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| kikanga wrote: | As a black person. I'm insulted by this whole situation. Black people didn't vote for Kamala because they didn't believe in her electability. Black people didn't even vote for Barack till he won meaningful Dem caucuses. We're skeptics by nature, (maybe?) design, and necessity. But all of a sudden we're gonna vote for Kanye in THIS election?
This is truly a plan made by someone (Trump) who thinks African Americans are sub-human in terms of intelligence |
Yes, exactly. But they've already proven that they can get white people to elect Trump because he's rich and a reality show host -- so far their plan is 1-0. They just have to tell people what they want to hear. Of course they're going to try more of the same this time.
I'm wondering who the dems can stand-up as a far, far right stooge in order to try to siphon votes away from Trump.... I'm thinking Ted Nugent.
And I'm pretty sure Ted Nugent would siphon more votes away from Trump than Kanye would from Biden. |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | As a black person. I'm insulted by this whole situation. Black people didn't vote for Kamala because they didn't believe in her electability. Black people didn't even vote for Barack till he won meaningful Dem caucuses. We're skeptics by nature, (maybe?) design, and necessity. But all of a sudden we're gonna vote for Kanye in THIS election?
This is truly a plan made by someone (Trump) who thinks African Americans are sub-human in terms of intelligence |
Yes, exactly. But they've already proven that they can get white people to elect Trump because he's rich and a reality show host -- so far their plan is 1-0. They just have to tell people what they want to hear. Of course they're going to try more of the same this time.
I'm wondering who the dems can stand-up as a far, far right stooge in order to try to siphon votes away from Trump.... I'm thinking Ted Nugent.
And I'm pretty sure Ted Nugent would siphon more votes away from Trump than Kanye would from Biden. |
Kanye's not a problem. Kandasian is a joke in the Black community. He'll siphon few, if any, votes from Biden.
What far right stooge? To name a few.
1) Nikki Haley
2) Mitt Romney
3) Ted Cruz
4) Mike Pompeo
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This is a disturbing article.
I'll give Dump this, he's brazen (bold and without shame). He lies in the face of fact with a straight face.
Trump hosted a press conference where he repeated falsehoods at his New Jersey golf club with dozens of not socially-distanced attendees present
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| Quote: | He went on to claim that in the United States, on the other hand, "the pandemic it's disappearing, it's going to disappear," he said.
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| Quote: | | The president claimed that states in which the country saw devastating surges in infections, like Texas, Arizona, and Florida, are now "stabilizing," and states that bore the brunt of the coronavirus outbreaks, like New York and New Jersey, Trump said, "we have not seen a resurgence." |
| Quote: | "That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor — we have to cover pre-existing conditions," the president said. "So we will be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions for all of its customers."
"That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor — we have to cover pre-existing conditions," the president said. "So we will be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions for all of its customers." |
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More sabotage of the post office in plain sight including a Friday night Massacre and raising rates for mail-in ballots:
Washington Post: Postal Service overhauls leadership as Democrats press for investigation of mail delays
| Quote: | Postmaster General Louis DeJoy unveiled a sweeping overhaul of the nation’s mail service, displacing the two top executives overseeing day-to-day operations, according to a reorganization memo released Friday. The shake-up came as congressional Democrats called for an investigation of DeJoy and the cost-cutting measures that have slowed mail delivery and ensnared ballots in recent primary elections.
Twenty-three postal executives were reassigned or displaced, the new organizational chart shows. Analysts say the structure centralizes power around DeJoy, a former logistics executive and major ally of President Trump, and de-emphasizes decades of institutional postal knowledge. All told, 33 staffers included in the old postal hierarchy either kept their jobs or were reassigned in the restructuring, with five more staffers joining the leadership from other roles.
The reshuffling threatens to heighten tensions between postal officials and lawmakers, who are troubled by delivery delays — the Postal Service banned employees from working overtime and making extra trips to deliver mail — and wary of the Trump administration’s influence on the Postal Service as the coronavirus pandemic rages and November’s election draws near. |
This is eliminating decades of institutional knowledge and experience in favor of concentrating power in Trump's political appointee.
