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| NMLaker wrote: | | Uh, oversight is one of congresses jobs. And this admin needs more oversight than others. |
This is understatement at its purest and finest. 
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | Theseus wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Pelosi is establishing a House select committee to investigate the administration's coronavirus response. It will be chaired by Jim Clyburn. |
Good idea Nancy! What a tool. |
I'm out of the loop, what is wrong with the idea? |
At some point, you just have to accept the results of an election that took place almost four years ago and move on.
As Speaker of the House, you could argue her legacy of accomplishments (it is one witch hunt after another instead of doing her job for the people) is the weakest in the history of the position.
Just my two cents. Man up, get a better candidate and beat him already. Another four years of this bellyaching is going to be unbearable. |
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Without your two Cents, you'd have no Cents at all.
Don't worry, you can just claim Bankruptcy like the orange tub of lard you worship at the altar of goofy Faux news- who in their infinite wisdom told their majority Senior citizen viewers that the Virus was a hoax!
When the Virus hits the red states in Rural areas, that gonna be Nancy, or Barry, or Hillary's fault?
How old are you?
Wondering if you are one of those senior citizen aged Fox Viewers... If so, please remember to wash your hands and wear a mask. |
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| LakerLanny wrote: | At some point, you just have to accept the results of an election that took place almost four years ago and move on.
As Speaker of the House, you could argue her legacy of accomplishments (it is one witch hunt after another instead of doing her job for the people) is the weakest in the history of the position.
Just my two cents. Man up, get a better candidate and beat him already. Another four years of this bellyaching is going to be unbearable. |
After hearing your description of Pelosi. I'm guessing you don't know what the Affordable Care act is. Or any of the legislations that pulled us out of the 2007 recession. Or the hundreds of bills the House has sent to McConnell in the past decade including the ones surrounding the "witch hunts".
And I see you enjoy parroting Donald Trump's vocabulary and talking points.
You can take a meta/high ground philosophy. Or you can brush off blackmailing foreign powers to try to win an election as a witch hunt.
But you can't do both.
Your post is akin to complaining about a person trying to put out a fire in their home (Pelosi). And then complaining about people discussing the cause of the fire (us). "Geez, this bellyaching about the arsonist (Trump) is unbearable!!!"
FWIW, I think all of us in this thread and Speaker Pelosi accept the 2016 election results. And more importantly we aren't afraid to acknowledge the repercussions from it. Which we are all suffering from now. Even the ones not "bellyaching".
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^ Which is why I didn't believe for one second that posting that debunked Biden video the other day was some innocent mistake and that he hadn't seen it before. The subsequent posts, full of Trumpian talking points and vocabulary, give it away.
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Russian election interference = hoax
Ukraine blackmail scandal = hoax
Nancy Pelosi = weak, do-nothing tool
Congressional oversight = sour grapes over 2016 election
Those are all right-wing, Trumpian talking points that have no basis in reality. If you come here and spout those talking points and people react and call it out, then it's not "bellyaching." It's an attempt to refute the lies.
I personally posted at least a dozen articles over the last few pages detailing incidence after incidence of Trump's incompetence in handling the current COVID-19 crisis. But instead of reading the articles, absorbing new information and debating the information, it's apparently easier to get mad at Nancy Pelosi for trying to do oversight of the executive branch - which is her actual job. That's like blaming the cop for investigating the bank robber. And to top it all off, we're the bellyachers?
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Appointing your incompetent, inexperienced son-in-law to head up the response to a dangerous pandemic is another milestone in Trump's incompetent handling of the crisis:
| Quote: | Reporting on the White House’s herky-jerky coronavirus response, Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman has a quotation from Jared Kushner that should make all Americans, and particularly all New Yorkers, dizzy with terror.
