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| BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: |
The truly laughable and uniformed opinion is the one that doesn’t realize this thread represents a point of view significantly left of the average American. |
Describe the average American, so we have a reference point here. |
The person who’s point of view would be the average of all Americans point of views... |
And who's that person? |
The theoretical most typical, expectable, average American. It’s not a real person. Are you misunderstanding what I’m saying? How could that be a specific person? |
No misunderstanding. It's just that you are creating this "average American" in your head. You can't actually describe them, because they don't exist. If they did, they'd be living in CA and would probably be a Lakers fan. And by your account, most Lakers fans are Left leaning. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | So in light of all the discussion about inappropriate talk shows Hillary just went on Howard Stern... |
What exactly is inappropriate about Howard over the last decade? He's a pretty good interviewer of high profile people. He's still self-serving and often simplistic, but the days of having porn stars and drunk midgets (RIP Hank) are long gone. |
I heard about his pc conversion, but haven't actually listened in probably 10 years. Are Richard and Sal still employed? It's hard to believe they could be doing anything appropriate. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Also the portrayal of this thread as an echo chamber is laughable and uninformed. Whether it's big practical arguments (like when we should've impeached or some of Warren's proposals) or out there hypotheticals (when I argued for the Dems to accept Chinese election interference if Trump is gonna use Russia again). There have been a ton of spirited debates in this thread. Ask Eddie how some of our thoughts on Biden differ from his, and he'll tell you how far this thread is from a everyone-agrees-with-everyone hive mind.
Which draws a sharp contrast to the uniformity of Trump supporters regurgitating the same conservative media talking points. There is alot of projection and I'm-rubber-you're-glue with the echo chamber assertion. |
The truly laughable and uniformed opinion is the one that doesn’t realize this thread represents a point of view significantly left of the average American. |
Describe the average American, so we have a reference point here. |
The person who’s point of view would be the average of all Americans point of views... |
Insightful.
It's long been established that you don't have the remotest concept of what "far left" means. So your idea of what constitutes the average American view point is moot. |
just being real with you, but I think you struggle with the spectrum. I feel like you view things on the California scale of right to left, but that is not similar to the overall American scale. I live and operate everyday in a deep purple state, and I rarely am ever in a room where it is all Republicans, Democrats or Independents. Most LG users in this thread are clearly farther to the left than the middle, and it is not close. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | To touch on what Omar was saying re: Gabbard, it's worth noting that some of the people who complain about the "smearing" of Gabbard are the very same people actively engage in smearing other candidates who are actually Democrats ("Biden is a creepy old perv" . . . "Harris is a cop" . . .etc.). I can't help notice the correlation between those that attack Democrat candidates, but defend the candidate who isn't a Dem and is actively working to harm the party, either by intent or by personal convenience - either way the result is the same. |
wow, I mean that smear is over the top about Harris....who would ever go that low? What is next, someone going to call Mayor Pete a NCIS Agent!  |
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I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. But I genuinely am. You really don’t realize just how out of touch you are with a typical American viewpoint. |
You make huge assumptions, which inevitably lead you to huge miscalculations. You have no idea what my extended family is composed of. It's a group that literally covers the political spectrum and has all the nuances in between. There are aging Republicans, a few die-hard Trumpsters of various ages, several that would shock even you as to their "lefty" mentality. More importantly, there is a large collection of "average Americans" - small town Midwesterners, evangelicals, blue collar workers, plenty of military both active and retired . . .
So I am well versed in the array of American viewpoints and where they "average" out.
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| adkindo wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | To touch on what Omar was saying re: Gabbard, it's worth noting that some of the people who complain about the "smearing" of Gabbard are the very same people actively engage in smearing other candidates who are actually Democrats ("Biden is a creepy old perv" . . . "Harris is a cop" . . .etc.). I can't help notice the correlation between those that attack Democrat candidates, but defend the candidate who isn't a Dem and is actively working to harm the party, either by intent or by personal convenience - either way the result is the same. |
wow, I mean that smear is over the top about Harris....who would ever go that low? What is next, someone going to call Mayor Pete a NCIS Agent! |
Nice try. My point is clearly not that being a cop is a pejorative. It is obviously that some people have foolishly tried spin her career as a prosecutor into one.
