November, with Republican incumbent Greg Abbott expected to easily win re-election over Lupe Valdez, the first openly gay nominee by a major party for the governor's race in Texas. So the governor's seat won't be available again until 2022. The next Senate seat up for grabs is in 2020, but John Cornyn is fairly popular in Texas, much more so than Ted Cruz is, if I'm not mistaken. (He won his last election, in 2014, by 28 points; Cruz won in 2012 by 16 points, and is sure to have a single-digit win if he wins this one.) I just wonder what Beto will do. Does he try to run for President in 2020 anyway? Maybe if the Dems win the presidency again in 2020, he could fill a role in the new administration?
Hoping for an upset here over Ted Cruz, and then maybe Beto could take a path similar to what Obama did. You never know.
Beto's not confined to Texas right, just have to satisfy certain residency requirements and run in the senate/governor in another state. Mccain's senate seat seems available in 2020 special election.
Thinking about how Romney was governor of massachusetts but is now running for the senate in utah. Also before the presidency, Hillary was in arkansas but became senator for new york after the presidency
October 11, 2018 - O'Rourke Stalls 9 Points Down In Texas Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Republican Up 20 Points In Governor's Race
O'Rourke leads 84 - 10 percent among black voters and 61 - 37 percent among Hispanic voters. White voters back Cruz 69 - 30 percent.
Men back Sen. Cruz 62 - 37 percent as women tip to O'Rourke 52 - 46 percent.
It sounds funny to say because I think he's going to lose, but Beto is a real talent. I like him better than any of the prospective 2020 Democrats.
Such a solid person. Hope he does good.
Yes, I could see him doing big things. I just wonder what he will do if he loses this election. The gubernatorial election is also taking place in November, with Republican incumbent Greg Abbott expected to easily win re-election over Lupe Valdez, the first openly gay nominee by a major party for the governor's race in Texas. So the governor's seat won't be available again until 2022. The next Senate seat up for grabs is in 2020, but John Cornyn is fairly popular in Texas, much more so than Ted Cruz is, if I'm not mistaken. (He won his last election, in 2014, by 28 points; Cruz won in 2012 by 16 points, and is sure to have a single-digit win if he wins this one.) I just wonder what Beto will do. Does he try to run for President in 2020 anyway? Maybe if the Dems win the presidency again in 2020, he could fill a role in the new administration?
Hoping for an upset here over Ted Cruz, and then maybe Beto could take a path similar to what Obama did. You never know.
Beto's not confined to Texas right, just have to satisfy certain residency requirements and run in the senate/governor in another state. Mccain's senate seat seems available in 2020 special election.
Thinking about how Romney was governor of massachusetts but is now running for the senate in utah. Also before the presidency, Hillary was in arkansas but became senator for new york after the presidency
Romney and Clinton already had massive name recognition when they jump state... we'll see if Beto has that too (I don't think he does yet)
October 11, 2018 - O'Rourke Stalls 9 Points Down In Texas Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Republican Up 20 Points In Governor's Race
O'Rourke leads 84 - 10 percent among black voters and 61 - 37 percent among Hispanic voters. White voters back Cruz 69 - 30 percent.
Men back Sen. Cruz 62 - 37 percent as women tip to O'Rourke 52 - 46 percent.
It sounds funny to say because I think he's going to lose, but Beto is a real talent. I like him better than any of the prospective 2020 Democrats.
Such a solid person. Hope he does good.
Yes, I could see him doing big things. I just wonder what he will do if he loses this election. The gubernatorial election is also taking place in November, with Republican incumbent Greg Abbott expected to easily win re-election over Lupe Valdez, the first openly gay nominee by a major party for the governor's race in Texas. So the governor's seat won't be available again until 2022. The next Senate seat up for grabs is in 2020, but John Cornyn is fairly popular in Texas, much more so than Ted Cruz is, if I'm not mistaken. (He won his last election, in 2014, by 28 points; Cruz won in 2012 by 16 points, and is sure to have a single-digit win if he wins this one.) I just wonder what Beto will do. Does he try to run for President in 2020 anyway? Maybe if the Dems win the presidency again in 2020, he could fill a role in the new administration?
Hoping for an upset here over Ted Cruz, and then maybe Beto could take a path similar to what Obama did. You never know.
Beto's not confined to Texas right, just have to satisfy certain residency requirements and run in the senate/governor in another state. Mccain's senate seat seems available in 2020 special election.
Thinking about how Romney was governor of massachusetts but is now running for the senate in utah. Also before the presidency, Hillary was in arkansas but became senator for new york after the presidency
Romney and Clinton already had massive name recognition when they jump state... we'll see if Beto has that too (I don't think he does yet)
He's pretty well off in that department. He was on late show and Ellen in the past month.
Really am a bit surprised by this. He's petrified of getting tarred as uncaring about a Hurricane. And yet has spent the past few days at campaign rallies, with Kanye, and now this.
