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Baron Von Humongous
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:56 am Post subject:

Someone asked yesterday about when early votes are counted, and this is the best aggregate info I've found:

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Bill Scher
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Battleground early vote counting procedures:

AK: 8 PM E-Day
AZ: 14 days prior
CO: 15 days prior
FL: 22 days prior*
GA: 7 AM E-Day
IA: 1 day prior
KS: unspecific prior
ME: 7 days prior
MI: 7 AM E-Day*
MN: 8 PM E-Day
MT: 1 day prior if using machine
NE: 1 day prior
NC: 14 days prior
NV: 14 days prior
NH: when polls close
OH: unspecific prior
PA: 7 AM E-Day
SC: 9 AM E-Day
TX: When polls open but 10/31 in large jurisdictions
WI: When polls open

Thread: https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1309171341325742081

More info and source links can be found in the tweet thread.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:59 am Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Omar Little wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Man, the writer of that Atlantic article really should've included quotes from someone who understands the law in each of those swing states. I have no doubt the PA GOP is concocting crazy plots to steal the election, but it would be helpful if the author outlined how dumb and infeasible it is since it would first require amending state law which would be vetoed by Dem Gov Wolf and then shot down by the PA Supreme Court if it came down to it.

I repeat: flopsweat from panicked coward losers.

You have failed to consider the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision being appealed. Who would have the final say? And who is trying to ram an extra justice onto that body right now?

It's state law. Who would they appeal to? They tried something similar with redistricting before the 2018 election and failed at the PA Supreme Court.

That written WI could be a danger zone for that kind of skullduggery.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:15 am Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:

Trump Loudly Booed and Greeted With ‘Vote Him Out’ Chants on Visit to Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s Casket

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President Donald Trump was loudly jeered and subjected to chants of “Honor her wish!” and “Vote him out!” during his Thursday morning visit to pay respects to Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s casket at the Supreme Court. The crowd was clearly incensed by Trump’s determination to overlook the late justice’s dying wish to not be replaced before Election Day. The president stood silently beside the casket with first lady Melania Trump as the crowd voiced their disapproval. Unusually, he was wearing a face mask—a safety measure he’s repeatedly ridiculed throughout the pandemic.

Video at above link.

More video where he can't take it anymore and just leaves

Good! Trump lives in a bubble. His administration is filled with fawning sycophants, he gets "interviewed" basically on Fox News with softball questions, he goes to his rallies with screaming fans. He doesn't often see what the majority of people think of him. That's why he doesn't want to believe the polls showing Biden leading him. When he got booed at the baseball game, when the UN audience laughed at him, he always seems a little surprised. Secretly he dreads that he will lose big time and he needs the cheers to convince him otherwise.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Someone asked yesterday about when early votes are counted, and this is the best aggregate info I've found:

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Thread: https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1309171341325742081

More info and source links can be found in the tweet thread.

Thank you! So early votes will be counted either before or on election day it looks like.

I wish every governor or state attorney general would hold a press conference and make it clear what the rules are in their state for early votes, absentee votes, day of votes, etc. Say, for example, our state allows mail in votes postmarked by Nov 3 to be counted. Since in might take up to a week for those ballots to arrive at counting site, we will not be able to give a full accounting until Nov 10. This is normal, happens every year, it is business as usual, not a scam or anything underhanded. And this year the percent of mail in votes is expected to be higher due to covid and so please do not expect a final tally until Nov 10. Put it into PSAs and play them on tv, radio, mail out a notice if needed to make sure everyone understands. Biden and Harris and other national Dems can reinforce this also, listen to your state, each state has their own rules and they will follow them. Trump's message is wrong and he has no say in what states do!
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:23 pm Post subject:

SweetP wrote:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:

Someone asked yesterday about when early votes are counted, and this is the best aggregate info I've found:

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Thread: https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1309171341325742081

More info and source links can be found in the tweet thread.

Speaking of governors
www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/09/23/texas-gov-greg-abbott-sued-by-his-own-republican-party-over-expanding-early-voting/amp/

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:38 pm Post subject:

This is a little addictive: https://cookpolitical.com/swingometer

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:06 pm Post subject:

Texas is the place where the Americans moved in, conned the inhabitants into leaving Mexico & joining the US, and then, many of those who were conned were killed and/or swindled out of their lands. Also, the Southwest US was where many Mexicans/Mexican-Americans were hanged/lynched in similar rates to Blacks in the South. Native Americans/Indians were also severely abused and/or killed by those claiming to be more civilized. Yeah, I didn't learn any of that in my 11th grade AP American History class. _________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:10 pm Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:

This is a little addictive:

https://cookpolitical.com/swingometer

Wow, that really illustrates what a difference turnout makes. And why Repubs do anything possible to suppress black voters in particular.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:36 pm Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:

This is a little addictive:

https://cookpolitical.com/swingometer

It is! Thanks for the link.

