I just like to always bear in mind that 49 Republicans in the house and eight in the Senate lost their seats after spending a year defending Nixon's corruption.
senior Dem aide on Speaker/impeachment: “contrary to popular belief, Pelosi isn’t giving members a red light. She’s telling them to do what’s right for them and their district. But Ukraine stuff may be breaking point. goes to whether we can actually have free/fair 2020 election”
"You know, Lester, when I fired Comey I was thinking of that Russia thing."
"Russia, if you're listening...."
Just because he says the corrupt thing OUT LOUD doesn't mean it's not corrupt. It doesn't have to be on a super duper secret recording for it to be illegal, treasonous, corrupt and rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:53 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
Apparently we've moved onto the, "Yeah I did it, so what? There's nothing wrong with it." stage. And his lackeys on the Sunday shows including the Secretary of State are, "Yeah, he did it so what?"
Really, they all need to be impeached, Trump, Barr, Pence, Pompeo and everyone in his cabinet who approves and endorses this treason against the United States of America.
This is how dictatorships are born. If you don't make them pay a price now, what will stop them from other schemes to steal the election and who will stop them?
When you see riots in other countries you think, well it's not like that here so it must not be so bad
It is more difficult to travel to a place and protest here in America and don't doubt the cruelty that's coming. Trump help some state where they have pipeline development get a law passed jailing protestors for 25 years. Some judge has blocked it
Trump is a gross master of diversion
He is now pushing more cruel immigration policies
Kids in cages no longer on TV because of all the other (bleep) that electing a heaping pile of (bleep) would bring
Epstein no longer on TV
Mueller who?
Barr none?
Trump now says he wishes 'they release' his call with Ukraine's president, in which he says he talked about both Joe and Hunter Biden and 'corruption taking place'"
ofcourse, he really wants to release the recording, but his lawyers will not let him ..... kinda like when he really wanted to talk to Mueller, but his lawyers wouldn't let him
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:26 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
Quote:
John Harwood @JohnJHarwood
senior Dem aide on Speaker/impeachment: “contrary to popular belief, Pelosi isn’t giving members a red light. She’s telling them to do what’s right for them and their district. But Ukraine stuff may be breaking point. goes to whether we can actually have free/fair 2020 election”
Bingo. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:30 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
Apparently we've moved onto the, "Yeah I did it, so what? There's nothing wrong with it." stage. And his lackeys on the Sunday shows including the Secretary of State are, "Yeah, he did it so what?"
Really, they all need to be impeached, Trump, Barr, Pence, Pompeo and everyone in his cabinet who approves and endorses this treason against the United States of America.
This is how dictatorships are born. If you don't make them pay a price now, what will stop them from other schemes to steal the election and who will stop them?
They’ve been doing this for a while. This isn’t the most egregious thing they’ve done. Thus far it hasn’t moved enough people to make impeachment (especially without removal) viable. Will this? We shall see. But this is a game played for keeps. There are no moral victories. You don’t impeach to make a point. Or to fulfill a duty. You do it if it helps you win. Full stop. Because winning is the only moral victory. The lions weren’t more civilized for having faced brave Christians. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:45 pm Post subject:
If we were gonna impeach. We probably would've done it by now. Just make sure you're registered to vote in 2020. GOP is taking people off the voter rolls. Especially in swing states. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:43 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
If we were gonna impeach. We probably would've done it by now. Just make sure you're registered to vote in 2020. GOP is taking people off the voter rolls. Especially in swing states.
Next is to go the southern states and all Republican held states and make sure minorities
Are treated fair and equal during the voting process
Pay the Muslim Brotherhood to drive them there if necessary
Here is an idea for all candidates after they lose the primary
Make a financial commitment to insure if Any one calls a taxi or Uber to get to a polling station
The bill is paid immediately
Democrat or Republican
We need a better Watchdog system on voter abuse
This (bleep) is near international UN NATO Intervention corruption status
I'm sort of Draconian about election tampering.
The current corruption is enough to make any sane human very ill to their stomach
Reducing polling stations so minorities have to wait many hours just to cast a vote?