He doesn't care and doesn't even pretend to care because:
2) He knows there is a double-standard for how the media covers him as compared to how they would cover Obama or Clinton had they been doing the same thing.
3) Most of his supporters are cult members who: a) believe God has chosen him so he is exempt from any criticism, b) they are also narcissists who only care about tax cuts for them and their rich friends, or c) they like his racism, bigotry and misogyny and prioritize those vile impulses over all else - even hurricane victims and children in cages.
4) He has gotten away with being a selfish, scheming, corrupt sociopath his whole life with no consequences and sees no reason to change now.
5) He is broken inside with no ability to feel empathy or compassion except for other malignant narcissists who have similarly parlayed those vile traits into autocratic positions in other governments.
Among the worst-hit hurricane areas is the panhandle of Florida -- which is a predominantly conservative Republican area. Those people are angry and crying out because no one is helping them. He doesn't care about them either. He doesn't care about any of the rubes who support him except to the extent they prop up his bottomless pit of need for adulation - which is why he holds so many of these vanity rallies.
This week, the United Nations released a damning report. The short version: We have about 12 years to actually do something to prevent the worst aspects of climate change. That is, not to prevent climate change—we're well past that point—but to prevent the worst, most catastrophic elements of it from wreaking havoc on the world's population. To do that, the governments of Earth need to look seriously at the forces driving it. And an honest assessment of how we got here lays the blame squarely at the feet of the 1 percent.
Contrary to a lot of guilt-tripping pleas for us all to take the bus more often to save the world, your individual choices are probably doing very little to the world's climate. The real impact comes on the industrial level, as more than 70 percent of global emissions come from just 100 companies. So you, a random American consumer, exert very little pressure here. The people who are actively cranking up the global thermostat and threatening to drown 20 percent of the global population are the billionaires in the boardrooms of these companies.
There are probably no individuals who have had a more toxic impact on public and political attitudes about climate change than the Koch brothers, and it would take an absurd amount of space to document all the money and organizations they've scraped together for that purpose. (Investigative reporter Jane Mayer's groundbreaking Dark Money does basically that.) And they have every reason to: In her book, Mayer notes that "Koch Industries alone routinely released some 24 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere a year."
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And Exxon Mobil allegedly knew about climate change in 1977, back when it was still just Exxon and about 11 years before climate change became widely talked about. Instead of acting on it, they started a decades-long misinformation campaign. According to Scientific American, Exxon helped create the Global Climate Coalition, which questioned the scientific basis for concern over climate change from the late '80s until 2002, and successfully worked to keep the U.S. from signing the Kyoto Protocol, a move that helped cause India and China, two other massive sources of greenhouse gas, to avoid signing.
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Even when Republican lawmakers show flashes of willingness to get something done, they're swiftly swatted down. There are myriad examples, but one example comes via Dark Money, where Mayer describes an incident in April 2010 when Lindsey Graham briefly tried to support a cap-and-trade bill: A political group called American Solutions promptly launched a negative PR campaign against him, and Graham folded after just a few days. American Solutions, it turns out, was backed by billionaires in fossil fuel and other industries, including Trump-loving casino magnate Sheldon Adelson.
Really am a bit surprised by this. He's petrified of getting tarred as uncaring about a Hurricane. And yet has spent the past few days at campaign rallies, with Kanye, and now this.
He doesn't care and doesn't even pretend to care because:
2) He knows there is a double-standard for how the media covers him as compared to how they would cover Obama or Clinton had they been doing the same thing.
3) Most of his supporters are cult members who: a) believe God has chosen him so he is exempt from any criticism, b) they are also narcissists who only care about tax cuts for them and their rich friends, or c) they like his racism, bigotry and misogyny and prioritize those vile impulses over all else - even hurricane victims and children in cages.
4) He has gotten away with being a selfish, scheming, corrupt sociopath his whole life with no consequences and sees no reason to change now.
5) He is broken inside with no ability to feel empathy or compassion except for other malignant narcissists who have similarly parlayed those vile traits into autocratic positions in other governments.
Among the worst-hit hurricane areas is the panhandle of Florida -- which is a predominantly conservative Republican area. Those people are angry and crying out because no one is helping them. He doesn't care about them either. He doesn't care about any of the rubes who support him except to the extent they prop up his bottomless pit of need for adulation - which is why he holds so many of these vanity rallies.
I'm going to let you in on a little secret. He doesn't give a (bleep) about any of them. Psychiatrists are loving him because he has absolutely defined projection.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., said he’s not thrilled by liberal protesters disrupting conservative activities or being rude. He would much rather see progressives voice their outrage through the ballot box.
The former presidential candidate told Jake Tapper on CNN’s “State of the Union” that he strongly supports mobilizing the American people to stand up for economic, social, racial and environmental justice but that there are more and less effective ways to go about this.