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| Quote: | The American Prospect @TheProspect
The Postal Service has informed states that they’ll need to pay first-class 55-cent postage to mail ballots to voters, rather than the normal 20-cent bulk rate. That nearly triples the per-ballot cost. |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Pelosi has the leverage and she knows it, so she’s not going to sell out cheap.There’s going to be a coalition of vulnerable republicans knocking on her door soon. She just has to wait out the grandstanding leadership. |
Ehh. I dunno. Most reports are saying the biggest hurdle to a bill right now are far right Republicans. More specifically Senators further right than McConnell. I appreciate Pelosi. But I don't agree with what you're saying in this instance.
I underlined Senators because they are more moderate by design than other Republicans in the legislature (House GOP). Which further prooves the extreme polarity in 2020 US politics coming from the right that's creating this problem right now. |
McConnell only needs to get 12 other senators out of 52 to get it done. It’s not the far right guys, it’s the “I don’t want to break ranks but I’m vulnerable” guys. And McConnell isn’t leaning on them yet. He’s playing along too.
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Friday night massacre at USPS: Trump ally completely restructures, gets rid of 23 execs
| Quote: | | Louis DeJoy, a Donald Trump flunky, was appointed to be Postmaster General despite him having ZERO experience at the Post Office—which is unheard of. He was, however, a major donor to the Republican Party and to Trump’s campaign. DeJoy and his wife also have serious conflicts of interest, since they both have assets between $30.1 million and $75.3 million in USPS competitors or contractors. [Emphasis mine.] |
| Quote: | The U.S. Postal Service (USPS) now has a serious backlog of letters and packages, which are piling up at distribution centers. Despite the increase in packages during the pandemic, Trump’s new Postmaster General has cut hours and banned all overtime, and is also placing fewer trucks on the road. He even changed priorities in mailing.
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| Quote: | Postmaster General Louis DeJoy unveiled a sweeping overhaul of the nation’s mail service, displacing the two top executives overseeing day-to-day operations, according to a reorganization memo released Friday. The shake-up came as congressional Democrats called for an investigation of DeJoy and the cost-cutting measures that have slowed mail delivery and ensnared ballots in recent primary elections.
Twenty-three postal executives were reassigned or displaced, the new organizational chart shows. Analysts say the structure centralizes power around DeJoy, a former logistics executive and major ally of President Trump, and de-emphasizes decades of institutional postal knowledge. All told, 33 staffers included in the old postal hierarchy either kept their jobs or were reassigned in the restructuring, with five more staffers joining the leadership from other roles. |
Much more at the link above and at the Washington Post
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And there's more, though this is second hand due to a paywall:
Stamp Inflation
| Quote: | | I want to point to something that only the (paywalled) Capitol Forum has pointed out. The Postal Service has informed states that they’ll need to pay first-class 55-cent postage to mail ballots to voters, rather than the normal 20-cent bulk rate. That nearly triples the per-ballot cost at a time when tens of millions more will be delivered. The rate change would have to go through the Postal Regulatory Commission and, undoubtedly, litigation. But the time frame for that is incredibly short, as ballots go out very soon. |
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Trumps playing dirty pool. Dems have to counter his moves. He's gonna use his office and cheat. All those thinking this is a wrap for Biden better buckle up. This is gonna be a rough ride.
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| ribeye wrote: | | More freedom (to kill others) fighters. |
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Motaurs are aholes it turns out. GEICO should stop trying to make them lovable. Sturgis is one of those things that's gonna happen no matter what with these kinda folk. Murca, freedom patriot Trumper types. We like Trump because he says what's on his mind and doesn't lie to us like them other politicians. That kinda thing. Hope there are a lot of Herm Cains in there and that they keep their yuck to themselves, tho, unfortunately, that's wishful thinking.
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Darn, those Article 1 powers just keep getting in the way of being a king.
