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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject:

Nancy and Chuck weigh in:

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Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer: Attorney General Barr Deliberately Distorted Significant Portions Of Special Counsel Mueller’s Report APRIL 18, 2019

Washington, D.C. – Today, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer released the following joint statement.


“What we’ve learned today is that Attorney General Barr deliberately distorted significant portions of Special Counsel Mueller’s report.

Special Counsel Mueller’s report paints a disturbing picture of a president who has been weaving a web of deceit, lies and improper behavior and acting as if the law doesn’t apply to him. But if you hadn’t read the report and listened only to Mr. Barr, you wouldn’t have known any of that because Mr. Barr has been so misleading.

“There are at least four significant ways that Mr. Barr has misled the public on the contents of the Mueller report:

Attorney General Barr led us to believe that the Office of Legal Counsel opinion did not play a significant role in Special Counsel Mueller’s refusal to make a decision on obstruction. In fact, the report shows the opinion played a major role, and probably the decisive, role in Special Counsel Mueller’s decision not to reach a conclusion.

Attorney General Barr presented a conclusion that the president did not obstruct justice but Special Counsel Mueller’s report cites several instances of presidential action that appear to undercut that finding.

Third, the special counsel’s own words directly and dramatically undercut Attorney General Barr’s claim that the president fully cooperated with the Special Counsel’s investigation. As the report shows, the president in fact did the opposite – from firing the FBI Director, to pressuring senior officials to lie, to refusing to testify, to attempting to fire the special counsel himself.

Lastly, the special counsel’s report confirms that members of the Trump campaign were aware of Russian attempts to interfere with the election, but instead of reporting this to the federal authorities, like any patriotic American would have done, the Trump campaign and President Trump himself openly encouraged it for the purposes of winning a presidential election. That Attorney General Barr omitted this from all of his public statements regarding the report should shake any patriotic American to the core.


Those sound like impeachable offenses to me.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:42 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:58 pm    Post subject:

In searching the Mueller report I could find no instances whereby Mueller declared, "there was no collusion."

I wonder where Barr found that statement.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:18 pm    Post subject:

So this is something, right? This report is going to make the waves that the country needs it to make?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:40 pm    Post subject:

I just remembered I have tickets to see Hillary & Bill speak in person at the Boston Opera House the week after next. Should be extra, extra interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:00 pm    Post subject:

*What a day.. This is all bringing back 9/11 PTSD .. Our country has been attacked and nobody can do anything about it.
*lots of stress typed out.. but I am chill.. just an odd day..

Was researching the ties between Russia/Oliver North/Barr/NRA et al..

Secrecy, Self-Dealing, and Greed at the NRA
>>It pointed out that the NRA
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The NRA is now mainly a media company, promoting a lifestyle built around loving guns and hating anyone who might take them away.

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The platform’s Twitter account circulates videos of the spokesperson Dana Loesch,
a former Breitbart News editor
who has said that mainstream journalists are
“the rat bastards of the earth” and deserve to be “curb-stomped.”


but this stood out
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Oliver North, the former Iran-Contra operative, who now serves as the NRA’s president, is paid roughly $1 million a year through Ackerman


Put in the Millions Mueller is investigating Russia giving to NRA
The N.R.A. Spent $30 Million to Elect Trump. Was It Russian Money?

Oliver North was protected by William Barr
North is head of the top Nation of Ready Aryans/White Supremacist Terrorist Organization?

Barr is protecting the most overtly racist president in modern history

While at the CIA, William Barr drafted letters calling for an end to the Agency’s moratorium on destroying records

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A memo uncovered in the Central Intelligence Agency’s declassified archives shows that during his time at the CIA’s Office of Legislative Council,
current Attorney General William P. Barr drafted letters calling for
the end of the moratorium on destroying records
imposed on the Agency ahead of the Church Committee hearings.


Then this damn *conspiracy type* site lays down serious smack on Barr about being a Deep State CIA Op.. connected to every nook and cranny of of deepest coverups...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ciabushiran-contra-covert-operative-fixer-william-barr-nominated-attorney-general/5662609

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Pay careful attention to the confirmation “hearings”. How many of the senators “questioning” Barr are themselves connected to the Bush/Clinton era criminal operations that Barr supervised as George H.W. Bush’s attorney general?