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| adkindo wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Also the portrayal of this thread as an echo chamber is laughable and uninformed. Whether it's big practical arguments (like when we should've impeached or some of Warren's proposals) or out there hypotheticals (when I argued for the Dems to accept Chinese election interference if Trump is gonna use Russia again). There have been a ton of spirited debates in this thread. Ask Eddie how some of our thoughts on Biden differ from his, and he'll tell you how far this thread is from a everyone-agrees-with-everyone hive mind.
Which draws a sharp contrast to the uniformity of Trump supporters regurgitating the same conservative media talking points. There is alot of projection and I'm-rubber-you're-glue with the echo chamber assertion. |
The truly laughable and uniformed opinion is the one that doesn’t realize this thread represents a point of view significantly left of the average American. |
Describe the average American, so we have a reference point here. |
The person who’s point of view would be the average of all Americans point of views... |
Insightful.
It's long been established that you don't have the remotest concept of what "far left" means. So your idea of what constitutes the average American view point is moot. |
just being real with you, but I think you struggle with the spectrum. I feel like you view things on the California scale of right to left, but that is not similar to the overall American scale. |
And like BGH, you too make huge assumptions that lead you to erroneous conclusions.
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| Anyone who thinks the "California scale of right to left" is any different than that of the rest of the country has either never been here or never looked around while they were here. |
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I've always found the psychology of Trump voters and why they love him to be facinating. I've firmly felt for a while that some, but not all of them are racist, and that there are different types of Trump voters/supporters.
I found this on my FB feed, and I posted it verbatim. Just thought I'd share it to see what my fellow progressives/social democrats think:
| Quote: | HOW I FEEL ABOUT TRUMP: By Steve Harvey
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist.. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED”.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didn’t vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, he’s a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this.. Thousands of people who haven't voted in 25 years seem to be getting involved.. And the more people get this message, the more that will understand why Trump was elected..The raccoons have got to go!!! |
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It's an authoritarian ideology of resentment.
What struck me about that post is the dehumanization of immigrants. Trumpism can only thrive if there is a perception that enemies - immigrants, people of color, liberal elites, people on the coasts, etc. - are taking what rightfully belongs to Trump's tribe. Pundits keep wondering why Trump's rallies don't focus more on the economy and some of the policies he has implemented. But that's not motivates those people to keep supporting Trump. What primarily motivates them is the hatred and he constantly reminds them which groups they need to hate.
But considering the history of this country, none of this is a surprise. It took Trump to unleash it to its fullest potential. Fortunately, it's a minority of the country, but a minority was enough to take over the government.
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| slavavov wrote: | I've always found the psychology of Trump voters and why they love him to be facinating. I've firmly felt for a while that some, but not all of them are racist, and that there are different types of Trump voters/supporters.
I found this on my FB feed, and I posted it verbatim. Just thought I'd share it to see what my fellow progressives/social democrats think:
| Quote: | HOW I FEEL ABOUT TRUMP: By Steve Harvey
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist.. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED”.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didn’t vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, he’s a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this.. Thousands of people who haven't voted in 25 years seem to be getting involved.. And the more people get this message, the more that will understand why Trump was elected..The raccoons have got to go!!! |
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It’s a bad, over simplistic analogy, but ok, let’s go with it. The generous interpretation: Not only is that guy you hired not going to get rid of the raccoons, but while he is banging around at things while claiming to get rid of them he is weakening the very foundations of your house to the point where it’s going to end up costing you a lot more, and that’s if your house doesn’t fall down. At some point maybe you’ll realize...gee, maybe we hired the wrong guy to fix this “problem”. |
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| slavavov wrote: | I've always found the psychology of Trump voters and why they love him to be facinating. I've firmly felt for a while that some, but not all of them are racist, and that there are different types of Trump voters/supporters.
