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| ringfinger wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | MAGA voters have shown a willingness to sacrifice their own well being if it screws over minorities or Libs. |
I’m sure there are some that feel that way, but I don’t think the average voter really cares for anything other than what is in their best interests. |
You don't want to understand...you buy it...you own it. Simple enough? |
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[quote="Huey Lewis & The News"] | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep).[/quote
у тебя есть шутки
It is a complete compliment that the "hardest wingnut conservative group" wouldn't pick me. The most news praising, left wing sheeple group would send you. Nice to meet you, you are exactly what I thought you would be.
Yes I stand for free speech, medical freedom (that includes choosing which vaccines do and do not enter my children.), and that you and your kind are sheep (and that sometimes means your bahhh starts to echo.) |
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| realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep). |
What??? To think for yourself your scolded here lol. That’s what you do is to talk (bleep) and bully people if they don’t fall in line! You call names and give people labels while complaining that we shouldn’t have labels. I am not a conservative, I’m not anti vax, but I will sure question and not believe everything thing I here from networks paid for by lobbyists that have an agenda. I have no problem if anyone votes for anybody or anything as long as I have a right to do what I want. Your little bully tactics made me a Trump voter!!! |
You start off by criticizing that he scolded you for thinking like yourself, and then you conclude by saying, that his tactics made you a Trump voter, which tells me me you are only reactionary and have a problem thinking for yourself. |
Not that simple. Doing research and finding out how corrupt the media, FBI, and our politicians are and trying convince us other wise is nonsense. Being Bullied by the media, Facebook,Twitter, internet warriors and other big plat forms by changing their codes to favor Democrats and feeding us Fake News Fox isn’t exempt Made me question everything. I like a lot of what you guys say on Lakersground but differ on politics but I’m ok with it are you?
Do I think we should inject the amount of chemicals in brand new babies and not question the consequences? In America we have a massive amount of bebies dying as a newborn and we have state-of-the-art medicine. I did throw a lot of (bleep) out there but I thought most would agree for peoples choice, and limiting Lobbyists |
OK. So, since you stated you have done your research, I'll ask a second time: Give me some examples, with evidence substantiating, of how the media is corrupt. |
Хорошо, все мое дерьмо бот сделано, и я готов вас всех в школу.
You want evidence of media corruption. Here is just a few examples of when the news sold us the wrong angle to a story. They change the narrative and tell half stories to divide people and create viewers.
First story, MAGA IS BAD
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/01/19/maga-video-teens-native-american-unfiltered-vpx.cnn
Real story, teens were actually the ones being bullied.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html
Another example, on every station they are screaming for gun control and praising New Zealand for their quick actions.
Meanwhile the midwest is under water, hundreds are stranded, people are dying TODAY and no one has said a word.
Don't get me started on all the pictures shared of "kids at the wall" "kids separated from families" and then it turns out most those pictures were either during Obama or during protests.
Those are just a few of the stories I can think of off the top of my head. Do you need more? |
Translation All right, all my $hit bot done, and I'm ready for you all to school. Translated from Russian.
Do you really want anyone to take you seriously?
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| jodeke wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep). |
What??? To think for yourself your scolded here lol. That’s what you do is to talk (bleep) and bully people if they don’t fall in line! You call names and give people labels while complaining that we shouldn’t have labels. I am not a conservative, I’m not anti vax, but I will sure question and not believe everything thing I here from networks paid for by lobbyists that have an agenda. I have no problem if anyone votes for anybody or anything as long as I have a right to do what I want. Your little bully tactics made me a Trump voter!!! |
You start off by criticizing that he scolded you for thinking like yourself, and then you conclude by saying, that his tactics made you a Trump voter, which tells me me you are only reactionary and have a problem thinking for yourself. |
Not that simple. Doing research and finding out how corrupt the media, FBI, and our politicians are and trying convince us other wise is nonsense. Being Bullied by the media, Facebook,Twitter, internet warriors and other big plat forms by changing their codes to favor Democrats and feeding us Fake News Fox isn’t exempt Made me question everything. I like a lot of what you guys say on Lakersground but differ on politics but I’m ok with it are you?