According to Sherman, when New York’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, said that the state would need 30,000 ventilators at the apex of the coronavirus outbreak, Kushner decided that Cuomo was being alarmist. “I have all this data about I.C.U. capacity,” Kushner reportedly said. “I’m doing my own projections, and I’ve gotten a lot smarter about this. New York doesn’t need all the ventilators.” (Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country’s top expert on infectious diseases, has said he trusts Cuomo’s estimate.)
Even now, it’s hard to believe that someone with as little expertise as Kushner could be so arrogant, but he said something similar on Thursday, when he made his debut at the White House’s daily coronavirus briefing: “People who have requests for different products and supplies, a lot of them are doing it based on projections which are not the realistic projections.”
Kushner has succeeded at exactly three things in his life. He was born to the right parents, married well and learned how to influence his father-in-law. Most of his other endeavors — his biggest real estate deal, his foray into newspaper ownership, his attempt to broker a peace deal between the Israelis and the Palestinians — have been failures.
Undeterred, he has now arrogated to himself a major role in fighting the epochal health crisis that’s brought America to its knees. “Behind the scenes, Kushner takes charge of coronavirus response,” said a Politico headline on Wednesday. This is dilettantism raised to the level of sociopathy. |
| Quote: | | Kushner, Bernstein told me, “really sees himself as a disrupter.” Again and again, she said, people who’d dealt with Kushner told her that whatever he did, he “believed he could do it better than anybody else, and he had supreme confidence in his own abilities and his own judgment even when he didn’t know what he was talking about.” |
| Quote: | “Mr. Kushner’s early involvement with dealing with the virus was in advising the president that the media’s coverage exaggerated the threat,” reported The Times. It was apparently at Kushner’s urging that Trump announced, falsely, that Google was about to launch a website that would link Americans with coronavirus testing. (As The Atlantic reported, a health insurance company co-founded by Kushner’s brother — which Kushner once owned a stake in — tried to build such a site, before the project was “suddenly and mysteriously scrapped.”)
The president was reportedly furious over the website debacle, but Kushner’s authority hasn’t been curbed. Politico reported that Kushner, “alongside a kitchen cabinet of outside experts including his former roommate and a suite of McKinsey consultants, has taken charge of the most important challenges facing the federal government,” including the production and distribution of medical supplies and the expansion of testing. Kushner has embedded his own people in the Federal Emergency Management Agency; a senior official described them to The Times as “a ‘frat party’ that descended from a U.F.O. and invaded the federal government.”
Disaster response requires discipline and adherence to a clear chain of command, not the move-fast-and-break-things approach of start-up culture. Even if Kushner “were the most competent person in the world, which he clearly isn’t, introducing these kind of competing power centers into a crisis response structure is a guaranteed problem,” Jeremy Konyndyk, a former U.S.A.I.D. official who helped manage the response to the Ebola crisis during Barack Obama’s administration, told me. “So you could have Trump and Kushner and Pence and the governors all be the smartest people in the room, but if there are multiple competing power centers trying to drive this response, it’s still going to be chaos.” |
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There's a reason why the Trump administration is always in chaos, and a reason why Trump has been involved in 10,000 law suits and multiple bankruptcies. And the reason is Trump and his incompetence, not Nancy Pelosi. |
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Here's another one: Detroit Free Press: Trump hasn't ordered any ventilators from GM, despite saying he was using wartime powers to force production
| Quote: | Nearly a week after invoking his powers under a Korean War-era law to compel General Motors to manufacture ventilators for coronavirus, President Donald Trump’s administration has not formally ordered any of the machines, USA TODAY has learned.
As governors warn of severe shortages of ventilators, Trump has been hesitant to use his wartime powers to force companies to ramp up production under the Defense Production Act, arguing that such an order amounts to a takeover of private industry.
But Trump said Friday he would use the act to require General Motors to make ventilators after what he described as a dispute with the company over supply and pricing. Three administration officials speaking on the condition of anonymity told USA TODAY that the government is still exploring its options and has not yet placed an order under the Defense Production Act for any of the machines.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency "continues to work within its authorities to coordinate with the private sector," an agency spokesperson who declined to be identified said when asked about the lack of an order to GM. Federal agencies are "in the process of reviewing these delegated authorities," the person said.