Will anyone in Washington, or in the CIA asset-filled mainstream media, dare bring up Iran-Contra? Will anyone dare detail Barr’s corruption, and his longstanding ties to the Bush/Clinton network? What about the fact that Barr is best friends with Robert Mueller?

Even the alternative media, including the whistleblowing research-intensive pro-Trump anon community, has been virtually silent on Barr, despite the fact that his criminal history is glaringly obvious, lurid, and begging to be exposed.
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Barr was a key player in the Iran-Contra operation, if not the most important member of the apparatus, simultaneously managing the operation while also “fixing” the legal end, ensuring that all of the operatives could do their jobs without fear of exposure or arrest.

In his attorney general confirmation, Barr vowed to “attack criminal organizations”, drug smugglers and money launderers. It was all hot air: as AG, Barr would preserve, protect, cover up, and nurture the apparatus that he helped create, and use Justice Department power to escape punishment.

Barr stonewalled and stopped investigations into all Bush/Clinton and CIA crimes, including BCCI and BNL CIA drug banking, the theft of Inslaw/PROMIS software, and all crimes of state committed by Bush

Barr provided legal cover for Bush’s illegal foreign policy and war crimes

Barr left Washington, and went through the “rotating door” to the corporate world, where he took on numerous directorships and counsel positions for major companies. In 2007 and again from 2017, Barr was counsel for politically-connected international law firm Kirkland & Ellis. Among its other notable attorneys and alumni are Kenneth Starr, John Bolton, Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, and numerous Trump administration attorneys. K&E’s clients include sex trafficker/pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, and Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:02 pm    Post subject:

Chris Hayes is going to have both Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar (presumably separately) on tonight to talk about Mueller report.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:19 pm    Post subject:

Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
So this is something, right? This report is going to make the waves that the country needs it to make?


Sarcasm? Lol.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:29 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
IMPEACH


Based on what I'm seeing reported.

Bring Ivanka to a public House committee hearing. The other people in the Trump Tower meeting who commented on who was there before the Ivanka news. Bring them back for a public hearing.
And yes. Next step is an impeachment vote.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:55 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
governator wrote:
IMPEACH


Based on what I'm seeing reported.

Bring Ivanka to a public House committee hearing. The other people in the Trump Tower meeting who commented on who was there before the Ivanka news. Bring them back for a public hearing.
And yes. Next step is an impeachment vote.


someday it will be known that daddy came down those back stairs and was at the meeting too
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:13 pm    Post subject:

LIVE
The Mueller Report: Watch As We Read The Whole Thing Live

We're reading the entire Mueller report live. ....you can go back 4 hours. I don't know how close to the beginning it is
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:02 pm    Post subject:

My mistake. Ivanka wasn't at THEE Trump Tower meeting. She just helped plan it.

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Ivanka Trump attended a meeting in which Donald Trump Jr. first mentioned the upcoming June 2016 Trump Tower meeting, Rick Gates testified


https://www.businessinsider.com/ivanka-trump-attended-june-2016-trump-tower-meeting-russian-gates-testified-2019-4
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:30 pm    Post subject:

For those of us who don't have time to read the whole report but want to jump to the juicy parts. here's a great page by page, section by section summary:

A Page-By-Page Guide To The Redacted Mueller Report

There's also a link inside to the whole report
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:11 pm    Post subject:

If Democrats are smart, they shut down this whole Mueller report nonsense and move on to issues that actually matter to voters, and particularly voters from the 12 swing states. These voters care about healthcare, education, tax cuts for the middle class and even climate change. They don't give a damn about the Mueller report. The Democrats need a non-establishement candidate that can connect with middle america .... not one that is just another version of Hillary.

Rachael Meadows and Anderson Cooper can go on and on, but the reality is neither of those 2 will have any impact on the election. It's great for ratings and certainly great for their pocketbooks. What would they cover without Trump giving them content.