Do I think we should inject the amount of chemicals in brand new babies and not question the consequences? In America we have a massive amount of bebies dying as a newborn and we have state-of-the-art medicine. I did throw a lot of (bleep) out there but I thought most would agree for peoples choice, and limiting Lobbyists |
OK. So, since you stated you have done your research, I'll ask a second time: Give me some examples, with evidence substantiating, of how the media is corrupt. |
Хорошо, все мое дерьмо бот сделано, и я готов вас всех в школу.
You want evidence of media corruption. Here is just a few examples of when the news sold us the wrong angle to a story. They change the narrative and tell half stories to divide people and create viewers.
First story, MAGA IS BAD
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/01/19/maga-video-teens-native-american-unfiltered-vpx.cnn
Real story, teens were actually the ones being bullied.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html
Another example, on every station they are screaming for gun control and praising New Zealand for their quick actions.
Meanwhile the midwest is under water, hundreds are stranded, people are dying TODAY and no one has said a word.
Don't get me started on all the pictures shared of "kids at the wall" "kids separated from families" and then it turns out most those pictures were either during Obama or during protests.
Those are just a few of the stories I can think of off the top of my head. Do you need more? |
Translation All right, all my $hit bot done, and I'm ready for you all to school.
Do you really want anyone to take you seriously? |
you can't make this stuff up...let's hope he really doesn't have a vote...very likely |
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| realking24 wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep). |
у тебя есть шутки
It is a complete compliment that the "hardest wingnut conservative group" wouldn't pick me. The most news praising, left wing sheeple group would send you. Nice to meet you, you are exactly what I thought you would be.
Yes I stand for free speech, medical freedom (that includes choosing which vaccines do and do not enter my children.), and that you and your kind are sheep (and that sometimes means your bahhh starts to echo.) |
Looks like our resident Russian has been hitting the Vodka hard this evening.
Ochen horresho!
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VicXLakers
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep). |
у тебя есть шутки
It is a complete compliment that the "hardest wingnut conservative group" wouldn't pick me. The most news praising, left wing sheeple group would send you. Nice to meet you, you are exactly what I thought you would be.
Yes I stand for free speech, medical freedom (that includes choosing which vaccines do and do not enter my children.), and that you and your kind are sheep (and that sometimes means your bahhh starts to echo.) |
Looks like our resident Russian has been hitting the Vodka hard this evening.
Ochen horresho! |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | MAGA voters have shown a willingness to sacrifice their own well being if it screws over minorities or Libs. |
I’m sure there are some that feel that way, but I don’t think the average voter really cares for anything other than what is in their best interests. |
You don't want to understand...you buy it...you own it. Simple enough? |
Is it so hard for you to think that maybe he is passing more than the 3 laws your saw on your sacred CNN. He has helped a lot of people including libs and minorities. He has increased jobs across the US, those jobs were not only created for white Republicans.
He stopped making people who couldn't afford Obama care have to pay for not being able to afford Obama care.
He as brought troops home, like so many before him have promised.
The economy is booming.
Twitter is more popular than ever.
Do I need to go on?? Maybe you should read this article that just says the same thing I said over again, but its from forbes so maybe you'll actually believe it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/02/26/why-president-trump-will-likely-be-reelected-and-what-it-means-for-global-security/#5ec27f0841cb
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep). |
у тебя есть шутки
It is a complete compliment that the "hardest wingnut conservative group" wouldn't pick me. The most news praising, left wing sheeple group would send you. Nice to meet you, you are exactly what I thought you would be.
Yes I stand for free speech, medical freedom (that includes choosing which vaccines do and do not enter my children.), and that you and your kind are sheep (and that sometimes means your bahhh starts to echo.) |
Looks like our resident Russian has been hitting the Vodka hard this evening.