“I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities,” Sanders said. “But this is what I will say. This entire … election campaign is going to come down to two words, and that is voter turnout.”
Sanders had a simple message: Anyone who is sick of seeing the “very rich getting richer” while “the middle class continues to struggle” needs to vote and encourage like-minded friends and families to do the same.
Although Democratic politicians need to play tough and stop bringing a butter knife to a gun fight, so to speak, Sanders is right. He's talking about everyday rank-and-file liberals like us doing the right thing.
In a weird way, when liberals protest, whether they do it peacefully or violently, they come off to non-liberals as a bunch of spoiled brats, and swing voters become turned off by the Democratic party in general.
I've always wondered why, other than maybe bombing abortion clinics or white nationalist rallies, conservatives don't really protest in public (at least not as much as liberals). _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
I guess you don't remember the Tea Party rallies, and people shouting at town halls because if Obamacare passed there would death panels. This weekend there were roving gangs of neo-nazis in NYC beating people up. Gun enthusiasts were hanging out in front of Starbucks with AR-15's slung over their shoulder because they were afraid Obama would pass gun laws. There were gangs of Tea Partiers stalking the congressional black caucus, spitting at them and calling them the N-word. There are organized, trained right wing groups who show up at polling places trying to intimidate and bully voters. Every single day there of videos of random white people calling the police on and harassing black people for: shopping, sitting, selling water, barbecuing, getting coffee, sitting in their own car, entering their own house, etc etc.
IT IS A LIE that liberals are the violent mob. IT'S PROJECTION. It's tactic of the right to try to disempower the left. And if people on the left help perpetuate this (bleep) narrative, then they are part of the problem.
October 11, 2018 - O'Rourke Stalls 9 Points Down In Texas Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Republican Up 20 Points In Governor's Race
O'Rourke leads 84 - 10 percent among black voters and 61 - 37 percent among Hispanic voters. White voters back Cruz 69 - 30 percent.
Men back Sen. Cruz 62 - 37 percent as women tip to O'Rourke 52 - 46 percent.
It sounds funny to say because I think he's going to lose, but Beto is a real talent. I like him better than any of the prospective 2020 Democrats.
Such a solid person. Hope he does good.
Wasn't Obama just a senator for two years before running for prez? Polls had clinton winning and we know how that turned out. I have a feeling a lot of women are being polled in front of their husbands and tell the pollsters they're gonna vote Cruz but will secretly vote for Beto.
If Beto does win by some rare chance- He by himself, or Bidens VP choice, would be a strong strong ticket against trump just simply based on authenticity... _________________ Creatures crawl in search of blood, To terrorize y'alls neighborhood.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:44 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
I guess you don't remember the Tea Party rallies, and people shouting at town halls because if Obamacare passed there would death panels. This weekend there were roving gangs of neo-nazis in NYC beating people up. Gun enthusiasts were hanging out in front of Starbucks with AR-15's slung over their shoulder because they were afraid Obama would pass gun laws. There were gangs of Tea Partiers stalking the congressional black caucus, spitting at them and calling them the N-word. There are organized, trained right wing groups who show up at polling places trying to intimidate and bully voters. Every single day there of videos of random white people calling the police on and harassing black people for: shopping, sitting, selling water, barbecuing, getting coffee, sitting in their own car, entering their own house, etc etc.
All those are great points, but they are recent. Traditionally liberals have been the ones protesting, maybe because they want change and progress, while conservatives want to hold on and preserve institutions, or take us back to the way things were in the "good old days". That's probably why there have been more of these protests from people on the right in recent years - it's all part of the "whitelash" against the fact we had an African American president, and the fact that many of these white conservatives perceive having to share a little more of their power with people who are not white and Christian as oppression.
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IT IS A LIE that liberals are the violent mob. IT'S PROJECTION. It's tactic of the right to try to disempower the left. And if people on the left help perpetuate this (bleep) narrative, then they are part of the problem.
Yes, it is absolutely a lie and projection. I'm aghast at how much people on the right lie, distort, project and use other full of S tactics to try to win arguments. I thought it was bad enough when George W Bush was president. Now they've stooped to an even lower level.
And like you said, liberals need to stop giving conservatives and moderates fuel for their arguments. Simple majorities of the nation support many liberal policies. But these same people hate liberalism as an ideology. I think it mostly has to do with how they perceive liberals and our behavior and attitude, and some of that is simply lies and a stigma that was first perpetuated by Reagan years before he became president. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:58 pm Post subject:
Problem is nobody but dirty Republicans will go as low as they do
Engage them in who will go lower and they'll show you sinkholes they've created
I think people MUST expose the big issues like where all the money went?
Big awesome Businessman gonna shake things up!? SHAKEDOWN was all that happened
"Voters" didnt receive a Tax Break....
