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Wow that was great to see. Go home and cry on Twitter little baby Trump. Cry Trump, cry!!! |
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There was an explicit FBI official warning yesterday that Russia will try to create confusion about the outcome of the election by calling it rigged, unfair etc. and will try to get voters to give up and not vote and/or not have confidence in the outcome. So Trump and Russia are on the same page again - trying to suppress the Democratic vote again, just in a different way. |
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If Trump is gonna cheat to try to win, we can make it as hard as hell for him to do so.
VOTE!
No matter what, cast your vote and let him try to figure out how to overcome the avalanche that's coming his way.
Jail, prison, permanent retirement?
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| Quote: | Chris Hayes @Chris Hayes
For the first 3 or so years of Trump's term there was certain mode of analysis fairly common among self-styled savvy centrists, #Resistance averse leftists, and tons of conservatives that basically held that everyone freaking out about Trump was being overwrought and hysterical.
The argument went, look, yes, he's a jerk and says crazy stuff, but the country is basically not that changed: unemployment is low, daily life continues as normal, there aren't tanks in the streets. You libs have lost your minds, obsessing over Russia and each new scandal, etc
Now, the counter argument was: look at the incompetence and cruelty on display in the aftermath of hurricane Maria, and the mass child abuse of child separation, and the vicious racism. Look at how far he is willing to go for power, whether in 2016, or in the Ukraine affair.
The argument always was: this man is so wildly unfit and so evil in disposition, that putting him in the most powerful position on earth *cannot help* but cause horrible ruin and danger for Americans and America.
Now look where we are: there are 205,000 dead Americans, and a thousand more every day. 7 million have been sickened, tens of million of work. His own task force staffer has come forward to say he does not care about those deaths and thinks his own supporters are "disgusting."
The president is directly threatening violence to stay in power and working every day to undermine both the legitimacy of the vote and the administration of free and fair elections. With either explicit or tacit collaboration from the entire institutional Republican party.
AND YET!!! You stil see this savvy, arm's length mode of analysis across the spectrum.
"Oh calm down libs, is it really so bad?"
MORE AMERICANS HAVE DIED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAN DURING ANY SIX MONTH PERIOD IN A HUNDRED YEARS.
YES IT'S THAT BAD. WAKE THE HELL UP. |
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1309166939139461124 |
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I don't see what he's seeing. People make a similar argument when good polls for Biden are released. "Let's not focus too much on polls because we will become complacent! Look at what happened in 2016!" I don't know anyone that's actually complacent. And in this case, I see no evidence that people aren't taking the threat of a potential Trump dictatorship seriously. The over $200 million raised in four days is a good indication that people are aware what's happening.
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NYT: Trump Faces Challenges Even in Red States, Poll Shows, as Women Favor Biden
| Quote: | | President Trump is on the defensive in three red states he carried in 2016, narrowly trailing Joseph R. Biden Jr. in Iowa and battling to stay ahead of him in Georgia and Texas, as Mr. Trump continues to face a wall of opposition from women that has also endangered his party’s control of the Senate, according to a poll conducted by The New York Times and Siena College. |
| Quote: | Mr. Trump’s vulnerability even in conservative-leaning states underscores just how precarious his political position is, less than six weeks before Election Day. While he and Mr. Biden are competing aggressively for traditional swing states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida, the poll suggests that Mr. Biden has assembled a coalition formidable enough to jeopardize Mr. Trump even in historically Republican parts of the South and Midwest.
A yawning gender gap in all three states is working in Mr. Biden’s favor, with the former vice president making inroads into conservative territory with strong support from women. In Iowa, where Mr. Biden is ahead of Mr. Trump, 45 percent to 42 percent, he is up among women by 14 percentage points. Men favor Mr. Trump by eight points.
In Georgia, where the two candidates are tied at 45 percent, Mr. Biden leads among women by 10 points. Mr. Trump is ahead with men by a similar margin of 11 percentage points.
