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| VicXLakers wrote: | no surprise....UAE>CIA in trump's mind 
who supports this guy? |
Mitch McConnell.
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He already knows this. There's a reason they all sound the exact same? Because they know its a lie but they feel the need to keep telling it in hopes others will start to buy the lie they are selling. You could give them 10 references with nothing but data. And they will still repeat the same talking points. They dont have their own thoughts and they surely dont have their own rational thought.s |
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ChefLinda
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Traitor Trump not only sides with Saudis over the CIA, he and Kushner very likely gave prior tacit agreement to look the other way, then apparently sent Pompeo over to help them with their cover-up plans (they deny this). They willingly sacrificed a journalist's life in exchange for business deals, and possibly personal business deals. Hopefully the new House will investigate how deep this goes.
| Quote: | Statement from President Donald J. Trump on Standing with Saudi Arabia
America First!
The world is a very dangerous place!
The country of Iran, as an example, is responsible for a bloody proxy war against Saudi Arabia in Yemen, trying to destabilize Iraq’s fragile attempt at democracy, supporting the terror group Hezbollah in Lebanon, propping up dictator Bashar Assad in Syria (who has killed millions of his own citizens), and much more. Likewise, the Iranians have killed many Americans and other innocent people throughout the Middle East. Iran states openly, and with great force, “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!” Iran is considered “the world’s leading sponsor of terror.”
On the other hand, Saudi Arabia would gladly withdraw from Yemen if the Iranians would agree to leave. They would immediately provide desperately needed humanitarian assistance. Additionally, Saudi Arabia has agreed to spend billions of dollars in leading the fight against Radical Islamic Terrorism.
After my heavily negotiated trip to Saudi Arabia last year, the Kingdom agreed to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States. This is a record amount of money. It will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, tremendous economic development, and much additional wealth for the United States. Of the $450 billion, $110 billion will be spent on the purchase of military equipment from Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and many other great U.S. defense contractors. If we foolishly cancel these contracts, Russia and China would be the enormous beneficiaries – and very happy to acquire all of this newfound business. It would be a wonderful gift to them directly from the United States!
The crime against Jamal Khashoggi was a terrible one, and one that our country does not condone. Indeed, we have taken strong action against those already known to have participated in the murder. After great independent research, we now know many details of this horrible crime. We have already sanctioned 17 Saudis known to have been involved in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi, and the disposal of his body.
Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that – this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!
That being said, we may never know all of the facts surrounding the murder of Mr. Jamal Khashoggi. In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They have been a great ally in our very important fight against Iran. The United States intends to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia to ensure the interests of our country, Israel and all other partners in the region. It is our paramount goal to fully eliminate the threat of terrorism throughout the world!
I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction – and they are free to do so. I will consider whatever ideas are presented to me, but only if they are consistent with the absolute security and safety of America. After the United States, Saudi Arabia is the largest oil producing nation in the world. They have worked closely with us and have been very responsive to my requests to keeping oil prices at reasonable levels – so important for the world. As President of the United States I intend to ensure that, in a very dangerous world, America is pursuing its national interests and vigorously contesting countries that wish to do us harm. Very simply it is called America First!
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Pompeo Gave Saudis Plan to Shield Crown Prince From Khashoggi Fallout: Report
| Quote: | | During his trip to the kingdom last month, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo reportedly provided Saudi Arabia with a detailed plan on how to make sure Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was protected from the fallout over writer Jamal Khashoggi’s murder—and possibly pin the killing on an innocent person. Middle East Eye reports Pompeo delivered the plan during a meeting with Saudi King Salman and and the crown prince last month in Riyadh. The U.S. State Department strongly denied the existence of the plan. |
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That reminds me of this article from The Economist, which showed that the FAANG stocks accounted for a huge chunk (nearly 40-50%) of S&P 500 gains since 2015:
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2018/06/23/most-stockmarket-returns-come-from-a-tiny-fraction-of-shares
That's why I laughed when Trump and his fans attacked the tech sector even as he was praising the economy for doing so well. Well I laughed until I remembered that I work at one of those companies  |
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Wait, wait, wait, this isn't Trumps fault. He's only the reason for stock market rises. He's not to be blamed when they fall.
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I'm not sure the market has even bottomed out yet.
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Washington Post: In bizarre statement, Trump looks the other way on Khashoggi’s murder. Time for some oversight?
| Quote: | | Last Friday, The Post broke the story that “the CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month.” |
| Quote: | | On Tuesday he did something about it, in his way. The White House released a statement from the president, one that seems to have been dictated, transcribed and then released with no editing, since it’s spoken not in the careful language of diplomacy or law but in the way Trump communicates when tweeting or calling in to “Fox & Friends.” Including all the exclamation points. |
| Quote: | It’s important to know that these figures are bogus. The Saudis did not agree to spend and invest $450 billion in the United States, a number Trump seems to have just made up; they did not order $110 billion in military equipment; and they will not be creating hundreds of thousands of jobs in the United States.
