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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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You have to figure MBS got the thumbs up to kill Khashoggi from Trump via Kushner. _________________ Under New Management |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | You have to figure MBS got the thumbs up to kill Khashoggi from Trump via Kushner. |
More than likely, which would be Trump's biggest crime (that we know of). Yet that whole event has slipped into the past. When you can get away with being complicit in a murder, a little quid pro quo is easy street. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
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nickuku Star Player
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REPEAT AFTER ME
TRANSNATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE MASQUERADING AS A GOVERNMENT. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | REPEAT AFTER ME
TRANSNATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE MASQUERADING AS A GOVERNMENT. |
They're not even pretending at this point. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | nickuku wrote: | REPEAT AFTER ME
TRANSNATIONAL CRIME SYNDICATE MASQUERADING AS A GOVERNMENT. |
They're not even pretending at this point. |
Fortunately, they are also incredibly bad at hiding anything. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Wilt LG Contributor
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, what's strange about this whole Ukraine scandal is how many people knew about it, even career diplomats were fully aware what's going on. It's as if they wanted to get caught. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Wilt wrote: | Yeah, what's strange about this whole Ukraine scandal is how many people knew about it, even career diplomats were fully aware what's going on. It's as if they wanted to get caught. |
It’s a combination of hubris and incompetence. They had been getting away with (bleep) so long, made it all the way to the White House, and Mueller went nowhere. They thought it didn’t matter any more. Do what you want. And if it was up to 40% of the population, they were right. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
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DaMuleRules wrote: | ribeye wrote: | 50% want Trump impeached and removed and even more importantly, independents are also at 50%
Code: | Indep Con Demo- endnt Repub Lib- Mode- serva
Total crat Other lican eral rate tive
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Should be impeached and removed from office 50% 87% 50% 6% 84% 55% 21%
Don't you feel that way 43% 7% 42% 90% 13% 35% 76%
Don't know/Undecided/Refused 7% 6% 8% 4% 3% 10% 3%
Sampling Error (+/-) 3.7 6.9 5.9 7.1 7.6 6.1 6.4 |
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/21/rel12a.-.trump,.impeachment.pdf poll 12 |
Unfortunately, I think the removal part is going to fall on us voters. |
That won't end it. The problems run deep.
What's disquieting is that we've all learned how easy it is for the United States to slip into some form of fascism. We have 40% of our population that disregards facts, and this isn't an aberration. No event shakes this core, not repeated policy failures, not smoking bimbos, not indirect bribery, not continuous lying, not treachery of an ally, not even an undermining of our democratic electoral process. That 40% simply doesn't care, all they worry about is some simplistic mantra about an undefined greatness, and the comparative melanin in the flesh of leadership.
But make no mistake, the core is economics: A lack of opportunity to be upward mobile, and live better. Most of these people live worse, which is why they reside in what was once the industrial heartland of America. And of course, this is why they hate the "coastal elites". They have been left behind, and their looking for scapegoats, subscribing to dubious conspiracy theories and hard-right narratives.
This 40% of core Trump support must be taken seriously, because of their tolerance of intolerance, and their willingness to abandon the democratic process. This core 40% didn't just appear overnight like toadstools on your lawn, they've been growing for awhile and there is no reason to believe that this base won't grow further in the years ahead. And there's no reason to believe that if Trump is deposed, they won't find another leader with fascist, racist leanings to take his place. |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:36 am Post subject: |
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House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
Quote: | As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
""It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room."
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room. |
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-23-2019/index.html
What next, the GOP burns down the Reichstag? |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:57 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | ribeye wrote: | 50% want Trump impeached and removed and even more importantly, independents are also at 50%
Code: | Indep Con Demo- endnt Repub Lib- Mode- serva
Total crat Other lican eral rate tive
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Should be impeached and removed from office 50% 87% 50% 6% 84% 55% 21%
Don't you feel that way 43% 7% 42% 90% 13% 35% 76%
Don't know/Undecided/Refused 7% 6% 8% 4% 3% 10% 3%
Sampling Error (+/-) 3.7 6.9 5.9 7.1 7.6 6.1 6.4 |
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/21/rel12a.-.trump,.impeachment.pdf poll 12 |
Unfortunately, I think the removal part is going to fall on us voters. |
That won't end it. The problems run deep.