I found this on my FB feed, and I posted it verbatim. Just thought I'd share it to see what my fellow progressives/social democrats think:
| Quote: | HOW I FEEL ABOUT TRUMP: By Steve Harvey
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist.. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED”.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didn’t vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, he’s a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this.. Thousands of people who haven't voted in 25 years seem to be getting involved.. And the more people get this message, the more that will understand why Trump was elected..The raccoons have got to go!!! |
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Except in this case the exterminator is an incompetent boob who makes a bigger mess in the basement while managing to kill off a few, he lies and tells you he did a perfect job, overcharges you, then steals your family silver on the way out the door. When you call him to ask him about that noise in the basement he tells you you're hearing things and to ignore because he did a perfect job!
Also interesting that the person used "raccoons" and "infestation" as examples. This is racist horsecrap in thin disguise. So yeah, they can tell themselves it doesn't involve racism but it's right there in the example. Immigrants are infesting the country and Trump hates them as much as they do and they just want them gone even it means destroying their own home. |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: |
The truly laughable and uniformed opinion is the one that doesn’t realize this thread represents a point of view significantly left of the average American. |
Describe the average American, so we have a reference point here. |
The person who’s point of view would be the average of all Americans point of views... |
And who's that person? |
The theoretical most typical, expectable, average American. It’s not a real person. Are you misunderstanding what I’m saying? How could that be a specific person? |
No misunderstanding. It's just that you are creating this "average American" in your head. You can't actually describe them, because they don't exist. If they did, they'd be living in CA and would probably be a Lakers fan. And by your account, most Lakers fans are Left leaning. |
There is a spectrum of political views in America. I’m referring to the center of that spectrum. Maybe median would’ve been a better term than average. Obviously, there is nobody who is the literal average of every other American. I didn’t say anything about Lakers fans but I think it’s a fair statement to say Lakers fans tend to lean left because the team is from LA, a very liberal city. Do you find that controversial? |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: |
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. But I genuinely am. You really don’t realize just how out of touch you are with a typical American viewpoint. |
You make huge assumptions, which inevitably lead you to huge miscalculations. You have no idea what my extended family is composed of. It's a group that literally covers the political spectrum and has all the nuances in between. There are aging Republicans, a few die-hard Trumpsters of various ages, several that would shock even you as to their "lefty" mentality. More importantly, there is a large collection of "average Americans" - small town Midwesterners, evangelicals, blue collar workers, plenty of military both active and retired . . .
So I am well versed in the array of American viewpoints and where they "average" out. |
And you have no idea what my extended family is composed of. You proved nothing with your post other than the fact that you think you are right and I am wrong without anything to support it. Ironically, you’re the one making assumptions which are leading you to miscalculations. If this thread is actually a representation of the average American viewpoint, how do you figure Trump got elected? |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | question for the non left-leaning people:
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| slavavov wrote: | I've always found the psychology of Trump voters and why they love him to be facinating. I've firmly felt for a while that some, but not all of them are racist, and that there are different types of Trump voters/supporters.