Mr. Trump’s large advantage among men in Texas is enough to give him a small advantage there, 46 percent to 43 percent. Men prefer the president to his Democratic challenger by 16 points, while women favor Mr. Biden by an eight-point margin.
There was a significant gender gap in the 2016 election, too, but at that time it tilted toward Mr. Trump because men supported him so heavily, according to exit polls. In the Times poll, Mr. Biden sharply narrowed Mr. Trump’s advantage with men while improving on Hillary Clinton’s 2016 lead with women in Texas and Iowa. |
| Quote: | | The lopsided gender dynamics of the presidential contest extend to Senate races in Iowa, Georgia and Texas, with Republican incumbents facing strong challenges from Democratic candidates favored heavily by women. The gender gap is pronounced even in Iowa, where both Senate candidates are women. The Democratic challenger, Theresa Greenfield, has a two-point lead over Senator Joni Ernst and an 11-point advantage with women. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | NYT: Trump Faces Challenges Even in Red States, Poll Shows, as Women Favor Biden
| Quote: | | President Trump is on the defensive in three red states he carried in 2016, narrowly trailing Joseph R. Biden Jr. in Iowa and battling to stay ahead of him in Georgia and Texas, as Mr. Trump continues to face a wall of opposition from women that has also endangered his party’s control of the Senate, according to a poll conducted by The New York Times and Siena College. |
| Quote: | Mr. Trump’s vulnerability even in conservative-leaning states underscores just how precarious his political position is, less than six weeks before Election Day. While he and Mr. Biden are competing aggressively for traditional swing states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida, the poll suggests that Mr. Biden has assembled a coalition formidable enough to jeopardize Mr. Trump even in historically Republican parts of the South and Midwest.
A yawning gender gap in all three states is working in Mr. Biden’s favor, with the former vice president making inroads into conservative territory with strong support from women. In Iowa, where Mr. Biden is ahead of Mr. Trump, 45 percent to 42 percent, he is up among women by 14 percentage points. Men favor Mr. Trump by eight points.
In Georgia, where the two candidates are tied at 45 percent, Mr. Biden leads among women by 10 points. Mr. Trump is ahead with men by a similar margin of 11 percentage points.
Mr. Trump’s large advantage among men in Texas is enough to give him a small advantage there, 46 percent to 43 percent. Men prefer the president to his Democratic challenger by 16 points, while women favor Mr. Biden by an eight-point margin.
There was a significant gender gap in the 2016 election, too, but at that time it tilted toward Mr. Trump because men supported him so heavily, according to exit polls. In the Times poll, Mr. Biden sharply narrowed Mr. Trump’s advantage with men while improving on Hillary Clinton’s 2016 lead with women in Texas and Iowa. |
| Quote: | | The lopsided gender dynamics of the presidential contest extend to Senate races in Iowa, Georgia and Texas, with Republican incumbents facing strong challenges from Democratic candidates favored heavily by women. The gender gap is pronounced even in Iowa, where both Senate candidates are women. The Democratic challenger, Theresa Greenfield, has a two-point lead over Senator Joni Ernst and an 11-point advantage with women. |
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Trump's campaign is hemorrhaging cash while Biden's campaign is flush. Forcing Trump to play defense in Iowa, Georgia, and Texas is *chef's kiss*
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| Wilt wrote: | | I don't see what he's seeing. People make a similar argument when good polls for Biden are released. "Let's not focus too much on polls because we will become complacent! Look at what happened in 2016!" I don't know anyone that's actually complacent. And in this case, I see no evidence that people aren't taking the threat of a potential Trump dictatorship seriously. The over $200 million raised in four days is a good indication that people are aware what's happening. |
Here we agree completely. I know some have pointed to anecdotal evidence that some may be saying, "what's the point?". But I see no such attitude at all actually playing out. Quite the opposite. The more Trump ratchets up his rhetoric about "securing" the election, the more I see people digging in to make it harder for him to justify trying to steal the election.
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Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out.
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| kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
I disagree there.
