I'm sure someone is keeping a list of norms broken; next on the list, the State of the Union. A Republican House will never let another Dem President give the SOTU.
NOT a SOTU it would just be a sales pitch for his vanity wall and could go on for hours
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Are we sure that was blackface? My understanding is that game was a "black out" game where they are all supposed to dress in black. And nearly everyone is wearing black in it with some kids in the full body paint.
I have seen other photos of them during "blue out" events, where the kids are rocking full blue body paint in the same way. I'm not sure which group that would be racist against, if at all.
If you don't see the racism you're either being disingenuous or oblivious of the implication. If I'm correct you're Asian. If so are you are angered when (if this is in the vein of the N word delete it) slant eyed, slop head is the optic. It's racist.
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Are those Raiders fans that dress up in black body paint racist too? I mean, having clear intent matters doesn't it?
No, they are not. Their intent is clear. Not to recognize that is being disingenuous. At sporting events fans dress in costumes that emulate their team. Today's climate causes some to be disgruntle, e.g. Washington Redskin fans. Some accept the name, some don't. I haven't heard of any Black people complaining about the Black Hole in Raider Nation.
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Are we sure it wasn't ignorance versus racism?
Given the way Blacks have been, are treated, I don't believe it was ignorance. IMO it's veiled racism.
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I'm not closing out the possibility that the act was done with the intent to be racist, I'm just also open to the possibility that they didn't know better.
That's the way I approach situations such as this, a two way street, one way sometimes results in dead ends. I use history as a bellwether and rule out ignorance. I think they knew what they were doing. I won't rule out insensitivity but to me that's unacceptable.
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FWIW, they have allegedly said they aren't going to do blackouts anymore. I'm not sure that a true racist would bother.
I'm not sure the media coverage isn't the reason they "allegedly" won't do blackouts anymore. Continuing to do blackouts would open the school to more condemnation.
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And to answer your question, yes, that would bother me but wearing a kimono for Halloween doesn't.
One is mocking the other is honoring traditional dress. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:35 pm Post subject:
I think we all can agree that if your behavior is indistinguishable from racist behavior. You can't be upset if people think you are racist.
Same goes for Trump. If he somehow magically isn't a racist, Russian asset. He just acted exactly like one all this time. It's ridiculous for him to be offended when the media thinks he's a racist, Russian asset. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:35 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
All the polls this week have Trump approval at low points and disapproval at all time high. This AP poll has his approval at 34% -- that's the lowest number I recall seeing these last two years.
A strong majority of Americans blame President Donald Trump for the record-long government shutdown and reject his primary rationale for a border wall, according to a new poll that shows the turmoil in Washington is dragging his approval rating to its lowest level in more than a year.
Overall, 34 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s job performance in a survey conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. That’s down from 42 percent a month earlier and nears the lowest mark of his two-year presidency. The president’s approval among Republicans remains close to 80 percent, but his standing with independents is among its lowest points of his time in office.
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
She is checking the Executive branch, that's her job. More power to her.
Letting him give a SOTU like everything is normal would be an abdication of her duty. 800,000 government employees are suffering at his hands. You don't reward him by giving him a microphone to lie from the well of Congress while he keeps the government shut down. Not petty or pointless at all, imo.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:39 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
I agree. As I stated it would make her seem as vindictive and petty as Trump. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:39 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
All the polls this week have Trump approval at low points and disapproval at all time high. This AP poll has his approval at 34% -- that's the lowest number I recall seeing these last two years.
A strong majority of Americans blame President Donald Trump for the record-long government shutdown and reject his primary rationale for a border wall, according to a new poll that shows the turmoil in Washington is dragging his approval rating to its lowest level in more than a year.
Overall, 34 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s job performance in a survey conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. That’s down from 42 percent a month earlier and nears the lowest mark of his two-year presidency. The president’s approval among Republicans remains close to 80 percent, but his standing with independents is among its lowest points of his time in office.
But when election time hits. I expect his approval rating to go up to low 40s (at the max). The country is filled with closeted Trump supporters. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I think FiveThirtyEight has the most accurate polls because they aggregate all polls to come up with a percentage. The latest I saw is Trump's approval is at 40%. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:48 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
Maybe, but when your opponents (Trump and McConnell) only respond to pure power politics, I don't mind her punching back. IMO, it's terribly insulting that this guy wants to give another campaign speech (which is what it's going to be inevitably) while people are working without pay or not working at all. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
Davis cited “ongoing threats” to Cohen’s family from Trump and the president’s current personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, in the decision to postpone his Feb. 7 appearance before the House Oversight Committee.