I found this on my FB feed, and I posted it verbatim. Just thought I'd share it to see what my fellow progressives/social democrats think:
| Quote: | HOW I FEEL ABOUT TRUMP: By Steve Harvey
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist.. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED”.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didn’t vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, he’s a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this.. Thousands of people who haven't voted in 25 years seem to be getting involved.. And the more people get this message, the more that will understand why Trump was elected..The raccoons have got to go!!! |
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sounds like:
1. Illegals
2. civil rights
3. Democratic party |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: |
The truly laughable and uniformed opinion is the one that doesn’t realize this thread represents a point of view significantly left of the average American. |
Describe the average American, so we have a reference point here. |
The person who’s point of view would be the average of all Americans point of views... |
And who's that person? |
The theoretical most typical, expectable, average American. It’s not a real person. Are you misunderstanding what I’m saying? How could that be a specific person? |
No misunderstanding. It's just that you are creating this "average American" in your head. You can't actually describe them, because they don't exist. If they did, they'd be living in CA and would probably be a Lakers fan. And by your account, most Lakers fans are Left leaning. |
There is a spectrum of political views in America. I’m referring to the center of that spectrum. Maybe median would’ve been a better term than average. Obviously, there is nobody who is the literal average of every other American. I didn’t say anything about Lakers fans but I think it’s a fair statement to say Lakers fans tend to lean left because the team is from LA, a very liberal city. Do you find that controversial? |
No, I think this forum is an indication of a more left-leaning Lakers fan base. But California represents America probably better than any other state. Highest % of military members, biggest Agricultural state, most immigrants, tech hub, retail and service industry, tourism..... rural, urban and suburban residents. |
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Didn't "the average America" vote for Hillary more than Trump? And help the Democrats take back the House in 2018?
If we're talking about the median political view. I'm still not sure how that shakes out. Considering Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes and 40% of the voting eligible didn't vote.
But I do believe the right has effectively pulled the Overton Window to it's side over time. I mean they've spent a decade trying to destroy Romney-care because a black President made it into law.
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| slavavov wrote: | I've always found the psychology of Trump voters and why they love him to be facinating. I've firmly felt for a while that some, but not all of them are racist, and that there are different types of Trump voters/supporters.
I found this on my FB feed, and I posted it verbatim. Just thought I'd share it to see what my fellow progressives/social democrats think:
| Quote: | HOW I FEEL ABOUT TRUMP: By Steve Harvey
You've been on vacation for two weeks, you come home, and your basement is infested with raccoons.. Hundreds of rabid, messy, mean raccoons have overtaken your basement.. You want them gone immediately!.. You call the city and 4 different exterminators, but nobody can handle the job.. But there is this one guy, and he guarantees to get rid of them, so you hire him.. You don't care if the guy swears, you don't care how many times he's been married, you don't care if he has a plumber's crack, you simply want those raccoons gone!.. You want your problem fixed!.. He's the guy.. He's the best!
Here's why we want Trump: Yes, he's a bit of a jerk; Yes, he's an egomaniac; but we don't care!.. The country is a mess because politicians suck, the Republicans and Democrats can be two-faced and gutless, and illegals are everywhere.. We want it all fixed!.. We don't care that Trump is crude, we don't care that he insults people, we don't care that he's been married 3 times, we don't care that he fights with Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, we don't care that he doesn't know the name of some Muslim terrorist.. This country became weak and bankrupt, our enemies were making fun of us, we are being invaded by illegals, we are becoming a nation of victims where every Tom, Ricardo, and Hasid is a special group with special rights to a point where we don't even recognize the country we were born and raised in; "AND WE JUST WANT IT FIXED”.. And Trump is the only guy who seems to understand what the people want..
We're sick of politicians, sick of the Democratic Party, sick of the Republican Party, and sick of illegals!.. We just want this thing fixed.. Trump may not be a Saint, but we didn’t vote for a Pope.. We voted for a man who doesn't have lobbyist money holding him back, a man who doesn't have political correctness restraining him.. We all know that he has been very successful, he’s a good negotiator, he has built a lot of things, and he's also NOT a politician, NOT a cowardly politician.!.. And he says he'll fix it.. And we believe him because he is too much of an egotist to be proven wrong, or looked at and called a liar.. Also, we don't care if the guy has bad hair.. We just want those raccoons gone, out of our house, NOW!!!