Donald ofcourse loves it. He would love to go on and on and on about how the "deep state" is out to get him. He will focus on immigration, the wall, the muslims and all the electoral boogyman he can come up with. And in 2020, the democrats will scratch their head and wonder what went wrong as they watch the Donald once again talk about the record audiences at his inaugural.

The FOX news townhall with Bernie should be enough hint as to what really matters to voters in the swing states.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:29 pm    Post subject:

paymonM wrote:
If Democrats are smart, they shut down this whole Mueller report nonsense and move on to issues that actually matter to voters, and particularly voters from the 12 swing states. These voters care about healthcare, education, tax cuts for the middle class and even climate change. They don't give a damn about the Mueller report. The Democrats need a non-establishement candidate that can connect with middle america .... not one that is just another version of Hillary.

Rachael Meadows and Anderson Cooper can go on and on, but the reality is neither of those 2 will have any impact on the election. It's great for ratings and certainly great for their pocketbooks. What would they cover without Trump giving them content.

Donald ofcourse loves it. He would love to go on and on and on about how the "deep state" is out to get him. He will focus on immigration, the wall, the muslims and all the electoral boogyman he can come up with. And in 2020, the democrats will scratch their head and wonder what went wrong as they watch the Donald once again talk about the record audiences at his inaugural.

The FOX news townhall with Bernie should be enough hint as to what really matters to voters in the swing states.



They can and have been able to address both. No Dem candidate has been running a campaign based on the Mueller report.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:39 pm    Post subject:

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paymonM wrote:
If Democrats are smart, they shut down this whole Mueller report nonsense and move on to issues that actually matter to voters, and particularly voters from the 12 swing states. These voters care about healthcare, education, tax cuts for the middle class and even climate change. They don't give a damn about the Mueller report. The Democrats need a non-establishement candidate that can connect with middle america .... not one that is just another version of Hillary.

Rachael Meadows and Anderson Cooper can go on and on, but the reality is neither of those 2 will have any impact on the election. It's great for ratings and certainly great for their pocketbooks. What would they cover without Trump giving them content.

Donald ofcourse loves it. He would love to go on and on and on about how the "deep state" is out to get him. He will focus on immigration, the wall, the muslims and all the electoral boogyman he can come up with. And in 2020, the democrats will scratch their head and wonder what went wrong as they watch the Donald once again talk about the record audiences at his inaugural.

The FOX news townhall with Bernie should be enough hint as to what really matters to voters in the swing states.



They can and have been able to address both. No Dem candidate has been running a campaign based on the Mueller report.


No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:53 pm    Post subject:

paymonM wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
paymonM wrote:
If Democrats are smart, they shut down this whole Mueller report nonsense and move on to issues that actually matter to voters, and particularly voters from the 12 swing states. These voters care about healthcare, education, tax cuts for the middle class and even climate change. They don't give a damn about the Mueller report. The Democrats need a non-establishement candidate that can connect with middle america .... not one that is just another version of Hillary.

Rachael Meadows and Anderson Cooper can go on and on, but the reality is neither of those 2 will have any impact on the election. It's great for ratings and certainly great for their pocketbooks. What would they cover without Trump giving them content.

Donald ofcourse loves it. He would love to go on and on and on about how the "deep state" is out to get him. He will focus on immigration, the wall, the muslims and all the electoral boogyman he can come up with. And in 2020, the democrats will scratch their head and wonder what went wrong as they watch the Donald once again talk about the record audiences at his inaugural.

The FOX news townhall with Bernie should be enough hint as to what really matters to voters in the swing states.



They can and have been able to address both. No Dem candidate has been running a campaign based on the Mueller report.


No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.


I haven't been to any rallies for any Dem candidates, so I can't speak with your certainty. I have heard, however, that the Mueller Report is not an issue on the campaign trail, at rallies, or fundraisers.

As such, it is not the candidates driving the media. Quite the contrary, what drives this is the public and ratings.

Whether the issues involved in the Mueller report will have any bearing on the election is not settled. Nixon had the people until he didn't, until more and more information became known. Regardless, the issues involved in the Mueller report are important if the rule of law still has any value.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject:

paymonM wrote:
obsessing with this report.