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| Quote: | Leader McConnell
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The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792. |
To me that statement just cements the fact that the GOP has a specific plan in place that they know will hand them the election.
There is no way an established obstructionist like McConnell would say such a thing unless he were positive it will be his side who will "win" the election on November 3rd.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
I disagree there. |
Fair enough. How about there is zero evidence Democrat voters dying would stop Trump.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | I don't see what he's seeing. People make a similar argument when good polls for Biden are released. "Let's not focus too much on polls because we will become complacent! Look at what happened in 2016!" I don't know anyone that's actually complacent. And in this case, I see no evidence that people aren't taking the threat of a potential Trump dictatorship seriously. The over $200 million raised in four days is a good indication that people are aware what's happening. |
Here we agree completely. I know some have pointed to anecdotal evidence that some may be saying, "what's the point?". But I see no such attitude at all actually playing out. Quite the opposite. The more Trump ratchets up his rhetoric about "securing" the election, the more I see people digging in to make it harder for him to justify trying to steal the election. |
I think Hayes was commenting mostly about the media. For example, Trump's shocking comments yesterday and his refusal to agree on the peaceful transfer of power was no where to be found on the front pages of the NYT Times, Washington Post and other major newspapers. They buried the story inside the paper. That's pretty shocking.
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| Quote: | Matthew Gertz @MattGertz
The New York Times ran its story on Trump refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power on page A15, Washington Post on A4. Can't tell if or where they ran stories but it isn't on the Newseum's front pages for Wall Street Journal, LA Times, USA Today, or Chicago Tribune. |
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Exactly what I posted a few pages back yesterday (below). His comments will barely register for a full day.
| trmiv wrote: | | Guaranteed what Trump said “ get rid of the ballots and there will be—there won't be a transfer, there will be a continuation” will disappear like a fart in the wind by late tomorrow. The “president” of the United States just stood at a press conference and talked about ending democracy in this country, and it will barely be a news item for more than 24 hours if that. It probably doesn’t even get much play beyond a few outages on Twitter. |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Quote: | Leader McConnell
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The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th. There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792. |
To me that statement just cements the fact that the GOP has a specific plan in place that they know will hand them the election.
There is no way an established obstructionist like McConnell would say such a thing unless he were positive it will be his side who will "win" the election on November 3rd. |
Trump can only "win on November 3rd" if they stop counting ballots at midnight on November 3rd. So it was a trick answer. |
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| kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
Man, Anthony Huber was gunned down less than a month ago in Kenosha. Protesters get hit by cars just about every night somewhere in this country after Heather Heater was murdered by a white nationalist in a Mustang in 2017. Cops have blinded reporters by shooting them in the face with 'non-lethal' rounds. All this while Trump openly muses about violence against protestors, you have GOP Governors like DeSantis trying to change vehicular manslaughter laws to legalize running over protestors, and conservative media has lionized Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero.
If you're at a protest in this country you're risking your life.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
Man, Anthony Huber was gunned down less than a month ago in Kenosha. Protesters get hit by cars just about every night somewhere in this country after Heather Heater was murdered by a white nationalist in a Mustang in 2017. Cops have blinded reporters by shooting them in the face with 'non-lethal' rounds. All this while Trump openly muses about violence against protestors, you have GOP Governors like DeSantis trying to change vehicular manslaughter laws to legalize running over protestors, and conservative media has lionized Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero.
If you're at a protest in this country you're risking your life. |
That's true. I have a ton of respect for protestors.
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| kikanga wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
I disagree there. |
Fair enough. How about there is zero evidence Democrat voters dying would stop Trump. |
Yeah, that's definitely the case.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
Man, Anthony Huber was gunned down less than a month ago in Kenosha. Protesters get hit by cars just about every night somewhere in this country after Heather Heater was murdered by a white nationalist in a Mustang in 2017. Cops have blinded reporters by shooting them in the face with 'non-lethal' rounds. All this while Trump openly muses about violence against protestors, you have GOP Governors like DeSantis trying to change vehicular manslaughter laws to legalize running over protestors, and conservative media has lionized Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero.