You are welcome to copy/paste/share this.. Thousands of people who haven't voted in 25 years seem to be getting involved.. And the more people get this message, the more that will understand why Trump was elected..The raccoons have got to go!!! |
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The bolded screams, "when people who don't look like me are protected from prejudice it pisses me off!"
Also I'm sure he's patting himself on the back for alluding to the racial term coon several times but having plausible deniability that he chose a random pesky animal.
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| kikanga wrote: | Didn't "the average America" vote for Hillary more than Trump? And help the Democrats take back the House in 2018?
If we're talking about the median political view. I'm still not sure how that shakes out. Considering Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes and 40% of the voting eligible didn't vote.
But I do believe the right has effectively pulled the Overton Window to it's side over time. I mean they've spent a decade trying to destroy Romney-care because a black President made it into law. |
Yes but Trump got enough votes to win the electoral college. Considering the level of hatred for Trump on here, I’m not sure how you can actually believe the average American hates him to that level yet he still wins the presidency. |
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| Wilt wrote: | ^
It's an authoritarian ideology of resentment.
What struck me about that post is the dehumanization of immigrants. Trumpism can only thrive if there is a perception that enemies - immigrants, people of color, liberal elites, people on the coasts, etc. - are taking what rightfully belongs to Trump's tribe. Pundits keep wondering why Trump's rallies don't focus more on the economy and some of the policies he has implemented. But that's not motivates those people to keep supporting Trump. What primarily motivates them is the hatred and he constantly reminds them which groups they need to hate.
But considering the history of this country, none of this is a surprise. It took Trump to unleash it to its fullest potential. Fortunately, it's a minority of the country, but a minority was enough to take over the government. |
I read a good quote on American's who are attracted to authoritarians, that I think define Trump fans well: "A misplaced sense of grievance, lack of empathy, ignorance, and lack of historical perspective". |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Didn't "the average America" vote for Hillary more than Trump? And help the Democrats take back the House in 2018?
If we're talking about the median political view. I'm still not sure how that shakes out. Considering Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes and 40% of the voting eligible didn't vote.
But I do believe the right has effectively pulled the Overton Window to it's side over time. I mean they've spent a decade trying to destroy Romney-care because a black President made it into law. |
Yes but Trump got enough votes to win the electoral college. Considering the level of hatred for Trump on here, I’m not sure how you can actually believe the average American hates him to that level yet he still wins the presidency. |
From day 54 of his presidency till now day 1050. His disapproval rating has been above 50%. His approval hasn't hit 45% through that time period either.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
So it appears the median is not a fan of his presidency (like us in this thread).
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If the electoral college was truly proportions. 1 electoral college vote = X number of people in a state. It would be a good measure for the median voter. But it doesn't. It based on the amount of representatives and senators. Which isn't proportional to state population.
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| kikanga wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Didn't "the average America" vote for Hillary more than Trump? And help the Democrats take back the House in 2018?
If we're talking about the median political view. I'm still not sure how that shakes out. Considering Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes and 40% of the voting eligible didn't vote.
But I do believe the right has effectively pulled the Overton Window to it's side over time. I mean they've spent a decade trying to destroy Romney-care because a black President made it into law. |
Yes but Trump got enough votes to win the electoral college. Considering the level of hatred for Trump on here, I’m not sure how you can actually believe the average American hates him to that level yet he still wins the presidency. |
From day 54 of his presidency till now day 1050. His disapproval rating has been above 50%. His approval hasn't hit 45% through that time period either.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
So it appears the median is not a fan of his presidency (like us in this thread). |
I never disputed that. There are various levels of “not a fan of his presidency” and the level on here is higher than most of the country. You really can’t even admit that? Is this the only place you discuss politics? |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| kikanga wrote: | | If the electoral college was truly proportions. 1 electoral college vote = X number of people in a state. It would be a good measure for the median voter. But it doesn't. It based on the amount of representatives and senators. Which isn't proportional to state population. |
I’m well aware. |
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