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| Wilt wrote: | | Unfortunately for Warren, it's probably a little too late. |
We're only two primaries in.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Quote: | Bill O'Reilly
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Warren pounding Bloomberg about non disclosure agreements signed by women. All companies have those. Bloomberg looks weak. |
This may be the greatest tweet of all time. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Unfortunately for Warren, it's probably a little too late. |
We're only two primaries in. |
She lost when she went after the uber rich |
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Watching my first debate and I'm literally undecided of who I'm voting for to run against Trump.
Based on nothing but the few minutes I've watched tonight I'd have to say Bloomberg isn't it. I did however like the socialist with three homes comment towards Bernie.
Not feeling Bernie.
Not feeling the lady in blue.
I feel Pete has been pretty can and collected.
I forget Biden is there until he intejects with some "cmon man"
I feel like the Lakers in search of help through the buyout market. Slim pickings.
Btw, the whole health record deal is such dramatic bs. |
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| AD23 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Unfortunately for Warren, it's probably a little too late. |
We're only two primaries in. |
She lost when she went after the uber rich |
No, she lost when she tried to hedge her bets between Sanders and Biden and not picking off a sufficient number of votes from either lane. Gender and age didn't help either.
But you can still vote for her. We're only two primaries in. She has a pathway to the nomination.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think Pete is helping himself tonight.
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| Wilt wrote: | | I don't think Pete is helping himself tonight. |
Obvious Pete and Klobuchar is fighting splitting Biden’s base |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | And I will add that the language above is another problem. Bernie et al keep referring to the Democrats as if they are some rival party disassociated from his campaign to be President, yet Bernie claims he is a Democrat and is running as an alleged member of the party. It just proves their obvious disingenuousness, blatantly using the party to give him a chance in an election he never would have had if he ran as what he actually is - an independent - and then slamming the party constantly to try and curry favor as some sort of victim at their hands. It's insidious and the reason many have respect and trust for him. |
You keep returning to this. Would you actually prefer he run on a third party ticket and take basically 50% of the Democratic electorate with him? |
You're missing the point entirely. Had he not glommed onto the Democrats in 2016 to exploit them to give him access and notoriety he would not have had as an independent, he would have just been another 3rd party candidate that would be off the radar in 2020 - he wouldn't be pulling 50% of anything (and he's pulling short of half of that now). |
He actually encouraged Warren to run first because he thought there should be a progressive option. Did it elevate his profile? Sure.
What it seems like you're saying is that if you're a progressive you don't have the right to run as a Democrat. |
That's not what he's saying and you know it. He's not even hinting at it. He's saying quite clearly you can't be unable to mount a separate campaign and win, then decide therefore the way to win is to join the party, and then act like the party needs to bend over backward to accommodate you and change its rules and structure and membership's views to allow you to take it over. |
No, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't something as shallow as having an "I" in front in your name in off years rather than a "D". That's about the only substantive difference between Warren and Bernie domestically. Yet one he likes, the other he seems to despise. It still doesn't quite make sense to me. Especially since we both agree running third party would have been counter productive for everyone.. |
Again, that has nothing to do with what I said about what you said, which was a complete mischaracterization of what Mule said. |
I was going to respond, and then I saw this, which very succinctly puts it. I would just add that my comments have nothing to with whether Bernie has an "I" or a "D" in front the name or whether he is progressive or how progressive he is in relation to anyone else, or whether he's Green Party, Tea Party, enjoys key parties or sausage parties.
As OL elaborated on, the point is he is an outsider to the Democrat Party, but for the purposes of satiating his political desires, he has exploited the Dems and then wants to attack them if they don't submit to quest to do so.
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| Wilt wrote: | | I don't think Pete is helping himself tonight. |
No one is. I don't think this is a good night for Democrats at all. And Bloomberg looks awful.
Pete also got flatly interrupted by Amy at one point. I wonder what people would say if a woman had gotten interrupted like that. He has showed a lot of restraint imo. |
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VOTE JOE!!!
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Have their been any questions about Syrian refugees?