I'd want to hide too if I was a member of trump's idiot nation...

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We learned today that when Donald Trump was first told that Robert Mueller had been appointed special counsel, he said, "This is the end of my presidency. I'm f*cked," according to the just-released, heavily redacted Mueller report.1

Why? It's spelled out in the 108 pages it takes Mueller to detail all of the Trump campaign's "links to and contacts with" the Russian government, a hostile foreign government that was trying to undermine our democracy and elect Trump.

For instance, Mueller documented that Donald Trump Jr. had direct electronic communications with Wikileaks and that "by the late summer of 2016, the Trump Campaign was planning a press strategy, a communications campaign, and messaging based on the possible release of Clinton emails by WikiLeaks."2

The Mueller report then details 11 "episodes" where Trump may have obstructed justice, as he sought to hide his campaign's connections with Russia, but noted that it was Congress' job to investigate and determine consequences for these acts.3
It's called Congressional Oversight and republicans fear it more than taxes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:57 pm    Post subject:

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No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.

Says who? It's been less than a day, we don't know what the electoral fallout is going to be.

You have a predetermined conclusion and are reasoning to get there. Fact is that the week of both Cohen & Manafort led to Trump's lowest approval rating in 2018. People do care (though less than you'd hope) about Trump probably being charged for obstruction of justice were it not DOJ policy to not indict the POTUS.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject:

ribeye wrote:
paymonM wrote:
vanexelent wrote:
paymonM wrote:
If Democrats are smart, they shut down this whole Mueller report nonsense and move on to issues that actually matter to voters, and particularly voters from the 12 swing states. These voters care about healthcare, education, tax cuts for the middle class and even climate change. They don't give a damn about the Mueller report. The Democrats need a non-establishement candidate that can connect with middle america .... not one that is just another version of Hillary.

Rachael Meadows and Anderson Cooper can go on and on, but the reality is neither of those 2 will have any impact on the election. It's great for ratings and certainly great for their pocketbooks. What would they cover without Trump giving them content.

Donald ofcourse loves it. He would love to go on and on and on about how the "deep state" is out to get him. He will focus on immigration, the wall, the muslims and all the electoral boogyman he can come up with. And in 2020, the democrats will scratch their head and wonder what went wrong as they watch the Donald once again talk about the record audiences at his inaugural.

The FOX news townhall with Bernie should be enough hint as to what really matters to voters in the swing states.



They can and have been able to address both. No Dem candidate has been running a campaign based on the Mueller report.


No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.


I haven't been to any rallies for any Dem candidates, so I can't speak with your certainty. I have heard, however, that the Mueller Report is not an issue on the campaign trail, at rallies, or fundraisers.

As such, it is not the candidates driving the media. Quite the contrary, what drives this is the public and ratings.

Whether the issues involved in the Mueller report will have any bearing on the election is not settled. Nixon had the people until he didn't, until more and more information became known. Regardless, the issues involved in the Mueller report are important if the rule of law still has any value.


The issue is not just the candidates. This should be the entire democratic party setting the agenda. If they stop obsessing over the report, the media will eventually stop as well. Yes, Rachael is getting record ratings, but it's not because of independent or republican viewers switching over to watch her show. It's the same hard core fans that would vote democrat anyways that tune in to watch her show.
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First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to
initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial
judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that “the indictment
or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the
executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions” in violation of “the
constitutional separation of powers.”' Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the
Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. § 515;
28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC’s legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising
prosecutorial jurisdiction. And apart from OLC’s constitutional view, we recognized that a federal
criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President’s capacity to
govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.’

Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted,
it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President’s term is permissible? The OLC
opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office
.
’ And if
individuals other than the President committed an obstruction offense, they may be prosecuted at
this time. Given those considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in

(“Recognizing an immunity from prosecution for a sitting President would not
preclude such prosecution once the President’s term is over or he is otherwise removed from office by
resignation or impeachment”
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redacted

safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual

- investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary
materials were available.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:31 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
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No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.

Says who? It's been less than a day, we don't know what the electoral fallout is going to be.