But if you wanted to be generous, you could give Trump some credit for placing a kernel of truth under his pile of lies: We may not like it if you repress dissent and murder journalists who criticize your regime, but as long as you keep paying us, we’ll look the other way. |
| Quote: | | Let’s not forget an important angle to all this: Trump’s reaction to the Khashoggi murder could very well be the subject of oversight conducted by House Democrats next year. |
| Quote: | | First, there’s the intelligence angle. |
| Quote: | Democrats could also try to look at private communications between the administration and the Saudis during the period in which neither side was acknowledging the Saudi role. Remember, at that time, The Post reported that the administration and the Saudi royal family were “searching for a mutually agreeable explanation” for Khashoggi’s death that would “avoid implicating” the crown prince.
Such an examination could also look at Trump’s financial entanglements with the Saudis. As it is, Senate Democrats have already requested that Trump provide information about the Trump Organization’s business relationships with the Saudi government and royal family, suggesting there are possible conflicts of interest at play. One cannot dismiss the possibility that Trump’s personal profiting off the Saudis is shaping U.S. policy — a ripe area for oversight that could go beyond just the Khashoggi killing. |
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He was more angry with the press for asking the question than concerned for the morale of the troops. Not shocked, but I want the Trump supporters who troll this thread to have to read it in black and white:
| Quote: | Kyle Griffin -at- kylegriffin1
Trump is asked his message for the troops who are spending Thanksgiving at the border.
"Don't worry about the Thanksgiving— These are tough people ... You're so worried about the Thanksgiving holiday for them. They are so proud to be representing our country." (via ABC) |
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I can't wait for Congressional oversight to get his financials:
| Quote: | Rebecca Ballhaus Verified account AT rebeccaballhaus
Trump just now: “I don’t make deals with Saudi Arabia. I don’t have money from Saudi Arabia. I have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.”
Trump in August 2015: “Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million.” |
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trump is shoveling it at record levels just to see how much his base will take before he gets back into campaign mode early next year
have to gauge that bag b4 you fill it with shizzle |
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And Secy of State Pompeo is up to his eyeballs in the cover-up:
| Quote: | Philip Rucker @ PhilipRucker
A signal to dictators everywhere that they will face no consequences for brutally murdering journalists or critics because it’s simply “a mean, nasty world
| Quote: | Anne Rumsey Gearan [AT] agearan
"It's a mean, nasty world out there" @SecPompeo says in explanation of the Khashoggi statement |
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Also today, the White House established new "decorum" rules for journalists asking questions at daily briefing or of the president. They can only ask one question and cannot ask a follow-up question unless granted permission. If not granted permission and they ask a follow-up question, they will have their press pass permanently revoked. Also, as soon as they ask their one question they have to immediately surrender the microphone or the press pass will be revoked.
Freedom of the Press? Are we still America?
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| Quote: | Laura Bassett (@) LEBassett
Really comforting, as a journalist, to know that another country’s leader can order you chopped up with a bone saw and our president will just shrug and keep working with them. These are special times |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | trump is shoveling it at record levels just to see how much his base will take before he gets back into campaign mode early next year
have to gauge that bag b4 you fill it with shizzle |
I think he is fear mode...
Whole family getting indicted |
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Washington Post: White House discusses possible Trump visit to troops in Iraq or Afghanistan
| Quote: | President Trump has begun telling advisers that he may visit troops in a combat zone for the first time in his presidency, as he has come under increasing scrutiny for his treatment of military affairs and failure to visit service members deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq.
Trump has so far declined to visit those combat regions, saying he does not want to associate himself with wars he views as failures, according to current and former advisers, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. Current advisers said Trump is not expected to visit a war zone during the Thanksgiving break, which he will spend at his Mar-a-Lago golf resort in Florida.
The president has often cast himself as a champion of the Pentagon, invoking the strength and size of the military at his campaign rallies and on Twitter. At the same time, he has frequently criticized U.S. military missions and decisions while personally attacking some former military leaders, contributing to a complicated relationship with the armed forces he commands. |
| Quote: | Trump has spoken privately about his fears over risks to his own life, according to a former senior White House official, who has discussed the issue with the president and spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about Trump’s concerns.
“He’s never been interested in going,” the official said of Trump visiting troops in a combat zone, citing conversations with the president. “He’s afraid of those situations. He’s afraid people want to kill him.” |
| Quote: | | According to current and former aides, Trump was shaken after visiting Dover Air Force Base shortly after his inauguration to receive the remains of a Navy SEAL killed in Yemen, his first trip to meet a grieving family. He has not returned since. |
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It never stops. There is no bottom.
NYT: Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton
| Quote: | President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.
The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.