It's using "turnout of voting age citizens". So it's a little deceiving. But it shows you the effects of the prison industrial complex. If 74% of AAs could vote. Dems win Texas. I'm sure there's a similar story for Hispanic/Latino.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:52 pm Post subject:

Man, Ohio is looking better than expected for Biden and he's barely spent any money there. _________________ Under New Management

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:56 pm Post subject:

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John Harwood @JohnJHarwood

new Fox News poll of Ohio:

Biden 50%
Trump 45%

I'm skeptical of this because I think Ohio leans Republican -- but at the very least it means the race is close and Biden has a chance.

More Fox News Polling:

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Ashley Moir @ashleymoirDC

FOX NEWS POLLS

NV: Biden 52%, Trump 41%
OH: Biden 50%, Trump 45%
PA: Biden 51%, Trump 44%

All among likely voters

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:34 pm Post subject:

Wow. 538 now has Biden ahead in Ohio. Still very close. 49.6% to 49.4%. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:40 pm Post subject:

Hope Bernie supporters listen to him and show out. https://tinyurl.com/yyklje5o _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:30 pm Post subject:

CNBC: Voter registration surges after Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death, groups say

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:57 pm Post subject:

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Demographic Change Since 2016 Alone Could Be Enough to Defeat Trump

David Wasserman
September 23, 2020

Four years ago, Donald Trump won the White House while losing the popular vote by 2.9 million to Hillary Clinton, thanks to a near-perfect geographic vote distribution that allowed him to win big Electoral College prizes by razor-thin margins. The key? Trump's unprecedented 37-point margin among white voters without four-year college degrees, who are especially influential in the Upper Midwest.

But as America becomes more diverse and college-educated, Trump's core demographic is steadily declining. In 2020, non-college whites are on track to make up about 43 percent of the nation's adult citizens, down from 46 percent in 2016.

Meanwhile, whites with four-year degrees — who are trending blue and increasingly behave like a different ethnic group from non-college whites — will make up 25 percent of adult citizens, up from 24 percent in 2016. And Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and other non-whites — historically Democrats' most reliable supporters — will make up 32 percent, up from 30 percent four years ago.

A new interactive collaboration by NBC News and the Cook Political Report finds that if 2016's turnout and support rates were applied to 2020's new demographic realities, Trump would narrowly lose Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — more than enough to swing the presidency to Joe Biden. And, Trump would lose the popular vote by about four points, roughly double his 2016 deficit.

...more at...
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:08 pm Post subject:

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Republican Senator Proposes Bill That Would Make It Illegal to Count Votes
Sen. Rick Scott thinks we should have less than 48 hours to count ballots.

By Jeremy Stahl
Sept 24, 2020
6:05 PM

Last week, President Donald Trump said he was “counting on the federal court system to make it so” that whatever preliminary tally is complete on Election Day will be validated as the final vote count, meaning states would not have the opportunity to count the anticipated record-high numbers of mail-in ballots. This would functionally end American democracy. And it appears that other Republicans are going all in on the idea that we should just not count actual votes.

On Thursday, Florida Sen. Rick Scott proposed a bill that would change election laws with less than six weeks to go until November’s election, causing complete mayhem and ensuring that untold numbers of otherwise valid votes would not be counted. Scott’s proposal is simple and entirely unworkable. His Help America Vote Act of 2020 would require that mail-in ballots be counted within 24 hours of when voting closes on Election Day. Scott’s proposed legislation would also prevent mail-in ballots received prior to Election Day from being processed and counted until the morning of Nov. 3, contradicting state election statutes across the country including one that he signed when he was governor of Florida. Basically, the bill would move back the date by which votes can start to be counted and move up the date by which the count must end. This would limit the count to a single less-than-48-hour window, shortening the count in some cases by weeks. In Scott’s own home state of Florida, as one example, votes can start to be counted up to 22 days before Election Day. In Colorado, which does all mail-in voting, they can be processed as soon as they are received and counted 15 days before Election Day. Under Scott’s law, those votes would all have to begin to be counted on Election Day itself. Any votes that did not get counted simply would not count.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:20 pm Post subject:

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US 2020 election:

By Reality Check team BBC News

23 September 2020

Claim: President Trump says he built the greatest ever US economy prior to the coronavirus outbreak.

He claims to have generated historic economic growth, record low unemployment, and lifted millions of Americans out of poverty - and he says he will do it all again if re-elected.

Reality Check verdict: It's true the economy was doing well prior to the pandemic - continuing a trend which began during the Obama administration - but there have been periods when it was much stronger.

The US economy has now been hit by the biggest economic contraction ever recorded and the highest unemployment rate in more than 80 years.

During his first three years in office, President Trump oversaw an annual average growth of 2.5%.

The last three years of the Obama administration saw a similar level of growth (2.3%) along with a significantly higher figure (5.5%) in mid-2014.