Erasing voter registration so people can't even vote
Voting Day is the ONE day everyone should be celebrated as your fellow American and
Treated the best possible
We have holidays for religion birthdays wars
Why isn't voting celebrated the same way. The dead US soldiers died so we can keep our democratic system of voting in place as a Model to the world..not for it to become National Traitors Day at the hands of Republicans
Can't wait to see what Barrrump have in store for us on Voting night
Martial Law ?
Apparently we've moved onto the, "Yeah I did it, so what? There's nothing wrong with it." stage. And his lackeys on the Sunday shows including the Secretary of State are, "Yeah, he did it so what?"
Really, they all need to be impeached, Trump, Barr, Pence, Pompeo and everyone in his cabinet who approves and endorses this treason against the United States of America.
This is how dictatorships are born. If you don't make them pay a price now, what will stop them from other schemes to steal the election and who will stop them?
Why so scared of impeachment process with all that are already exposed, Mueller reports, whistleblower, the fact checked lies... this process will not impact the 2020 election, his base is already amped up, the anti-Trump is also amped up... the outcome of an impeachment process not gonna swing the election. Just do your elected job
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:32 am Post subject:
governator wrote:
Why so scared of impeachment process with all that are already exposed, Mueller reports, whistleblower, the fact checked lies... this process will not impact the 2020 election, his base is already amped up, the anti-Trump is also amped up... the outcome of an impeachment process not gonna swing the election. Just do your elected job
Again, impeachment is not a constitutional duty, any more than prosecuting every case brought to it is a prosecutorial duty. Impeachment is a method of removing a sitting president. Full stop. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:37 am Post subject:
The intra-party discord is tough to watch.
But Pelosi believes she only has 2 bad options to choose from, and she is choosing the lesser of 2 evils. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:41 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
The intra-party discord is tough to watch.
But Pelosi believes she only has 2 bad options to choose from, and she is choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
Precisely. She also has accountability for the results of her actions. The people screaming for impeachment because it is "taking a moral stand" are ironically usually people who have no such accountability. Losing the presidency in 2020 would be a debacle. Losing the house as well would be unmentionably bad. Ms. Pelosi is working for those two elections first and foremost. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:04 am Post subject:
Leaving morals completely out of it. And talking strictly about the 2020 election. I find the arguments for impeachment as convincing as the arguments against it. I'm just rooting for Pelosi to be right at this point. For the sake of our country. The alternative is worrisome. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:55 am Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
kikanga wrote:
The intra-party discord is tough to watch.
But Pelosi believes she only has 2 bad options to choose from, and she is choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
Precisely. She also has accountability for the results of her actions. The people screaming for impeachment because it is "taking a moral stand" are ironically usually people who have no such accountability. Losing the presidency in 2020 would be a debacle. Losing the house as well would be unmentionably bad. Ms. Pelosi is working for those two elections first and foremost.
At this point I am leaning towards impeachment, not because of some moral obligation or some sense of strategy but because this latest development is an issue that involves the election itself.
If Pelosi's argument is that Trump broke the law and we should let the election address that fact, what happens when Trump's actions have eliminated the possibility of a fair election? _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:22 am Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
kikanga wrote:
The intra-party discord is tough to watch.
But Pelosi believes she only has 2 bad options to choose from, and she is choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
Precisely. She also has accountability for the results of her actions. The people screaming for impeachment because it is "taking a moral stand" are ironically usually people who have no such accountability. Losing the presidency in 2020 would be a debacle. Losing the house as well would be unmentionably bad. Ms. Pelosi is working for those two elections first and foremost.
At this point I am leaning towards impeachment, not because of some moral obligation or some sense of strategy but because this latest development is an issue that involves the election itself.
If Pelosi's argument is that Trump broke the law and we should let the election address that fact, what happens when Trump's actions have eliminated the possibility of a fair election?
How to make Republicans below the President afraid it is going to affect them personally if they keep supporting Trump
I think he is going to escape this one
"Getting dirt on Biden" is enough to calm his voters and send him swinging back into action
William Barr should be the actual target here. Following the President's requests and not that of the Impartial Law
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:00 am Post subject:
It just got better
News from Ukraine immediately after Trump was exposed witholding the 250mil
Was something saying nobody felt pressured at all
Conversation was good etc
^^^^ That news blurb cost $140,000,000? Hush money or?