Hey, here is an idea for the Republican Leader, Tovarisch Trump: Promise to add your face to Mount Rushmore and that Mexico, or maybe China, will pay for it. I'd say Russia, but we all know they would, gladly.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | More sabotage of the post office in plain sight including a Friday night Massacre and raising rates for mail-in ballots:
Washington Post: Postal Service overhauls leadership as Democrats press for investigation of mail delays
| Quote: | Postmaster General Louis DeJoy unveiled a sweeping overhaul of the nation’s mail service, displacing the two top executives overseeing day-to-day operations, according to a reorganization memo released Friday. The shake-up came as congressional Democrats called for an investigation of DeJoy and the cost-cutting measures that have slowed mail delivery and ensnared ballots in recent primary elections.
Twenty-three postal executives were reassigned or displaced, the new organizational chart shows. Analysts say the structure centralizes power around DeJoy, a former logistics executive and major ally of President Trump, and de-emphasizes decades of institutional postal knowledge. All told, 33 staffers included in the old postal hierarchy either kept their jobs or were reassigned in the restructuring, with five more staffers joining the leadership from other roles.
The reshuffling threatens to heighten tensions between postal officials and lawmakers, who are troubled by delivery delays — the Postal Service banned employees from working overtime and making extra trips to deliver mail — and wary of the Trump administration’s influence on the Postal Service as the coronavirus pandemic rages and November’s election draws near. |
This is eliminating decades of institutional knowledge and experience in favor of concentrating power in Trump's political appointee.
And this:
| Quote: | The American Prospect @TheProspect
The Postal Service has informed states that they’ll need to pay first-class 55-cent postage to mail ballots to voters, rather than the normal 20-cent bulk rate. That nearly triples the per-ballot cost. |
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I just read a very out-of-place email from USPS to our business. First, it named the new heads of departments. We never get emails on this kind of admin stuff. Second, of course, if all sounded very benign. And that just came off as creepy to me. And, of course, it was sent on Friday at 5:15 p.m. Minutes after the normal workday is over for the week.
Alarming. Reeks of fascism (or even communism when taking over power). One of those classic regime moves when they consolidate more power. Take something seemingly benign but vital, power grab/massacre to take control and own its operations. We just did this same sort of thing with Voice of America not long ago, too. (And, of course, we're trying to shutdown down TikTok, as well.) |
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Trump just signed executive orders for a payroll tax deferment, extending unemployment $400 a week and deferring evictions. Can he even do any of those things without Congress?
So let me see how this works. GOP in Congress negotiates in bad faith with no intention of passing anything. Trump steps in with some very questionable executive orders that make him look good during his stupid press conference. Democrats, as they should, say “not so fast you can’t even do this.” Trump and the GOP accuse Democrats of wanting to harm Americans for not wanting to allow these executive orders. Stupid voters cheer Trump on, ignoring the fact that House Democrats passed a new relief bill months ago. |
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Congress controls the budget. He doesn't have the power to do any of those things. It's all more of his BS propaganda and wannabe dictator crap.
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| trmiv wrote: | Trump just signed executive orders for a payroll tax deferment, extending unemployment $400 a week and deferring evictions. Can he even do any of those things without Congress?
So let me see how this works. GOP in Congress negotiates in bad faith with no intention of passing anything. Trump steps in with some very questionable executive orders that make him look good during his stupid press conference. Democrats, as they should, say “not so fast you can’t even do this.” Trump and the GOP accuse Democrats of wanting to harm Americans for not wanting to allow these executive orders. Stupid voters cheer Trump on, ignoring the fact that House Democrats passed a new relief bill months ago. |
Didn't Dems ask for $600?
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| trmiv wrote: | Trump just signed executive orders for a payroll tax deferment, extending unemployment $400 a week and deferring evictions. Can he even do any of those things without Congress?