What's disquieting is that we've all learned how easy it is for the United States to slip into some form of fascism. We have 40% of our population that disregards facts, and this isn't an aberration. No event shakes this core, not repeated policy failures, not smoking bimbos, not indirect bribery, not continuous lying, not treachery of an ally, not even an undermining of our democratic electoral process. That 40% simply doesn't care, all they worry about is some simplistic mantra about an undefined greatness, and the comparative melanin in the flesh of leadership.
But make no mistake, the core is economics: A lack of opportunity to be upward mobile, and live better. Most of these people live worse, which is why they reside in what was once the industrial heartland of America. And of course, this is why they hate the "coastal elites". They have been left behind, and their looking for scapegoats, subscribing to dubious conspiracy theories and hard-right narratives.
This 40% of core Trump support must be taken seriously, because of their tolerance of intolerance, and their willingness to abandon the democratic process. This core 40% didn't just appear overnight like toadstools on your lawn, they've been growing for awhile and there is no reason to believe that this base won't grow further in the years ahead. And there's no reason to believe that if Trump is deposed, they won't find another leader with fascist, racist leanings to take his place. |
The irony is that Democratic polices would benefit them a thousand times more than any Republican policy. #ButRacism |
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Heartburn Star Player
Joined: 04 Oct 2001 Posts: 6346 Location: The Titanic that is the USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | ribeye wrote: | 50% want Trump impeached and removed and even more importantly, independents are also at 50%
Code: | Indep Con Demo- endnt Repub Lib- Mode- serva
Total crat Other lican eral rate tive
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Should be impeached and removed from office 50% 87% 50% 6% 84% 55% 21%
Don't you feel that way 43% 7% 42% 90% 13% 35% 76%
Don't know/Undecided/Refused 7% 6% 8% 4% 3% 10% 3%
Sampling Error (+/-) 3.7 6.9 5.9 7.1 7.6 6.1 6.4 |
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/10/21/rel12a.-.trump,.impeachment.pdf poll 12 |
Unfortunately, I think the removal part is going to fall on us voters. |
That won't end it. The problems run deep.
What's disquieting is that we've all learned how easy it is for the United States to slip into some form of fascism. We have 40% of our population that disregards facts, and this isn't an aberration. No event shakes this core, not repeated policy failures, not smoking bimbos, not indirect bribery, not continuous lying, not treachery of an ally, not even an undermining of our democratic electoral process. That 40% simply doesn't care, all they worry about is some simplistic mantra about an undefined greatness, and the comparative melanin in the flesh of leadership.
But make no mistake, the core is economics: A lack of opportunity to be upward mobile, and live better. Most of these people live worse, which is why they reside in what was once the industrial heartland of America. And of course, this is why they hate the "coastal elites". They have been left behind, and their looking for scapegoats, subscribing to dubious conspiracy theories and hard-right narratives.
This 40% of core Trump support must be taken seriously, because of their tolerance of intolerance, and their willingness to abandon the democratic process. This core 40% didn't just appear overnight like toadstools on your lawn, they've been growing for awhile and there is no reason to believe that this base won't grow further in the years ahead. And there's no reason to believe that if Trump is deposed, they won't find another leader with fascist, racist leanings to take his place. |
I've said repeatedly that the silver lining here is that Trump is a complete idiot. If you had a politician who could rally like him, but was even slightly competent, we'd be in real trouble. My fear is that a real fascist is watching this and taking notes. The blueprint is there now and someone with charisma and savvy could turn this country upside down. |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:00 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
Quote: | As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
""It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room."
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room. |
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-23-2019/index.html
What next, the GOP burns down the Reichstag? |
Basically the testimony that happened yesterday should have taken down half the administration in a massive criminal conspiracy. In any other version of reality that would be obvious to everyone, even the sycophants. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:47 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
Quote: | As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
""It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room."
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room. |
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-23-2019/index.html
What next, the GOP burns down the Reichstag? |
That's fine. Just subject them to the same punishment that any other person on the planet would receive for doing it. They lose all security clearances and are charged with criminal trespass. |
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Wilt LG Contributor
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I guess their strategy is to focus on the process, as opposed to defending his actions. I don't think that's gonna work to decrease support for impeachment, but we'll see.
Swalwell was on Morning Joe this morning and he was asked how the Republicans behave behind closed doors. Turns out they are just as conspiratorial and crazy when the cameras are off. When he was asked if Republicans attended the Taylor testimony, he said yes, but most of them had left during the testimony and there were barely any left at the end of it. There are no leaks that can be used by them to defend Trump because there's nothing to defend. Instead, they organize a stunt like storming a committee.