Ochen horresho! |
Это все, что у тебя есть. предсказуемый |
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VicXLakers
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| realking24 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | MAGA voters have shown a willingness to sacrifice their own well being if it screws over minorities or Libs. |
I’m sure there are some that feel that way, but I don’t think the average voter really cares for anything other than what is in their best interests. |
You don't want to understand...you buy it...you own it. Simple enough? |
Is it so hard for you to think that maybe he is passing more than the 3 laws your saw on your sacred CNN. He has helped a lot of people including libs and minorities. He has increased jobs across the US, those jobs were not only created for white Republicans.
He stopped making people who couldn't afford Obama care have to pay for not being able to afford Obama care.
He as brought troops home, like so many before him have promised.
The economy is booming.
Twitter is more popular than ever.
Do I need to go on?? Maybe you should read this article that just says the same thing I said over again, but its from forbes so maybe you'll actually believe it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/02/26/why-president-trump-will-likely-be-reelected-and-what-it-means-for-global-security/#5ec27f0841cb
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
The rich ones do. But I don’t think the MAGA hatters do, if that’s who you mean by the average trump voter. |
Are you joking? Every trump voter supports welfare for the wealthy,tax cuts for corporations and deregulation of pollution standards by their vote...
They cannot deny that  |
Just my opinion, but I don’t think the MAGA hatters care about any of that so long as they feel they are benefitting more at the same time.
Maybe I’m stereotyping, but its hard for me to imagine a MAGA hatter worrying about pollution, at least, to a sufficient degree to prioritize over their own expected financial well being. If that makes any sense. |
STOP... a vote for trump is a vote for all he does and all he stands for. period |
I get that is the binary way we think we think these days, but I just don’t agree. I don’t think that is any more true than the idea that you have to be against everything he has said and done either although I’m sure that’s the case for most of it. |
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Not to mention Trump won in 2016 on white identity politics. Identity politics basically drives a ton of voting patterns.
Actually the country is far more liberal on economic policy than it is on social matters -- Warren's wealth tax polled at something like 60-20, including 50-30 for Republicans (according to Vox) . Obviously that will polarize, but I think the point remains. I don't think being a self-proclaimed socialist would hurt Bernie all that much. I think social issues are much more divided especially after adjusting for the electoral college bias.
Problem for a Democrat is that it's hard to not address social issues/ "identity politics" when that's really important to your base. Not to mention Trump is good at inciting tensions on these issues. |
I agree. Progressive economic policy polls better than social policy. But economic policy isn't a deciding factor for the majority of Republican voters. Conservative economic policy which makes the rich richer doesn't appeal to Trump's poor white base. The people McCain rejected in 2008 when he stopped an audience member at his rally from calling Obama "Arab". Those people, if you appeal to their anger and prejudice, actively vote against their our economic self interest. And that's why Trump succeeded where McCain and Romney failed.
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | Wow what an Echo chamber! |
Look here pops, you marked yourself with almost every bottom-drawer parrot line there ever was. Anti-vax, echo chamber, fake news. lol echo chamber or not, not even the hardest wingnut conservative facebook group would send you out as representative of their best of breed. Stop now. Don't waste anyone's time with this bull (bleep). |
What??? To think for yourself your scolded here lol. That’s what you do is to talk (bleep) and bully people if they don’t fall in line! You call names and give people labels while complaining that we shouldn’t have labels. I am not a conservative, I’m not anti vax, but I will sure question and not believe everything thing I here from networks paid for by lobbyists that have an agenda. I have no problem if anyone votes for anybody or anything as long as I have a right to do what I want. Your little bully tactics made me a Trump voter!!! |
You start off by criticizing that he scolded you for thinking like yourself, and then you conclude by saying, that his tactics made you a Trump voter, which tells me me you are only reactionary and have a problem thinking for yourself. |
Not that simple. Doing research and finding out how corrupt the media, FBI, and our politicians are and trying convince us other wise is nonsense. Being Bullied by the media, Facebook,Twitter, internet warriors and other big plat forms by changing their codes to favor Democrats and feeding us Fake News Fox isn’t exempt Made me question everything. I like a lot of what you guys say on Lakersground but differ on politics but I’m ok with it are you?