So let me see how this works. GOP in Congress negotiates in bad faith with no intention of passing anything. Trump steps in with some very questionable executive orders that make him look good during his stupid press conference. Democrats, as they should, say “not so fast you can’t even do this.” Trump and the GOP accuse Democrats of wanting to harm Americans for not wanting to allow these executive orders. Stupid voters cheer Trump on, ignoring the fact that House Democrats passed a new relief bill months ago. |
As for the tax deferment, since
| Quote: | | The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States |
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The U.S. Supreme Court has held[6] that all executive orders from the president of the United States must be supported by the Constitution, whether from a clause granting specific power, or by Congress delegating such to the executive branch.[7] Specifically, such orders must be rooted in Article II of the US Constitution or enacted by the Congress in statutes. Attempts to block such orders have been successful at times when such orders exceeded the authority of the president or could be better handled through legislation.[8] From Wiki.
you would think only Congress can alter or lower a tax. But in Trump world, the rules have been bent if not broken. Also, since the $600 unemployment legislation has lapsed, Trump's $400 plan becomes a new rule/mandate, not originated by congress.
As for extending unemployment, deferring evictions, and deferring student loans I would think, at least, the latter would apply since there is no specific power granted in Article 2 of the constitution for any, and obviously, would be better handled by congress.
I can see the Democrats challenging about the payroll tax and would not be surprised to see other business groups challenging unemployment and evictions. Of course, for these, the plaintiff(s) must have standing--a real stake in it.
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Congress has the power of the purse. Period. Ergo Trump can't do anything involving taxes or disbursement of government money. And the payroll tax thing would directly withhold funding of Medicare and Social Security, which he also can't do by executive order.
IT'S ALL A CON. IT'S ALWAYS A CON.
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| Quote: | Jason Kander @JasonKander
The President is signing executive orders and memos that pretend to accomplish Democratic policy goals.
It’s a head fake toward the middle, because we’re winning the argument. |
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| Omar Little wrote: |
McConnell only needs to get 12 other senators out of 52 to get it done. It’s not the far right guys, it’s the “I don’t want to break ranks but I’m vulnerable” guys. And McConnell isn’t leaning on them yet. He’s playing along too. |
You're right McConnell isn't leaning on them. That's interesting. I can't imagine a world where "moderate" Republicans break ranks. We'll see what happens. Even vulnerable Susan Collins has wussed out over and over again.
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| jodeke wrote: | What far right stooge? To name a few.
1) Nikki Haley
2) Mitt Romney
3) Ted Cruz
4) Mike Pompeo |
All of those are tried & true repubs -- they'd have to be willing to run on a third-party ticket. They'd also have to be willing to prioritize their own delusions of grandeur over party & president. None of those would do it. |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | What far right stooge? To name a few.
1) Nikki Haley
2) Mitt Romney
3) Ted Cruz
4) Mike Pompeo |
All of those are tried & true repubs -- they'd have to be willing to run on a third-party ticket. They'd also have to be willing to prioritize their own delusions of grandeur over party & president. None of those would do it. |
Yep, but I would also put Ted Nugent in that same category.
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The GOP is basically betting they can inflict severe financial pain and death on their own voters and not suffer for it at the ballot box.
But this is not some theoretical "deficit" or "socialist" boogeyman they can trick their voters with.
People actually know when they can't pay their rent and put food on the table. They know when grandma dies of COVID. And grandparents notice when they haven't been able to see their grandkids in person for 6 months and their Social Security check and prescriptions-by-mail are late because the US mail is screwed up.
Or maybe the GOP is confident because they believe their 10,000 ways of cheating in November will overcome their terrible poll numbers that seem to point to a massive loss the way it happened in 2018.
We'll see. But everyone needs to vote like their life depends on it -- because it does. |
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| LarryCoon wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | What far right stooge? To name a few.
1) Nikki Haley
2) Mitt Romney
3) Ted Cruz
4) Mike Pompeo |
All of those are tried & true repubs -- they'd have to be willing to run on a third-party ticket. They'd also have to be willing to prioritize their own delusions of grandeur over party & president. None of those would do it. |
Hoping for a Bernie. Cruz is my best Bernie. He doesn't like Trump and he'd siphon votes.
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