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| Omar Little wrote: | | Over/Under on the amount of time before Bernie's campaign uses this to distance themselves from their followers' actions? Bonus over under on how long until Comrade Greenwald weighs in? |
Bernie Sanders suggested that Russians were impersonating his most aggro supporters. Experts say there’s no evidence for that https://t.co/ornUu6cVYV
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) February 21, 2020
Looks like the answer to 1 was about 30 seconds
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Over/Under on the amount of time before Bernie's campaign uses this to distance themselves from their followers' actions? Bonus over under on how long until Comrade Greenwald weighs in? |
Bernie Sanders suggested that Russians were impersonating his most aggro supporters. Experts say there’s no evidence for that https://t.co/ornUu6cVYV
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) February 21, 2020
Looks like the answer to 1 was about 30 seconds |
Yeah, J*rdan Uhl doesn't seem Russian.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | This is not an old article from 2016. This is today. Washington Post: Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign
| Quote: | U.S. officials have told Sen. Bernie Sanders that Russia is attempting to help his presidential campaign as part of an effort to interfere with the Democratic contest, according to people familiar with the matter.
President Trump and lawmakers on Capitol Hill have also been informed about the Russian assistance to the Vermont senator, according to people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.
It is not clear what form that Russian assistance has taken. U.S. prosecutors found a Russian effort in 2016 to use social media to boost Sanders’s campaign against Hillary Clinton, part of a broader effort to hurt Clinton, sow dissension in the American electorate and ultimately help elect Donald Trump.
“I don’t care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president,” Sanders said in a statement to The Washington Post. “My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do. |
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“My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do.
Why wasn't this bolded? Seems to be a proper response. Has he said or done differently and this is not his true actions? |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | This is not an old article from 2016. This is today. Washington Post: Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign
| Quote: | U.S. officials have told Sen. Bernie Sanders that Russia is attempting to help his presidential campaign as part of an effort to interfere with the Democratic contest, according to people familiar with the matter.
President Trump and lawmakers on Capitol Hill have also been informed about the Russian assistance to the Vermont senator, according to people familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.
It is not clear what form that Russian assistance has taken. U.S. prosecutors found a Russian effort in 2016 to use social media to boost Sanders’s campaign against Hillary Clinton, part of a broader effort to hurt Clinton, sow dissension in the American electorate and ultimately help elect Donald Trump.
“I don’t care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president,” Sanders said in a statement to The Washington Post. “My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do. |
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Can they hold a Congressional hearing on this? Maybe inform Americans about what signs of disinformation and interference to look for...? |
This is what I want Bernie to do.. come out and help clarify what he knows
ALSO.. this should be brought up that 2016 was Russia helping Trump..
People really need to ask him why he has met in secret with Putin every time they are near each other? |
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Maybe the real pee tape...was Bernie all along.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Over/Under on the amount of time before Bernie's campaign uses this to distance themselves from their followers' actions? Bonus over under on how long until Comrade Greenwald weighs in? |
I don’t know if I can/should punish Bernie or his campaign for Russia.
| Quote: | | “I don’t care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president,” Sanders said in a statement to The Washington Post. “My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do. |
It’s pretty dissimilar to Trump’s relationship with Russia.
But I do hold some of Bernie, his supporters, and Greenwald’s other choices and statements against them though.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Over/Under on the amount of time before Bernie's campaign uses this to distance themselves from their followers' actions? Bonus over under on how long until Comrade Greenwald weighs in? |
I don’t know if I can/should punish Bernie or his campaign for Russia.
| Quote: | | “I don’t care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president,” Sanders said in a statement to The Washington Post. “My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do. |
It’s pretty dissimilar to Trump’s relationship with Russia.
But I do hold some of Bernie, his supporters, and Greenwald’s other choices and statements against them though. |
It's just another in a long line of things that others are doing on his behalf that he, again, has no idea is happening. Which is great when you're asking people to make you the most powerful and responsible executive in the world.
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And here's a video of Bernie responding to why he was briefed a month ago and we're only now hearing about it? (Bernie has apparently known for a month and didn't say anything. If this turns out to not be the case, I apologize in advance, but that's how it's being reported.)
He blames the Washington Post for smearing him one day before the Nevada caucuses:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Tristanshouts/status/1230995621760290816
Sound familiar? He (apparently) hid information from Democratic voters but he's blaming the press for reporting the truth.
Screw this (bleep).