You have a predetermined conclusion and are reasoning to get there. Fact is that the week of both Cohen & Manafort led to Trump's lowest approval rating in 2018. People do care (though less than you'd hope) about Trump probably being charged for obstruction of justice were it not DOJ policy to not indict the POTUS.


the same polls that had Hillary winning in a landslide ? There is a big disconnect between what the networks and all the pundits cover and what actually matters to the people.

If DT won, it's because there is a large segment of the population that is fed up with the status quo. They don't give a hoot about cohen or manafort.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

paymonM wrote:
tox wrote:
paymonM wrote:

No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.

Says who? It's been less than a day, we don't know what the electoral fallout is going to be.

You have a predetermined conclusion and are reasoning to get there. Fact is that the week of [b]both Cohen & Manafort led to Trump's lowest approval rating in 2018.[/b] People do care (though less than you'd hope) about Trump probably being charged for obstruction of justice were it not DOJ policy to not indict the POTUS.


the same polls that had Hillary winning in a landslide ? There is a big disconnect between what the networks and all the pundits cover and what actually matters to the people.

If DT won, it's because there is a large segment of the population that is fed up with the status quo. They don't give a hoot about cohen or manafort.

Lol the polls were accurate, they had Hillary +3 on election day and she won by 3%. Were they off in some key swing states? Yeah, within standard polling miss. There's a reason 538 only gave Hillary a 70% chance of winning (same percentage as LeBron making a free throw). 70% != 100%. But hey, keep flaunting your innumeracy.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject:

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Lol the polls were accurate, they had Hillary +3 on election day and she won by 3%. Were they off in some key swing states? Yeah, within standard polling miss. There's a reason 538 only gave Hillary a 70% chance of winning (same percentage as LeBron making a free throw). 70% != 100%. But hey, keep flaunting your innumeracy.


if trump had won by 3% he would have called it a landslide...he tried to say his electoral win was a mandate

I realized at twelve years old that some people just ignore facts even when they are right in their faces...They were some of the smarter better dressed kids.
it comes from a sense of entitlement I believe
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:58 pm    Post subject:

tox wrote:
paymonM wrote:
tox wrote:
paymonM wrote:

No, they haven't been able to address both. They're losing the PR battle.


The whole democratic party, not just the candidates, needs to stop obsessing with this report. Once they stop, the media will eventually stop as well.

Says who? It's been less than a day, we don't know what the electoral fallout is going to be.

You have a predetermined conclusion and are reasoning to get there. Fact is that the week of [b]both Cohen & Manafort led to Trump's lowest approval rating in 2018.[/b] People do care (though less than you'd hope) about Trump probably being charged for obstruction of justice were it not DOJ policy to not indict the POTUS.


the same polls that had Hillary winning in a landslide ? There is a big disconnect between what the networks and all the pundits cover and what actually matters to the people.

If DT won, it's because there is a large segment of the population that is fed up with the status quo. They don't give a hoot about cohen or manafort.

Lol the polls were accurate, they had Hillary +3 on election day and she won by 3%. Were they off in some key swing states? Yeah, within standard polling miss. There's a reason 538 only gave Hillary a 70% chance of winning (same percentage as LeBron making a free throw). 70% != 100%. But hey, keep flaunting your innumeracy.


spot on. I wasn't aware the popular vote elected the president. Thanks for catching my "innumeracy".


Here is some relevant facts that actually determine a presidency for you to innumerate:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/10660/just-how-wrong-were-pollsters-final-polls-vs-final-james-barrett


"On the morning of the election, Real Clear Politics' average of the national polls showed Clinton with a 3.3% national lead over Trump and a projected Electoral College victory of 272 to 266. Instead, Clinton ended up with only a 0.2% popular vote advantage and suffering a devastating 232 to 306 loss. At no point before the election did the state poll averages show Trump winning the necessary 270 electoral votes."

Though the poll averages showed Clinton winning Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, Trump ended up winning all three, outperforming projections by 3 points, 4.4 points, and a stunning 7.5 points, respectively. Here is how the electoral map actually shaped up: Trump over Clinton, 306 to 232 (Michigan going to Trump and NH to Clinton):
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