General Motors declined to answer questions about Trump's use of the DPA but said in a statement it was "moving forward to build as many ventilators as we can as fast as we can." |
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Richard Wolffe lays it all out in one article: As the numbers of dead and unemployed grow, Trump looks and sounds smaller
| Quote: | The trump card of Donald Trump was always going to be the economy. If it wasn’t the job market, it was the stock market. You could read it every day in his endless, mindless tweeting or the oh-so-subtle briefings of his campaign aides. November was going to be all about the economy, stupid.
Having ripped off so much of Ronald Reagan’s 1980s paraphernalia – including the slogan he now claims to have invented himself – Trump was all set to ask the voters the same question that Reagan posed just before his own re-election: are you better off than you were four years ago?
For an astonishingly large number of Americans, their answer is a deafeningly loud no. For almost everyone else, the answer is soon to be no.
This week’s unemployment numbers have taken the same rocket-ship trajectory as the number of coronavirus cases. Last week it was a record 3.3 million new claims; this week it doubled to another 6.65 million new claims. That’s almost 10 million newly unemployed Americans: more than the previous 10 months combined.
Experts already believe that the unemployment rate has jumped from historic lows of 3.5% to numbers we haven’t seen since the Great Depression of around 17%. You don’t need to be an expert to know we have yet to reach peak pain. |
| Quote: | But we also need to talk about the carnival barker who played a businessman on reality TV for a few years. Because we have never seen someone more ill-suited for leadership at a time of crisis. The history books tell us about Herbert Hoover’s failures to intervene to stop the Great Depression. They tell us about James Buchanan’s support for slavery and his failure to head off the secession of the slave states.
Still, Trump stands alone: an incredibly shrinking man who looks and sounds smaller as the numbers of dead and unemployed grow ever larger. Even George W Bush’s epically disastrous war in Iraq pales into insignificance. More Americans have died from this pandemic than in Bush’s war of choice: more than 6,000 dead at the most recent count.
Before the revisionists try too hard to make us forget, Trump’s leadership as the virus spread was as loud as a red cap perched on an orange combover. He abolished the pandemic group inside his own national security council, set aside the pandemic playbook left by his predecessor, and proposed cutting the CDC’s funding at the very moment the pandemic was taking hold. He spent February pretending like the pandemic was a hoax or would disappear, and spent March telling governors to fend for themselves.
So how did he respond to the worst weekly unemployment claims in American history? By changing the subject to the oil industry, suggesting that the Saudis and Russians might just be cutting production. As he bizarrely tweeted to a shell-shocked nation, “If it happens, will be GREAT for the oil & gas industry.”
Only this sociopath of a president could imagine that what’s good for the oil industry is good for the souls of 10 million newly unemployed Americans. |
| Quote: | | Sadly Trump’s capacity to learn is far smaller than the economy’s capacity to shed jobs. So we have stimulus cash designed to help people through the worst of the pandemic arriving not this month, or next, or the one after that. Some people won’t receive the help until September, according to internal documents from the Internal Revenue Service. |
| Quote: | | Today, as unemployment approaches twice that rate, Trump is already trailing Biden in the three battleground states that narrowly won him the presidency four years ago: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Those states just happen to be where the spike in unemployment claims is among the highest in the country. |
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I have to hand it to Trump: I didn't think he would tank the economy he inherited from Obama in his first term.
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Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response
| Quote: | Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.
An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve.
The president's latest rating in the survey shows Trump's support backsliding from the levels he achieved in mid-March, when more than half of Americans, 55 percent, approved of his response and 43 percent disapproved.
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Mid-March approve/disapprove: 55/43
April 1st approve/disapprove: 47/52
Approval dropped 8 points
Disapproval increased 9 points |
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| I don't get out too often these days, but I kind of liked paying $1.62 for gas. Why the (bleep) would our President actively work against that, considering we're looking at months of having no income? |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response
| Quote: | Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.