Do I think we should inject the amount of chemicals in brand new babies and not question the consequences? In America we have a massive amount of bebies dying as a newborn and we have state-of-the-art medicine. I did throw a lot of (bleep) out there but I thought most would agree for peoples choice, and limiting Lobbyists |
OK. So, since you stated you have done your research, I'll ask a second time: Give me some examples, with evidence substantiating, of how the media is corrupt. |
Хорошо, все мое дерьмо бот сделано, и я готов вас всех в школу.
You want evidence of media corruption. Here is just a few examples of when the news sold us the wrong angle to a story. They change the narrative and tell half stories to divide people and create viewers.
First story, MAGA IS BAD
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/01/19/maga-video-teens-native-american-unfiltered-vpx.cnn
Real story, teens were actually the ones being bullied.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/teens-mock-native-elder-trnd/index.html
Another example, on every station they are screaming for gun control and praising New Zealand for their quick actions.
Meanwhile the midwest is under water, hundreds are stranded, people are dying TODAY and no one has said a word.
Don't get me started on all the pictures shared of "kids at the wall" "kids separated from families" and then it turns out most those pictures were either during Obama or during protests.
Those are just a few of the stories I can think of off the top of my head. Do you need more? |
Translation All right, all my $hit bot done, and I'm ready for you all to school.
Do you really want anyone to take you seriously? |
you can't make this stuff up...let's hope he really doesn't have a vote...very likely |
MAGA 2020
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/02/26/why-president-trump-will-likely-be-reelected-and-what-it-means-for-global-security/#7cbb33e941cb |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
The rich ones do. But I don’t think the MAGA hatters do, if that’s who you mean by the average trump voter. |
Are you joking? Every trump voter supports welfare for the wealthy,tax cuts for corporations and deregulation of pollution standards by their vote...
They cannot deny that |
Just my opinion, but I don’t think the MAGA hatters care about any of that so long as they feel they are benefitting more at the same time.
Maybe I’m stereotyping, but its hard for me to imagine a MAGA hatter worrying about pollution, at least, to a sufficient degree to prioritize over their own expected financial well being. If that makes any sense. |
STOP... a vote for trump is a vote for all he does and all he stands for. period |
I get that is the binary way we think we think these days, but I just don’t agree. I don’t think that is any more true than the idea that you have to be against everything he has said and done either although I’m sure that’s the case for most of it. |
the bad outweighs the good by ten to one so go ahead and keep lying to yourself that your vote didn't cause the problems |
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realking24 not trying to hide he's a Russian bot anymore. He's posting in the language. LINK Unless you're having fun. 
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | realking24 wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | MAGA voters have shown a willingness to sacrifice their own well being if it screws over minorities or Libs. |
I’m sure there are some that feel that way, but I don’t think the average voter really cares for anything other than what is in their best interests. |
You don't want to understand...you buy it...you own it. Simple enough? |
Is it so hard for you to think that maybe he is passing more than the 3 laws your saw on your sacred CNN. He has helped a lot of people including libs and minorities. He has increased jobs across the US, those jobs were not only created for white Republicans.
He stopped making people who couldn't afford Obama care have to pay for not being able to afford Obama care.
He as brought troops home, like so many before him have promised.
The economy is booming.
Twitter is more popular than ever.
Do I need to go on?? Maybe you should read this article that just says the same thing I said over again, but its from forbes so maybe you'll actually believe it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/02/26/why-president-trump-will-likely-be-reelected-and-what-it-means-for-global-security/#5ec27f0841cb
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you only get your news from right wing sources Boris |
And you only get yours from the left, I'll show you the good of trump, you show me the bad. Besides his own tweets, we can both agree those are bad. But you can't show bad that was allowed during Obama like kids separated at the wall... If Obama wasn't ostracized, you for it your can't be mad at the trump for the same thing. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | realking24 not trying to hide he's a Russian bot anymore. He's posting in the language. LINK Unless you're having fun. |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: |
The rich ones do. But I don’t think the MAGA hatters do, if that’s who you mean by the average trump voter. |
Are you joking? Every trump voter supports welfare for the wealthy,tax cuts for corporations and deregulation of pollution standards by their vote...
They cannot deny that |
Just my opinion, but I don’t think the MAGA hatters care about any of that so long as they feel they are benefitting more at the same time.