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Over/Under on the amount of time before Bernie's campaign uses this to distance themselves from their followers' actions? Bonus over under on how long until Comrade Greenwald weighs in? |
Bernie Sanders suggested that Russians were impersonating his most aggro supporters. Experts say there’s no evidence for that https://t.co/ornUu6cVYV
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) February 21, 2020
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That may be what the campaign is saying. But I quickly skimmed through some social media pages, and what I've noticed is that many of his supporters are dismissing the story as fake, that the government is trying to stop him as the main anti-establishment candidate.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It's just another in a long line of things that others are doing on his behalf that he, again, has no idea is happening. Which is great when you're asking people to make you the most powerful and responsible executive in the world. |
I don't know if you're saying Bernie's lying about not knowing about the Russian assistance, or he genuinely was ignorant. But it probably doesn't matter. Neither scenario is good.
I don't think anybody should support or reject a candidate based on Russian interference. 2 major considerations should be policy and who you believe can defeat Trump. And which order one puts on those 2 things is up to their own discretion. I prefer the latter.
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| If as Democrats we say it's not "okay" for Russia to help Trump, then we can't turn around and pretend it's "okay" if they are helping a Democratic nominee. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | It's just another in a long line of things that others are doing on his behalf that he, again, has no idea is happening. Which is great when you're asking people to make you the most powerful and responsible executive in the world. |
I don't know if you're saying Bernie's lying about not knowing about the Russian assistance, or he genuinely was ignorant. But it probably doesn't matter. Neither scenario is good.
I don't think anybody should support or reject a candidate based on Russian interference. 2 major considerations should be policy and who you believe can defeat Trump. And which order one puts on those 2 things is up to their own discretion. |
I'm saying he has staffers and surrogates and followers and Russian bots and agents doing all kinds of stuff for him and he never seems to own any of it.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | It's just another in a long line of things that others are doing on his behalf that he, again, has no idea is happening. Which is great when you're asking people to make you the most powerful and responsible executive in the world. |
I've said it before on matters like this. Sure does appear Bernie is either incompetent or very dishonest (that's not to say he can't be both).
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | If as Democrats we say it's not "okay" for Russia to help Trump, then we can't turn around and pretend it's "okay" if they are helping a Democratic nominee. |
I don't think anybody is saying it's okay. Even his supporters. The question is should that mean we shouldn't vote for someone if Russia chooses to aid them online. I wouldn't say that if Russia chose to aid Warren. So I can't say it for Bernie either.
The problem is that it's even possible for Russia to effectively do this.
Not to mention a President asking, coordinating, and quid pro quoing for the Russian aid. None of which is the case for ANY Dem candidate.
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| Wilt wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Over/Under on the amount of time before Bernie's campaign uses this to distance themselves from their followers' actions? Bonus over under on how long until Comrade Greenwald weighs in? |
Bernie Sanders suggested that Russians were impersonating his most aggro supporters. Experts say there’s no evidence for that https://t.co/ornUu6cVYV
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) February 21, 2020
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That may be what the campaign is saying. But I quickly skimmed through some social media pages, and what I've noticed is that many of his supporters are dismissing the story as fake, that the government is trying to stop him as the main anti-establishment candidate. |
Like I said, the mirror image of Trump fans.
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I don't think we should give Russia the power to both uplift Republican candidates AND destroy Democrat candidates.
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| kikanga wrote: | | I don't think we should give Russia the power to both uplift Republican candidates AND destroy Democrat candidates. |
Right, we should give them the candidate they want to show them we aren't afraid of them.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | I don't think we should give Russia the power to both uplift Republican candidates AND destroy Democrat candidates. |
Right, we should give them the candidate they want to show them we aren't afraid of them. |
No we shouldn't weigh their opinion at all. I'm just trying to imagine if they supported my preferred candidate and acting accordingly.
Feel like people are working backwards from not wanting him to be the nominee in the first place. I don't want him either. But what I don't want more is seeing the (bleep) that is our party rejecting the possible leader in electoral votes. People think his supporters stayed home in 2016. It would be twice as bad.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | If as Democrats we say it's not "okay" for Russia to help Trump, then we can't turn around and pretend it's "okay" if they are helping a Democratic nominee. |
But there's no way for the Sanders campaign to stop Russian interference. Trump openly and surreptitiously petitioned Russia for election interference in 2016 (not to mention what he's doing now).
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| ChickenStu wrote: | Chris D. Jackson
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2014 Russia Sanctions - nay
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He's generally an anti-sanctions guy, fwiw. Most of these were dumb, meaningless purity test protest votes.
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Look at me defending Bernie. I don't like this one bit.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Look at me defending Bernie. I don't like this one bit. |
On second thought. Bernie is a Russian asset.
And the only answer is he endorses Warren and drops out. She'll unify the party and defeat Trump!!! #Warren2020
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