If you're at a protest in this country you're risking your life. |
My wife and I are currently in a dilemma. Our 16 year old son wants to attend an upcoming protest. On one hand we want to support his desire to engage in activism. On the other hand, we know there could be risks if something were to go south, though we realize that the odds of being in wrong place if that happens can be reduced by how you chose to participate.
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Man, the writer of that Atlantic article really should've included quotes from someone who understands the law in each of those swing states. I have no doubt the PA GOP is concocting crazy plots to steal the election, but it would be helpful if the author outlined how dumb and infeasible it is since it would first require amending state law which would be vetoed by Dem Gov Wolf and then shot down by the PA Supreme Court if it came down to it.
I repeat: flopsweat from panicked coward losers.
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FBI Director Wray directly contradicts Trump in today's congressional hearing.
| Quote: | Ayman Mohyeldin @AymanM
I’ll just put this here for now. Feel free to bookmark and show skeptics later:
“We have not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it is by mail or otherwise”
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, the writer of that Atlantic article really should've included quotes from someone who understands the law in each of those swing states. I have no doubt the PA GOP is concocting crazy plots to steal the election, but it would be helpful if the author outlined how dumb and infeasible it is since it would first require amending state law which would be vetoed by Dem Gov Wolf and then shot down by the PA Supreme Court if it came down to it.
I repeat: flopsweat from panicked coward losers. |
You have failed to consider the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision being appealed. Who would have the final say? And who is trying to ram an extra justice onto that body right now?
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Separated children putin cages where some are sexually abused, physically abused, or killed. The "lucky" children sent to countries they aren't even from to die.
Thousands of Americans in Puerto Rico dying unnecessarily after Hurricane Maria because Trump didn't want to financially support brown people.
Over 100,000 lives sacrificed because he wanted to downplay COVID and wouldn't let the USPS send out masks.
There is evidence Trump is willing to kill if it helps him stay in office. And zero evidence Democrat voters are willing to die to get him out. |
Man, Anthony Huber was gunned down less than a month ago in Kenosha. Protesters get hit by cars just about every night somewhere in this country after Heather Heater was murdered by a white nationalist in a Mustang in 2017. Cops have blinded reporters by shooting them in the face with 'non-lethal' rounds. All this while Trump openly muses about violence against protestors, you have GOP Governors like DeSantis trying to change vehicular manslaughter laws to legalize running over protestors, and conservative media has lionized Kyle Rittenhouse as a hero.
If you're at a protest in this country you're risking your life. |
My wife and I are currently in a dilemma. Our 16 year old son wants to attend an upcoming protest. On one hand we want to support his desire to engage in activism. On the other hand, we know there could be risks if something were to go south, though we realize that the odds of being in wrong place if that happens can be reduced by how you chose to participate. |
The majority of protests are peaceful, but what doesn't bleed doesn't lead for the media. Not a parent myself, but having participated in a few protests over the years, I'd say take a buddy or two, follow a strict curfew, avoid the front lines, and to hightail it if things start escalating with police or armed militia nuts show up. And bring water and snacks.
I'm sure there are websites out there with more detailed info.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Man, the writer of that Atlantic article really should've included quotes from someone who understands the law in each of those swing states. I have no doubt the PA GOP is concocting crazy plots to steal the election, but it would be helpful if the author outlined how dumb and infeasible it is since it would first require amending state law which would be vetoed by Dem Gov Wolf and then shot down by the PA Supreme Court if it came down to it.
I repeat: flopsweat from panicked coward losers. |
You have failed to consider the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision being appealed. Who would have the final say? And who is trying to ram an extra justice onto that body right now? |
It's state law. Who would they appeal to? They tried something similar with redistricting before the 2018 election and failed at the PA Supreme Court.
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Quinnipiac has Biden -5 in Texas and +1 in Ohio.
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