Maybe I’m stereotyping, but its hard for me to imagine a MAGA hatter worrying about pollution, at least, to a sufficient degree to prioritize over their own expected financial well being. If that makes any sense. |
STOP... a vote for trump is a vote for all he does and all he stands for. period |
I get that is the binary way we think we think these days, but I just don’t agree. I don’t think that is any more true than the idea that you have to be against everything he has said and done either although I’m sure that’s the case for most of it. |
the bad outweighs the good by ten to one so go ahead and keep lying to yourself that your vote didn't cause the problems |
I voted for Hillary bro. Said it on election night here or right around then if you want to dig it up.
All I’m saying is that I don’t really think your average Trump voter is really aware or all that interested in issues like pollution.
If you really think they are taking the time and effort to do so and are casting their vote accordingly, then you do you on that one. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | tox wrote: |
Not to mention Trump won in 2016 on white identity politics. Identity politics basically drives a ton of voting patterns.
Actually the country is far more liberal on economic policy than it is on social matters -- Warren's wealth tax polled at something like 60-20, including 50-30 for Republicans (according to Vox) . Obviously that will polarize, but I think the point remains. I don't think being a self-proclaimed socialist would hurt Bernie all that much. I think social issues are much more divided especially after adjusting for the electoral college bias.
Problem for a Democrat is that it's hard to not address social issues/ "identity politics" when that's really important to your base. Not to mention Trump is good at inciting tensions on these issues. |
I agree. Progressive economic policy polls better than social issues. But economic policy isn't a deciding factor for the majority of Republican voters. Conservative economic policy which makes the rich richer doesn't appeal to Trump's poor white base. The people McCain rejected in 2008 when he stopped an audience member at his rally from calling Obama "Arab". Those people, if you appeal to their anger and prejudice, actively vote against their our economic self interest. And that's why Trump succeeded where McCain and Romney failed. |
I don't think that's why McCain lost, any Republican was going to lose following W., especially against candidate Obama.
But I mostly agree with your assessment of Trump voters. I was just doing some reading and it contradicted my own understanding of Trump voters. My thought was that a Bernie-type person (anti-establishment & progressive but not focused on identity politics) could win back Obama-Trump voters... but nope, it was really just attitudes about race and immigrants. They like Trump for this stuff and I have no real hope of Dems getting them back.
So you're right, my initial premise that an economically progressive agenda could win back those voters is incorrect. I now understand why Pelosi had that particular agenda for winning back the House -- particularly, picking off moderate suburban women who might not respond well to super progressive policies.
I suspect that those women would ultimately choose a progressive Democrat over Trump but that the progressive economic politics will need to be couched as reform and pro-middle class (Kamala's middle class tax cuts being a good example) as opposed to self-proclaimed socialist. Socially IMO you're not going to win anyone who supports Trump's social agenda so it's a race to the left to see how much energy you can get from millennials and minorities. |
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Now THIS is entertainment. Bravo KinsKuff...
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He lives in an America where trolling is ... Presidential. Where conservative propaganda is called news (Fox News/AM radio). Where Trump telling thousands of lies doesn't matter. And where climate change boils down to "what can we do?"
As long as a straight white man is President and minorities are worse off. The realkings of the country are happy. Sounds simplistic. But it's true. And the rich "moderates" who vote with the realkings have no integrity.
Also, in regards to realking, if someone doesn't vaccine their child they should be in jail. Public safety, child endangerment, heck I could make an argument for abuse.
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| It’s not just trump’s tweet that are bad, hate crimes have gone up and hard to argue it’s not due to trump or his encouragements |
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Not to mention Trump won in 2016 on white identity politics. Identity politics basically drives a ton of voting patterns. |
It really is something that right wingers can bemoan the use of identity politics while being completely unaware of the GOPs nasty deployment of it. Hold on one second, there’s a trans person barging their way into my bathroom.
Ok I’m back. If someone is truly against identity politics then fine. But you can’t disqualify a Democrat on the grounds of identity politics and then vote for Trump. At least without admitting his cruel form of it tickles your fancy.
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