The encounter was one of the most blatant examples yet of how Mr. Trump views the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies. It took on additional significance in recent weeks when Mr. McGahn left the White House and Mr. Trump appointed a relatively inexperienced political loyalist, Matthew G. Whitaker, as the acting attorney general.
It is unclear whether Mr. Trump read Mr. McGahn’s memo or whether he pursued the prosecutions further. But the president has continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey, according to two people who have spoken to Mr. Trump about the issue. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, for failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs. Clinton, calling him weak, one of the people said. |
| Quote: | | Mr. Trump has grown frustrated with Mr. Wray for what the president sees as his failure to investigate Mrs. Clinton’s role in the Obama administration’s decision to allow the Russian nuclear agency to buy a uranium mining company. Conservatives have long pointed to donations to the Clinton family foundation by people associated with the company, Uranium One, as proof of corruption. But no evidence has emerged that those donations influenced the American approval of the deal. |
This last one is a thoroughly debunked right-wing wacko conspiracy theory that even Shep Smith of Fox News debunked on air.
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| BTW: All these stories are from TODAY. I'm not googling looking for bad stories, these are just in my Twitter feed as I skim the news. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | BTW: All these stories are from TODAY. I'm not googling looking for bad stories, these are just in my Twitter feed as I skim the news. |
At least sprinkle in some positive stories.
Ivanka Trump pocketed millions from D.C. hotel after her father became president
| Quote: | In addition to the $5 million Ivanka Trump earned from her personal business brand, she also made $3.9 million in 2017, the year in which she began her role as presidential adviser, for her share in the Trump International Hotel — despite promises to remit profits to the U.S. Treasury.
The family's Washington D.C. hotel, which opened days before Trump's 2016 election, sits only blocks away from the White House and has long been the target of lawsuits alleging that President Trump is violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Even as the hotel hosts foreign diplomats overnight while the White House hosts during the day, Ivanka Trump continues to reap a profit.
Her 2017 earnings are more than double what she filed in 2016, $2.4 million, Politico reports. What makes this growth more substantial is the fact that the 2016 amounts cover 16 months, whereas the 2017 amounts cover 12 months. In 2016, the year her father won the Republican presidential nomination and then the presidency, revenue from her apparel brand rose by more than 60 percent, according to Fortune.
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Conservative nonprofit with obscure roots and undisclosed funders paid Matthew Whitaker $1.2 million
| Quote: | In the three years after he arrived in Washington in 2014, Matthew G. Whitaker received more than $1.2 million as the leader of a charity that reported having no other employees, some of the best pay of his career.
The Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust described itself as a new watchdog nonprofit dedicated to exposing unethical conduct by public officials. For Whitaker, it became a lucrative steppingstone in a swift rise from a modest law practice in Iowa to the nation’s top law enforcement job. As FACT’s president, he regularly appeared on radio and television, often to skewer liberals.
But FACT’s origins and the source of funding used to pay Whitaker — now the acting attorney general — remain obscured. An examination of state and federal records, and interviews with those involved, show that the group is part of a national network of nonprofits that often work in concert to amplify conservative messages. |
See? That's not so hard is it? |
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| Grifters gotta stick together. |
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I'm not currently using any anti anxiety medication HOWEVER I frequently find myself screaming at a inanimate object (TV) LINK Our person in the Oval Office lies daily yet nothing seems to be done about it. This is still the greatest nation in the free world. I believe our Americans In Office will turn. I see a erosion of Trump support daily. I don't think impeachment is the answer, voting is. For those who care about the future of the strongest bastion of democracy I entreat PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, use the power of the vote. End /rant
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@passantino
Mia Love, the first black Republican woman elected to Congress, has lost reelection in Utah, giving Democrats +38 seat pickups in 2018 with a few more still undecided
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i usually tell the tv F U in a raised voice but not yelling every time i hear Trump's (bleep). GF probably thinks im losing it.
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Interesting read (a little old, but I missed it the first time):
Why Trump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt
| Quote: | | Cohen’s admission highlights one of the enduring riddles of the Trump era. Trump’s supporters say they care about corruption. During the campaign, they cheered his vow to “drain the swamp” in Washington, D.C. When Morning Consult asked Americans in May 2016 to explain why they disliked Hillary Clinton, the second-most-common answer was that she was “corrupt.” And yet, Trump supporters appear largely unfazed by the mounting evidence that Trump is the least ethical president in modern American history. When asked last month whether they considered Trump corrupt, only 14 percent of Republicans said yes. Even Cohen’s allegation is unlikely to change that. |
| Quote: | | The answer may lie in how Trump and his supporters define corruption. In a forthcoming book titled How Fascism Works, the Yale philosophy professor Jason Stanley makes an intriguing claim. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,” he suggests, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of the law. Officially, the fascist politician’s denunciations of corruption sound like a denunciation of political corruption. But such talk is intended to evoke corruption in the sense of the usurpation of the traditional order.” |
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