Corporations did though
100s of Billions on higher deficit and NOBODY is yelling about like they should be
Mueller is so ineffective its pathetic. Trump is a monster stealing from Americans future every second he can breathe and people are still talking about Trump 2020... If I was a Billionaire I would offer to build a prison for all the Trump associates and himself and offer to keep it running off of gofundme
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:06 pm Post subject:
eddiejonze wrote:
I have a feeling a lot of women are being polled in front of their husbands and tell the pollsters they're gonna vote Cruz but will secretly vote for Beto.
What women do you guys hang/live around? These women that are fearful to vote in opposition to their spouse are not in my life at all. If anything, it would be the husbands in fear of angering their wife with an opposition vote. My mom still gives my dad crap daily because she thinks he may have voted for Trump....and he has not even claimed he did. Honestly cannot tell if he did, or didn't and won't tell her just to annoy her. I am just thinking of my mom, sister, friends spouses, female friends, etc., and cannot think of one situation where I think the female would vote a specific way or even claim to in an attempt to pacify a male in their lives.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:29 pm Post subject:
adkindo wrote:
eddiejonze wrote:
I have a feeling a lot of women are being polled in front of their husbands and tell the pollsters they're gonna vote Cruz but will secretly vote for Beto.
What women do you guys hang/live around? These women that are fearful to vote in opposition to their spouse are not in my life at all. If anything, it would be the husbands in fear of angering their wife with an opposition vote. My mom still gives my dad crap daily because she thinks he may have voted for Trump....and he has not even claimed he did. Honestly cannot tell if he did, or didn't and won't tell her just to annoy her. I am just thinking of my mom, sister, friends spouses, female friends, etc., and cannot think of one situation where I think the female would vote a specific way or even claim to in an attempt to pacify a male in their lives.
Down south Men are probably still the breadwinners and most likely sole providers for the family.
Good Churchgoers will do whatever the flock agrees.. I'd bet some don't agree but are afraid to speak up.
Life is weird in rural America and some states are totally rural in comparison to others.
I have a feeling a lot of women are being polled in front of their husbands and tell the pollsters they're gonna vote Cruz but will secretly vote for Beto.
What women do you guys hang/live around? These women that are fearful to vote in opposition to their spouse are not in my life at all. If anything, it would be the husbands in fear of angering their wife with an opposition vote. My mom still gives my dad crap daily because she thinks he may have voted for Trump....and he has not even claimed he did. Honestly cannot tell if he did, or didn't and won't tell her just to annoy her. I am just thinking of my mom, sister, friends spouses, female friends, etc., and cannot think of one situation where I think the female would vote a specific way or even claim to in an attempt to pacify a male in their lives.
He's right, it's a scary time for men, these women are ruthless.
Alot of the Muslim hatred and fear in the GOP is rooted in projection. Many right-wingers can imagine themselves terrorizing to get their way. So they think Muslim people must be the same way. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I have a feeling a lot of women are being polled in front of their husbands and tell the pollsters they're gonna vote Cruz but will secretly vote for Beto.
What women do you guys hang/live around? These women that are fearful to vote in opposition to their spouse are not in my life at all. If anything, it would be the husbands in fear of angering their wife with an opposition vote. My mom still gives my dad crap daily because she thinks he may have voted for Trump....and he has not even claimed he did. Honestly cannot tell if he did, or didn't and won't tell her just to annoy her. I am just thinking of my mom, sister, friends spouses, female friends, etc., and cannot think of one situation where I think the female would vote a specific way or even claim to in an attempt to pacify a male in their lives.
He's right, it's a scary time for men, these women are ruthless.
Hah! That’s a clever response
But these polls got nothing to do with male or female ‘fake poll answer’. It’s genuinely a tight race, in a still red Texas district with increasing young blue demographic but the time might not be here yet (math wise). I do wonder what Beto’s future would be If he loses. What is he gonna do to keep up his national presence. Obama was a relatively unknown too but not only he won a senate seat, he gave one of the best national speech of all time. We’ll see, Ted Cruz... man, the guy who kisses the dude’s behind who sharted on his wife and father... Beto has to pull a miracle
CNN will have their debate this Thursday 7pm EST if you guys wanna see and get a feel of Beto
So, just what are the odds that Trump will honor his bet?
Elizabeth Warren releases DNA test with 'strong evidence' of Native American ancestry
There have been discussions herein this thread and a surprising number of participants (even one of our very intelligent lawyer friends) were fairly certain to absolutely certain Warren was lying. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
Alot of the Muslim hatred and fear in the GOP is rooted in projection. Many right-wingers can imagine themselves terrorizing to get their way. So they think Muslim people must be the same way.
It also drives the anti immigrant furor, the fear of a minority majority, and that when minorities “seize power”, they will wield it just as whites have. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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