They are firmly behind Trump. The best we can hope is a couple Senators, no matter what the facts say. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid! |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Wilt wrote: | I guess their strategy is to focus on the process, as opposed to defending his actions. I don't think that's gonna work to decrease support for impeachment, but we'll see.
Swalwell was on Morning Joe this morning and he was asked how the Republicans behave behind closed doors. Turns out they are just as conspiratorial and crazy when the cameras are off. When he was asked if Republicans attended the Taylor testimony, he said yes, but most of them had left during the testimony and there were barely any left at the end of it. There are no leaks that can be used by them to defend Trump because there's nothing to defend. Instead, they organize a stunt like storming a committee.
They are firmly behind Trump. The best we can hope is a couple Senators, no matter what the facts say. |
either they all survive with Trump or hopefully they all go down with Trump |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Steve Bannon is licking his chops. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Just in case anyone else had heard the new Trump defense--vis-à-vis Ukraine and quid pro quo--that the Ukraine did not know the funding was withheld so how could there be a quid pro quo, the NYT addresses them here:
Ukraine Knew of Aid Freeze by August, Undermining Trump Defense
Quote: | Top officials were told in early August about the delay of $391 million in security assistance, undercutting a chief argument President Trump has used to deny any quid pro quo | . |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:56 am Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | House Republicans stormed the hearing room where Pentagon official was testifying
Quote: | As Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Laura Cooper was sitting down to testify, the roughly couple dozen Republicans stormed through the three different doors, a source in the room said.
Rep. Bradley Byrne yelled in committee Chair Adam Schiff's face, but Schiff didn't engage. Other Democrats, including Val Demings, screamed back at both Byrne and Rep. Louie Gohmert, who were yelling about the process.
""It was closest thing I've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of Congress," according to a source in the room."
Cooper left the room while the Republicans refused to leave.
The source says the Capitol Police and sergeant at arms have been consulted as members refuse to leave the room. |
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-23-2019/index.html
What next, the GOP burns down the Reichstag? |
Speaking of a lynch mob... _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:00 am Post subject: |
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On the night Trump was elected I considered it a Terrorist Attack against the USA. On that night I assumed some patriot would take care of him early since he was a known Russian asset/terrorist.
Now look where we are
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1187021896681959426?s=21
Quote: | Judge: What’s your view on the 5th Avenue example? Local authorities couldn’t investigate? They couldn’t do anything about it?
Trump Attorney: I think once the president a President is removed from office, a local authority.... This isn’t a permanent immunity-
Judge: Well, I’m talking about while in office.
Trump Attorney: No.
Judge: Nothing could be done? That’s your position?
Trump Attorney: That is correct. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:29 am Post subject: |
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paymonM wrote: | ribeye wrote: | Goldenwest wrote: |
Let me ask your a question: what was the point of regime change in Libya and Syria? Was it worth all hose innocent lives? |
In Libya, the point was that the people did not want the Gaddafi government.
In Syria, the point was that the people did not want the Bashar al-Assad government. |
actually, No. It was Saudi Arabia who did not want the Bashar- Al-Assad government. Big difference |
Actually Saudi Arabia and the US. Libya was the richest country in Africa before the manufactured war, Syria was very well to do also. Under Obama with Hillary’s urging created a mess of a million plus needless deaths and massive destruction of their infrastructure and economy. We’ve accomplished nothing but chaos. Maybe that was the intent.. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:38 am Post subject: |
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There’s nothing like ignorant and obtuse working backward from a conspiracy theory _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Buck32 Star Player
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Trump and the GOP are bullying every decent American, and nobody is standing up to them. _________________ “Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Trump would like you to know that Republicans who oppose him are human scum. He usually reserves that one for brown and black people. |
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ChefLinda Moderator
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Buck32 wrote: | Trump and the GOP are bullying every decent American, and nobody is standing up to them. |
Nancy Pelosi. But she doesn't control the Senate. Taking the Senate is as important as beating Trump. |
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tlim Star Player
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ChefLinda wrote: | Buck32 wrote: | Trump and the GOP are bullying every decent American, and nobody is standing up to them. |
Nancy Pelosi. But she doesn't control the Senate. Taking the Senate is as important as beating Trump. |
That's basically it for me in a nutshell. Down the line, all blue as the reds toe the line no matter how egregious their overt corruption is. |
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