An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve.
The president's latest rating in the survey shows Trump's support backsliding from the levels he achieved in mid-March, when more than half of Americans, 55 percent, approved of his response and 43 percent disapproved.
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Mid-March approve/disapprove: 55/43
April 1st approve/disapprove: 47/52
Approval dropped 8 points
Disapproval increased 9 points |
The fact that it isn't 100% disapproval is a disturbing indictment of a portion of our populace.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response
| Quote: | Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.
An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve.
The president's latest rating in the survey shows Trump's support backsliding from the levels he achieved in mid-March, when more than half of Americans, 55 percent, approved of his response and 43 percent disapproved.
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Mid-March approve/disapprove: 55/43
April 1st approve/disapprove: 47/52
Approval dropped 8 points
Disapproval increased 9 points |
If the doubling every 3 days rate continues, we could be looking at nearly 50,000 deaths by the end of next week. Can't wait to see who he blames then. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | I have to hand it to Trump: I didn't think he would tank the economy he inherited from Obama in his first term. |
I mean. It takes a special mind to bankrupt a casino as well. I'm so ashamed of my alma mater for giving him a business degree.
I bet the browser history on his phone has searches like:
"who do you declare bankruptcy to, if you are the government?"
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| ribeye wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Pathetic.
| Quote: | Kasie Hunt @kasie NEW with @AlexNBCNews
Week of April 13 is earliest Americans will see direct deposit relief payments from the government; paper checks could take as long as 20 weeks -- nearly 5 months -- for some Americans
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The poorest Americans who need the money the most likely won't have direct deposit (however you filed your last tax return). In 5 months they will have been evicted. |
It's going to be a long recovery. The ballyhooed 4th phase stimulus plan from House Dems needs to be big with long timelines and automatic triggers. |
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and what incentive is there for Republicans to do that? They already got everything they cared about in the 3rd one. |
Trump wants it. He wants to steal the Dems idea for infrastructure reform, which is really needed, is the best Keynesian approach, and politically savvy. |
Pelosi and crew are pivoting back to direct cash injections, putting infrastructure on the back burner. Maybe Dem leadership now sees just how long this timeline will be given Trump's incompetence.
I do think rural broadband and plumbing should still be on the table given how important they are to people staying at home for weeks on end, but infrastructure stimulus is some of what they'll need to goose the economic recovery next year when hopefully there will be a vaccine.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response
| Quote: | Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.
An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve.
The president's latest rating in the survey shows Trump's support backsliding from the levels he achieved in mid-March, when more than half of Americans, 55 percent, approved of his response and 43 percent disapproved.
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Mid-March approve/disapprove: 55/43
April 1st approve/disapprove: 47/52
Approval dropped 8 points
Disapproval increased 9 points |
The fact that it isn't 100% disapproval is a disturbing indictment of a portion of our populace. |
Yes I agree, but give it a little more time (I said last week that his numbers would start to go south as more people died and unemployment spiked).
The 47 approval is basically his cult core (41-44%) plus a few points of low information swing voters. In this atmosphere, even low information voters will eventually experience some kind of pain first hand. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | I have to hand it to Trump: I didn't think he would tank the economy he inherited from Obama in his first term. |
I mean. It takes a special mind to bankrupt a casino as well. I'm so ashamed of my alma mater for giving him a business degree.
I bet the browser history on his phone has searches like:
"who do you declare bankruptcy to, if you are the government?" |
What was the old line...? Something like, "Trump's the only guy who couldn't sell booze, steak, or gambling to Americans."
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Pelosi is establishing a House select committee to investigate the administration's coronavirus response. It will be chaired by Jim Clyburn. |
Good idea Nancy! What a tool. |
It if mostly focuses on the inevitable scandals in the stimulus bill, and had some sheen of bipartisanship and independence in it's selection it would be useful. That doesn't seem to be what she's going for, however.