But the coronavirus outbreak earlier this year has triggered the sharpest contraction since records began.

In the second quarter of 2020 - accounting for April, May and June - the economy contracted by over 30%. That's more than three times greater than the 10% fall in 1958.

If we look at growth rates as far back as comparable records allow, it's clear there have been frequent periods when the growth of GDP - the value of goods and services in the economy - has been significantly higher than under President Trump.

In the early 1950s, for example, annualised GDP growth rate periodically exceeded 10%.

President Trump often highlights the rising value of US financial markets as a measure of success - in particular the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

The Dow is a measure of the performance of 30 large companies listed on US stock exchanges, and it reached record highs at the start of this year.

It then crashed as markets reacted to the coronavirus pandemic, wiping out all the gains made since President Trump took office.

But the financial markets have been remarkably resilient and they've now largely recovered back to near pre-pandemic levels.

Prior to the pandemic, President Trump claims to have delivered the lowest unemployment rate in half a century.

This is true. In February this year, the rate stood at 3.5%, the lowest for more than 50 years.

However, the Obama administration added more jobs to the economy, comparing similar time-frames.

Under Trump, in the three years prior to the pandemic, there were an additional 6.4 million jobs. In the last three years under Obama, seven million jobs were added.

As in many parts of the world, coronavirus lockdown measures very quickly led to soaring levels of unemployment in the US.

The rate jumped to 14.7% in April, the highest level since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

The US Labor Department says more than 20 million people lost their jobs, eliminating a decade of employment gains in a single month.

Since the peak in April, unemployment has fallen back significantly to 8.4% in August.

Real wages (adjusted for inflation) grew throughout Trump's first three years in office - continuing a steady upward trend which began during the first of President Obama's two terms.

This growth reached 2.1% per annum in February 2019, prior to the pandemic.

This is lower than the real wage increases of up to 2.4% that President Obama oversaw in 2015

The rapid increase in average earnings then seen at the start of the coronavirus lockdown were largely as a consequence of the lowest-earning Americans losing their jobs at a disproportionate rate, following the economic downturn.

With lower wage-earners out of jobs, the average hourly wage data skewed sharply upwards.

Average wages have since started to fall back, as economic restrictions have eased.

President Trump claimed in 2019 that he had delivered "the largest poverty reduction under any president in history".

In 2019, around 4.2 million fewer people were living in poverty in the US compared with the previous year, according to official data.

This is a significant drop, but not the largest reduction in history.

The US Census Bureau has published this poverty data since the end of the 1950s. The largest fall in a single year was in 1966 during the administration of President Lyndon B Johnson, when almost 4.7 million people were lifted out of poverty.

The financial crisis of 2007/8 and subsequent economic downturn saw sharp rises in poverty, which only began to decline from around 2015 during the Obama administration, with a growing economy and rising levels of employment.

The continued strength of the economy under President Trump (at least until the pandemic hit) has been matched by a continuing fall in the poverty rate.

This overall national figure masks wide variations across regions and ethnic groups in America. In 2019, while 10.5% of the population was defined as living in poverty, the figure for black Americans was 18.8 and for white (non-Hispanic) Americans it was 7.3%.

Figures for 2020 are not yet available, but are expected to show a sharp rise in poverty as a result of the pandemic.

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:29 pm Post subject:

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CNBC: Voter registration surges after Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death, groups say

RIP RBG. Miss ya, thanks for everything. The spirit of what you stood for lives on.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:49 am Post subject:

kikanga wrote:

Hope Bernie supporters listen to him and show out.
https://tinyurl.com/yyklje5o

Anyone who still identifies as a Bernie supporter is a lost cause.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:27 am Post subject:

They are who we thought they were:

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Peter Alexander @PeterAlexander

Mitch McConnell will not be in attendance at the ceremony at the Capitol honoring RBG this morning. Nor will Kevin McCarthy.

Normally, a ceremony of this magnitude is a bipartisan affair where the so-called Big Four (w Pelosi & Schumer) present a united front.

Misogynistic scumbags.

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 am Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:

They are who we thought they were:

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Misogynistic scumbags.

Disrespectful a-holes. 🤬
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:00 am Post subject:

jodeke wrote:

ChefLinda wrote:

They are who we thought they were:

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Misogynistic scumbags.

Disrespectful a-holes. 🤬

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:02 am Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:

They are who we thought they were:

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Misogynistic scumbags.

And cowards. They know they would get booed like Trump and they are afraid of looking foolish.

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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:32 am Post subject:

Effete a$$hole$! _________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell

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Mary Trump says her uncle will go 'farther than you can possibly imagine' to hold onto power if he loses the election as he's afraid of prosecution

https://www.businessinsider.com/mary-trump-take-trumps-election-result-refusal-threat-seriously-2020-9
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