Quote:
CHUCK TODD GRILLS STEVE MNUCHIN ABOUT EXTRA $140 MILLION AID PACKAGE THAT UKRAINE REPORTEDLY CALLED A PLEASANT SURPRISE
BY CHRISTINA ZHAO ON 9/22/19 AT 7:01 PM EDT
Why so scared of impeachment process with all that are already exposed, Mueller reports, whistleblower, the fact checked lies... this process will not impact the 2020 election, his base is already amped up, the anti-Trump is also amped up... the outcome of an impeachment process not gonna swing the election. Just do your elected job
Again, impeachment is not a constitutional duty, any more than prosecuting every case brought to it is a prosecutorial duty. Impeachment is a method of removing a sitting president. Full stop.
Again? There’s new thing that came up, u scratch my back I scratch ur back by a sitting POTUS against a political opponent thru a foreign entity is, what’s the word, F up. I don’t care what the dictionary definition of impeachment is, if I elect you and somebody is threatening to plunge US democracy to the sewer, it IS your duty to stop it, yes, Full stop.
We most def differ in seeing how impeachment affects 2020, I just don’t see how the outcome will effect it at all whether positive or negative. Have you been able to change a Trump person or anti-Trump person or even an ‘independent’/‘3rd party’ person’s mind in the past 3 years? The answer in No. even in LG where it’s polite (yes, this is the most polite internet political forum), you won’t find a single person changing their mind despite facts presented daily
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:24 am Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
kikanga wrote:
The intra-party discord is tough to watch.
But Pelosi believes she only has 2 bad options to choose from, and she is choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
Precisely. She also has accountability for the results of her actions. The people screaming for impeachment because it is "taking a moral stand" are ironically usually people who have no such accountability. Losing the presidency in 2020 would be a debacle. Losing the house as well would be unmentionably bad. Ms. Pelosi is working for those two elections first and foremost.
At this point I am leaning towards impeachment, not because of some moral obligation or some sense of strategy but because this latest development is an issue that involves the election itself.
If Pelosi's argument is that Trump broke the law and we should let the election address that fact, what happens when Trump's actions have eliminated the possibility of a fair election?
That's not precisely the argument. The argument is that she cannot remedy the situation via impeachment. There is no remedy in impeachment for fixing the election process for next year. Pelosi understands her only remedy at this point is political. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Sometimes I really can't read this thread. Seriously, it's so damn messed up and corrupt and literally nothing will get done due to Moscow Mitch. Train wreck and we can't stop it and the Republican side thinks it's really awesome and perfect.
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:08 pm Post subject:
governator wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
governator wrote:
Why so scared of impeachment process with all that are already exposed, Mueller reports, whistleblower, the fact checked lies... this process will not impact the 2020 election, his base is already amped up, the anti-Trump is also amped up... the outcome of an impeachment process not gonna swing the election. Just do your elected job
Again, impeachment is not a constitutional duty, any more than prosecuting every case brought to it is a prosecutorial duty. Impeachment is a method of removing a sitting president. Full stop.
Again? There’s new thing that came up, u scratch my back I scratch ur back by a sitting POTUS against a political opponent thru a foreign entity is, what’s the word, F up. I don’t care what the dictionary definition of impeachment is, if I elect you and somebody is threatening to plunge US democracy to the sewer, it IS your duty to stop it, yes, Full stop.
We most def differ in seeing how impeachment affects 2020, I just don’t see how the outcome will effect it at all whether positive or negative. Have you been able to change a Trump person or anti-Trump person or even an ‘independent’/‘3rd party’ person’s mind in the past 3 years? The answer in No. even in LG where it’s polite (yes, this is the most polite internet political forum), you won’t find a single person changing their mind despite facts presented daily
Actually the midterm victory was fueled primarily by people (mostly suburban women) changing their minds, and those people tend to be turned off by impeachment.
But the again part is the idea that you guys keep saying it's their duty to stop him by impeachment, but impeachment provides no remedy beyond the Senate removing him from office, which we know they will not do. So it will not stop him. That's it. The people who want him impeached (a lot of us want him removed) are the only people who are really excited by or affected in any positive way by impeachment. Because it apparently feels like doing something overt and active. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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