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Have their been any questions about Syrian refugees? |
I'm not even sure there was anything about foreign policy at all, actually. I guess there was some of that type of discussion during the climate change debate, but other than that, I couldn't think of anything. |
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That might be the most brutal debate I've ever seen.
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The funny thing in some ways is that Bloomberg terminals rock if you have access to them, which I recommend, but they're a niche tool for 0.0000000001% of the US population.
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I don't know anyone personally nor have I read anything online that is remotely positive about Chuck Todd. And yet, NBC is forcing him on us.
He’s not Donald Trump. There, you, and he, are welcome.
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| kikanga wrote: | | That might be the most brutal debate I've ever seen. |
Come on, just four years ago, we had a penis measuring contest at a debate.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Have their been any questions about Syrian refugees? |
I'm not even sure there was anything about foreign policy at all, actually. I guess there was some of that type of discussion during the climate change debate, but other than that, I couldn't think of anything. |
I hate how FP has fallen by the wayside in these debates. Where does POTUS have more power than in foreign policy?
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| Wilt wrote: | | I don't know anyone personally nor have I read anything online that is remotely positive about Chuck Todd. And yet, NBC is forcing him on us. |
Yes, he's terrible. |
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| Lawrence O'Donnell just made a great point: interesting how Bernie said tonight that the person with the most delegates should get the nomination, even if it's not the majority required to officially clinch it. Hmm, did he believe that 4 years ago? Of course not. |
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| Yang is a good commentator on cnn |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Seeing Bernie and Bloomberg polling top 2 nationally makes me really long for the days when Warren and Biden were the top 2. On both sides.
Bernie makes Warren seems like a realist. And Bloomberg makes Biden look like a progressive. |
The fact that she like likes to virtue signal with plan-itis I don't think makes her more realistic. Just like Sanders is playing to his populist base with simple plans and generalities to show what he stands for, she's doing the same to her audience of West Wing watchers dreaming of a presidency where the Ivy League educated rub elbows in the White House and hatch brilliant policies on the fly. |
So...close...to the mask falling. |
Just vile moronic remark after another. |
Misogynistic kayfabe from greenfrog.
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For those who are old enough, between Nader '00 and Sanders '20 who is more accomplished, IYO?
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| Wilt wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | That might be the most brutal debate I've ever seen. |
Come on, just four years ago, we had a penis measuring contest at a debate. |
It's why I said might.
I'm assuming you mean the GOP primary. Cause the general election was just 2 people.
2016 GOP primary debates were like pro wrestling. Tonight was like watching Roman gladiators fight to the death.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | AD23 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Unfortunately for Warren, it's probably a little too late. |
We're only two primaries in. |
She lost when she went after the uber rich |
No, she lost when she tried to hedge her bets between Sanders and Biden and not picking off a sufficient number of votes from either lane. Gender and age didn't help either.
But you can still vote for her. We're only two primaries in. She has a pathway to the nomination. |
Actually, that was the right lane for her. But she tried to get left if Bernie and then clumsily come back to the middle, and if you have no political instincts and are liked for being a straight shooter, that’s death. She should have said Biden doesn’t go far enough and Bernie can’t get where he wants to go. Here’s the solid middle (of the Dems) plan.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Seeing Bernie and Bloomberg polling top 2 nationally makes me really long for the days when Warren and Biden were the top 2. On both sides.
Bernie makes Warren seems like a realist. And Bloomberg makes Biden look like a progressive. |
The fact that she like likes to virtue signal with plan-itis I don't think makes her more realistic. Just like Sanders is playing to his populist base with simple plans and generalities to show what he stands for, she's doing the same to her audience of West Wing watchers dreaming of a presidency where the Ivy League educated rub elbows in the White House and hatch brilliant policies on the fly. |
So...close...to the mask falling. |
Just vile moronic remark after another. |
Misogynistic kayfabe from greenfrog. |
I found it fascinating that having a plan is virtue signaling snobbery, but generalities are the sweet spot of genuineness and effectiveness.
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