I think it's definitely has a pissing contest element to it the second time Pelosi denied Trump the SOTU but it works so gotta give her the credit... I mean, when did the last time Trump 'yield' in politics
PSA: Kamala Harris is going to be interviewed by Rachel Maddow tonight.
Yes she was and yes she was quite dynamic. She's a force and one I will play very close attention to. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
I actually feel bad for people like ring finger. Given some financial success in their lives, they seem to want to shill for the MAGA people who don’t hold them any more human or worthwhile than the master held the house slaves as higher than the field slaves. Selling out your brothers and sisters doesnt make you less of a savage to them, it just makes you a stupid and useful savage to them.
Exhibit A on why it's almost a virtual guarantee I won't be voting blue.
And selling out my brothers and sisters? Wow, you're calling me an Uncle Tom? That seems mildly inappropriate.
You do realize, that this sort of rhetoric is precisely what creates MAGA people don't you? You probably don't realize it, since I don't believe it is your intention, but positions like this put people in a place where the only thing left to do is accept and own their label. It reinforces group membership. Basic psychology 101.
I said it in here years ago, pre-Trump, that the virtue signaling and public shaming, the use of our skin color and other minority issues as props, would only create more divisiveness over time, not less. What started out as good intentions has just snowballed into a mess that is destined to eat itself in the race to the bottom.
We all had a good thing going. We were making progress, in some areas, very much so. But now the left, particularly the extremists, have been equally complicit in ruining it. It should tell the Dems something about their strategy when they couldn't even beat what I think we would all agree is the worst presidential candidate in the history of the United States.
It shouldn't be that hard. All they have to do is get out of their own way. And I'll be happy when they do, so they can be the party of reason instead of derangement once again.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:34 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
I actually feel bad for people like ring finger. Given some financial success in their lives, they seem to want to shill for the MAGA people who don’t hold them any more human or worthwhile than the master held the house slaves as higher than the field slaves. Selling out your brothers and sisters doesnt make you less of a savage to them, it just makes you a stupid and useful savage to them.
Exhibit A on why it's almost a virtual guarantee I won't be voting blue.
And selling out my brothers and sisters? Wow, you're calling me an Uncle Tom? That seems mildly inappropriate.
You do realize, that this sort of rhetoric is precisely what creates MAGA people don't you? You probably don't realize it, since I don't believe it is your intention, but positions like this put people in a place where the only thing left to do is accept and own their label. It reinforces group membership. Basic psychology 101.
I said it in here years ago, pre-Trump, that the virtue signaling and public shaming, the use of our skin color and other minority issues as props, would only create more divisiveness over time, not less. What started out as good intentions has just snowballed into a mess that is destined to eat itself in the race to the bottom.
We all had a good thing going. We were making progress, in some areas, very much so. But now the left, particularly the extremists, have been equally complicit in ruining it. It should tell the Dems something about their strategy when they couldn't even beat what I think we would all agree is the worst presidential candidate in the history of the United States.
It shouldn't be that hard. All they have to do is get out of their own way. And I'll be happy when they do, so they can be the party of reason instead of derangement once again.
Luckily for us we don’t need you to vote for a Democrat. All of your neighbors in Orange County did it for you. How’d that blue wave feel?
I actually feel bad for people like ring finger. Given some financial success in their lives, they seem to want to shill for the MAGA people who don’t hold them any more human or worthwhile than the master held the house slaves as higher than the field slaves. Selling out your brothers and sisters doesnt make you less of a savage to them, it just makes you a stupid and useful savage to them.
Exhibit A on why it's almost a virtual guarantee I won't be voting blue.
And selling out my brothers and sisters? Wow, you're calling me an Uncle Tom? That seems mildly inappropriate.
You do realize, that this sort of rhetoric is precisely what creates MAGA people don't you? You probably don't realize it, since I don't believe it is your intention, but positions like this put people in a place where the only thing left to do is accept and own their label. It reinforces group membership. Basic psychology 101.
I said it in here years ago, pre-Trump, that the virtue signaling and public shaming, the use of our skin color and other minority issues as props, would only create more divisiveness over time, not less. What started out as good intentions has just snowballed into a mess that is destined to eat itself in the race to the bottom.
We all had a good thing going. We were making progress, in some areas, very much so. But now the left, particularly the extremists, have been equally complicit in ruining it. It should tell the Dems something about their strategy when they couldn't even beat what I think we would all agree is the worst presidential candidate in the history of the United States.
It shouldn't be that hard. All they have to do is get out of their own way. And I'll be happy when they do, so they can be the party of reason instead of derangement once again.
Luckily for us we don’t need you to vote for a Democrat. All of your neighbors in Orange County did it for you. How’d that blue wave feel?
It felt ... surprising and yet unsurprising at the same time?
I actually feel bad for people like ring finger. Given some financial success in their lives, they seem to want to shill for the MAGA people who don’t hold them any more human or worthwhile than the master held the house slaves as higher than the field slaves. Selling out your brothers and sisters doesnt make you less of a savage to them, it just makes you a stupid and useful savage to them.