If this is true both Trump and Giuliani are in violation of law. This is obstruction at it's apex.
If it is true, yes, but if it is not provable, then not, at least according to our system.
I'm fairly sure if it weren't provable it wouldn't be presented in a court of law. IMO their "ongoing threats" is proof enough. It would take a Beverly Hills lawyer to debunk what's been printed, their statements. They're giving more evidence for Mueller's investigation. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
I think FiveThirtyEight has the most accurate polls because they aggregate all polls to come up with a percentage. The latest I saw is Trump's approval is at 40%.
I was going to link to them to make that very point. They, and others, try to get to some average of the polling, though each polling firm is weighted based on other factors. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
I imagine most Americans would agree with you. Still, there is a reason to deny Trump a podium to indoctrinate the people and spew his propaganda to get his way. Yes, it is his right to give the speech, but it is also the right of Federal workers to get paid.
As such, I will have to agree with Nancy, even if it is petty. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:01 pm Post subject:
I like Gillibrand more after watching this video :
I'd vote for her with no hesitation if she won the primary. But right now I see her as strong candidate for the VP spot on the ticket at best. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:02 pm Post subject:
Heartburn wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
Maybe, but when your opponents (Trump and McConnell) only respond to pure power politics, I don't mind her punching back. IMO, it's terribly insulting that this guy wants to give another campaign speech (which is what it's going to be inevitably) while people are working without pay or not working at all.
Punch back by letting them dig a hole. Expose the lies I know they will tell. Expose them over and over again with proof. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
She is checking the Executive branch, that's her job. More power to her.
Letting him give a SOTU like everything is normal would be an abdication of her duty. 800,000 government employees are suffering at his hands. You don't reward him by giving him a microphone to lie from the well of Congress while he keeps the government shut down. Not petty or pointless at all, imo.
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:07 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
Heartburn wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
Maybe, but when your opponents (Trump and McConnell) only respond to pure power politics, I don't mind her punching back. IMO, it's terribly insulting that this guy wants to give another campaign speech (which is what it's going to be inevitably) while people are working without pay or not working at all.
Punch back by letting them dig a hole. Expose the lies I know they will tell. Expose them over and over again with proof.
The hole they have dug is deep enough. Don't lower a mic into the hole so they can keep spewing garbage, especially when it's at the expense of the entire government. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:13 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
It's a move that strikes at the heart of emotional Trumpers more so than the logical Democrats in our country. The fact that you think it's pointless is actually a good sign. Trump and Trumpers specialize in pointless gestures. Oh and power moves that leave the opposition helpless. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
I imagine most Americans would agree with you. Still, there is a reason to deny Trump a podium to indoctrinate the people and spew his propaganda to get his way. Yes, it is his right to give the speech, but it is also the right of Federal workers to get paid.
As such, I will have to agree with Nancy, even if it is petty.
The President has shut the government down and refuses to re-open it. He just gave a televised address to the nation. If he wants to be on TV again he should re-open the government. _________________ 14-5-3-12
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:22 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Just to be clear, Pelosi said if he ended the government shutdown, they could work on the date for the SOTU. It was up to him. But he's the baby man drama queen traitor from hell, so no SOTU propaganda from well of Congress for you.
Not a fan of this move by Pelosi. Just comes across as pointless and petty.
She is checking the Executive branch, that's her job. More power to her.
Letting him give a SOTU like everything is normal would be an abdication of her duty. 800,000 government employees are suffering at his hands. You don't reward him by giving him a microphone to lie from the well of Congress while he keeps the government shut down. Not petty or pointless at all, imo.
Further reflection allows you may have a valid point. Her position as I understand it is to get the government reopened. It may be deemed vindictive and petty by some but may turn out to be effective. She's in a position of power. If she shows Trump she's not willing to go along to get along she may be right in not allowing the SOTU to be given in the chamber. Let him do as he says he'd do, find another place and expose the lies. I'm conflicted. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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