Btw, there is no committee and won't be for some time because Pelosi is against remote voting ("not every House member has broadband... blah, blah") and they're not returning to Washington anytime soon. |
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The fact that it isn't 100% disapproval is a disturbing indictment of a portion of our populace. |
I agree, but that's what happens when those people get their news ONLY from Fox News and other right wing echo chamber sources.
Here is a crazy and probably completely impractical idea. What if Congress passed legislation that forced every 24 hour news network to carry a percentage of news content generated by other major 24 hour news networks. Requiring a percentage of news every hour to be presented by MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, CNBC, NPR.
I'm sure there are huge flaws in my idea...I just would be happy if people on the right would get out of their echo chamber of news more often, and I'd be personally fine with consuming more right wing content too if it meant less polarization. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response
| Quote: | Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.
An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve.
The president's latest rating in the survey shows Trump's support backsliding from the levels he achieved in mid-March, when more than half of Americans, 55 percent, approved of his response and 43 percent disapproved.
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Mid-March approve/disapprove: 55/43
April 1st approve/disapprove: 47/52
Approval dropped 8 points
Disapproval increased 9 points |
The fact that it isn't 100% disapproval is a disturbing indictment of a portion of our populace. |
Really shows you how tough it's gonna be to beat him in November. Alot of fake moderates, independents, undecideds out there just looking for an excuse to support Trump.
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| Surfitall wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
The fact that it isn't 100% disapproval is a disturbing indictment of a portion of our populace. |
I agree, but that's what happens when those people get their news ONLY from Fox News and other right wing echo chamber sources.
Here is a crazy and probably completely impractical idea. What if Congress passed legislation that forced every 24 hour news network to carry a percentage of news content generated by other major 24 hour news networks. Requiring a percentage of news every hour to be presented by MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, CNBC, NPR.
I'm sure there are huge flaws in my idea...I just would be happy if people on the right would get out of their echo chamber of news more often, and I'd be personally fine with consuming more right wing content too if it meant less polarization. |
It's certainly a great idea as far as ensuring that the full spectrum of information is readily available to all. The only inherent flaw I can see (and it's not really a flaw in your idea, more of a hinderance to its effectiveness) is that providing differing information and viewpoints isn't by necessarily going overcome come the personal barriers of those who are exposed to it.
Sure, the FOX-only viewer has a specific viewpoint because they are effectively indoctrinated to it and they don't want it any differently than that.
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| kikanga wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response
| Quote: | Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.
An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve.
The president's latest rating in the survey shows Trump's support backsliding from the levels he achieved in mid-March, when more than half of Americans, 55 percent, approved of his response and 43 percent disapproved.
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Mid-March approve/disapprove: 55/43
April 1st approve/disapprove: 47/52
Approval dropped 8 points
Disapproval increased 9 points |
The fact that it isn't 100% disapproval is a disturbing indictment of a portion of our populace. |
Really shows you how tough it's gonna be to beat him in November. Alot of fake moderates, independents, undecideds out there just looking for an excuse to support Trump. |
from my post above:
| Quote: | | Today, as unemployment approaches twice that rate, Trump is already trailing Biden in the three battleground states that narrowly won him the presidency four years ago: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Those states just happen to be where the spike in unemployment claims is among the highest in the country. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:59 am Post subject: |
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If your loved one gets sick with COVID-19, no amount of Fox News can convince you that it's no big deal, even if you live in a red state. If you lose your job and can't pay the rent, no amount of spin can convince you there's nothing to worry about. This thing is a ticking time bomb in red states because their governors were the last to take it seriously and impose stay at home orders-- and many still haven't. Rural hospitals are few and far between will be overrun much quicker than urban hospitals.
Lies and propaganda only work when you imagine it's all happening to someone else. But when it happens to you? The blinders are more likely to come off.
This thing is going from bad to worse. We aren't even close to bottoming out. His approval numbers are likely headed south for a while. |
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