Eh. He's a conservative masquerading as an independent (which is typical of independents) and he gets off on being a contrarian and riling people up. The fact that he's eliminated ALL Democrats from consideration before the field is even determined says it all. He has a MAGA hat he just wears it backwards. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I actually feel bad for people like ring finger. Given some financial success in their lives, they seem to want to shill for the MAGA people who don’t hold them any more human or worthwhile than the master held the house slaves as higher than the field slaves. Selling out your brothers and sisters doesnt make you less of a savage to them, it just makes you a stupid and useful savage to them.
Eh. He's a conservative masquerading as an independent (which is typical of independents) and he gets off on being a contrarian and riling people up. The fact that he's eliminated ALL Democrats from consideration before the field is even determined says it all. He has a MAGA hat he just wears it backwards.
It's true that I hold a number of conservative positions, but at no time have I ever considered myself a conservative.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:36 am Post subject:
governator wrote:
I think it's definitely has a pissing contest element to it the second time Pelosi denied Trump the SOTU but it works so gotta give her the credit... I mean, when did the last time Trump 'yield' in politics
She didn’t deny him a second time. She said he couldn’t come until the shutdown is over. The shutdown is still going on. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:52 am Post subject:
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism.
But sure, it's the Dems fault for calling him out on it. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:07 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism . . .
Called all immigrants from Mexico rapist and drug dealers, defined White Supremacists as "very fine people", referred to African and Caribbean nations as "(bleep) hole countries . . . and the list goes on
It is undeniable that the current racial divide was initiated, driven, expanded and is being sustained by Trump and the GOP . . . absolutely undeniable by anyone of any intelligence and honesty. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism.
But sure, it's the Dems fault for calling him out on it.
I said the Dems are equally complicit. The call out culture employed by the left isn't effective -- that's precisely why we are seeing more divisiveness, not less.
Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean that however you respond to it is effective.
Shaming and scarlet lettering doesn't work. It doesn't work on animals, it doesn't work on children, and it certainly doesn't work on adults. It has the opposite effect. If you call your significant other a fatty every day no matter how much weight they've lost, eventually, a lot of the time they're just going to give up and just be a fatty.
This party took a group of people who elected Barack Obama to a second year team and in a span of less than 4 years pushed them so far away that enough people just said bleep this, I'll just stand over here then. Instead of realizing that and looking within, they're just doubling down on it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:25 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism.
But sure, it's the Dems fault for calling him out on it.
I said the Dems are equally complicit. The call out culture employed by the left isn't effective -- that's precisely why we are seeing more divisiveness, not less.
Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean that however you respond to it is effective.
Shaming and scarlet lettering doesn't work. It doesn't work on animals, it doesn't work on children, and it certainly doesn't work on adults. It has the opposite effect. If you call your significant other a fatty every day no matter how much weight they've lost, eventually, a lot of the time they're just going to give up and just be a fatty.
This party took a group of people who elected Barack Obama to a second year team and in a span of less than 4 years pushed them so far away that enough people just said bleep this, I'll just stand over here then. Instead of realizing that and looking within, they're just doubling down on it.
For a group that does so much finger pointing conservative voters sure seem to get their feelings hurt a lot when their (bleep) behavior is pointed out. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism . . .
Called all immigrants from Mexico rapist and drug dealers, defined White Supremacists as "very fine people", referred to African and Caribbean nations as "(bleep) hole countries . . . and the list goes on
It is undeniable that the current racial divide was initiated, driven, expanded and is being sustained by Trump and the GOP . . . absolutely undeniable by anyone of any intelligence and honesty.
Wrong. The divide was occurring long before Trump, it's just been exacerbated by him and during his tenure.
Even if you want to put all the blame on Trump, fine, then you need to ask yourself how Trump became a thing to begin with among a voter base that should in theory should have gotten younger and elected Obama twice.
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism.
But sure, it's the Dems fault for calling him out on it.
I said the Dems are equally complicit. The call out culture employed by the left isn't effective -- that's precisely why we are seeing more divisiveness, not less.
Just because you disagree with something, that doesn't mean that however you respond to it is effective.
Shaming and scarlet lettering doesn't work. It doesn't work on animals, it doesn't work on children, and it certainly doesn't work on adults. It has the opposite effect. If you call your significant other a fatty every day no matter how much weight they've lost, eventually, a lot of the time they're just going to give up and just be a fatty.
This party took a group of people who elected Barack Obama to a second year team and in a span of less than 4 years pushed them so far away that enough people just said bleep this, I'll just stand over here then. Instead of realizing that and looking within, they're just doubling down on it.
For a group that does so much finger pointing conservative voters sure seem to get their feelings hurt a lot when their (bleep) behavior is pointed out.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:36 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism . . .
Called all immigrants from Mexico rapist and drug dealers, defined White Supremacists as "very fine people", referred to African and Caribbean nations as "(bleep) hole countries . . . and the list goes on
It is undeniable that the current racial divide was initiated, driven, expanded and is being sustained by Trump and the GOP . . . absolutely undeniable by anyone of any intelligence and honesty.
Wrong. The divide was occurring long before Trump, it's just been exacerbated by him and during his tenure.
Do you understand the word "current"? _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
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I think it's definitely has a pissing contest element to it the second time Pelosi denied Trump the SOTU but it works so gotta give her the credit... I mean, when did the last time Trump 'yield' in politics
She didn’t deny him a second time. She said he couldn’t come until the shutdown is over. The shutdown is still going on.
Some people prob see it as purely Pelosi defending the country, I see it as Pelosi playing politics and played it well
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism . . .
Called all immigrants from Mexico rapist and drug dealers, defined White Supremacists as "very fine people", referred to African and Caribbean nations as "(bleep) hole countries . . . and the list goes on
It is undeniable that the current racial divide was initiated, driven, expanded and is being sustained by Trump and the GOP . . . absolutely undeniable by anyone of any intelligence and honesty.
Wrong. The divide was occurring long before Trump, it's just been exacerbated by him and during his tenure.
Do you understand the word "current"?
Of course I do. But "current" is a subjective term. I assumed it meant "over the past few years". What's your timeframe for "current"?
I'm pretty sure the article I referenced was posted before he even announced he was running. The signs and growing trends were there long before Trump. He's really more the byproduct of our collective failure.
Of course I do. But "current" is a subjective term. I assumed it meant "over the past few years". What's your timeframe for "current"?
I'm pretty sure the article I referenced was posted before he even announced he was running. The signs and growing trends were there long before Trump. He's really more the byproduct of our collective failure.
Haha, c'mon, now. You just glossed over current on this one. Don't reply with, "Current? Whatever do you meaaan, current?..." _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
Of course I do. But "current" is a subjective term. I assumed it meant "over the past few years". What's your timeframe for "current"?
I'm pretty sure the article I referenced was posted before he even announced he was running. The signs and growing trends were there long before Trump. He's really more the byproduct of our collective failure.
Haha, c'mon, now. You just glossed over current on this one. Don't reply with, "Current? Whatever do you meaaan, current?..."
Well, it's not clear. He brought up examples of things Trump did before he was even President. I did the same.
The current divide, I'm arguing, started well before Trump. There's no doubt it is worse now with him in office. But the reason it is worse has equal blame on both sides. The tactics employed by the left got him here to begin with, and instead of changing course, they are doubling down on it. It's too much for me. Sorry.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:32 am Post subject:
non-player zealot wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Of course I do. But "current" is a subjective term. I assumed it meant "over the past few years". What's your timeframe for "current"?
I'm pretty sure the article I referenced was posted before he even announced he was running. The signs and growing trends were there long before Trump. He's really more the byproduct of our collective failure.
Haha, c'mon, now. You just glossed over current on this one. Don't reply with, "Current? Whatever do you meaaan, current?..."
It's just another example of rf's silly semantics games to further his disingenuousness. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:36 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Love how Ring blames the Dems for racial and ethnic division in politics. When Trump created a self proclaimed Muslim ban, killed refugees in a concentration camp, let Americans die in Puerto Rico due to a lack of food and water, encouraged police brutality, attacked an American judge for having an Hispanic last name, and started birtherism . . .
Called all immigrants from Mexico rapist and drug dealers, defined White Supremacists as "very fine people", referred to African and Caribbean nations as "(bleep) hole countries . . . and the list goes on
It is undeniable that the current racial divide was initiated, driven, expanded and is being sustained by Trump and the GOP . . . absolutely undeniable by anyone of any intelligence and honesty.
Wrong. The divide was occurring long before Trump, it's just been exacerbated by him and during his tenure.
That's true. The racism in politics started before Trump. Barry Goldwater is another Republican that immediately comes to mind.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:36 am Post subject:
ringfinger wrote:
non-player zealot wrote:
ringfinger wrote:
Of course I do. But "current" is a subjective term. I assumed it meant "over the past few years". What's your timeframe for "current"?
I'm pretty sure the article I referenced was posted before he even announced he was running. The signs and growing trends were there long before Trump. He's really more the byproduct of our collective failure.
Haha, c'mon, now. You just glossed over current on this one. Don't reply with, "Current? Whatever do you meaaan, current?..."
Well, it's not clear. He brought up examples of things Trump did before he was even President.
No, the things I mentioned all happened during his presidency with the exception of the comment about immigrants which he made during his campaign. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:46 am Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Nancy Pelosi knows that Trump can get absolutely nothing from a shutdown, or else he will do it over and over again. He must yield before he can get anything.
Thinking Trump will yield is a huge miscalculation, as we will see when he defies this alleged concession he made today.
Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said Wednesday night he is postponing his State of the Union address until the partial government shutdown ends, yielding after a weeklong showdown with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
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