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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject:

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How in the hell is information like that public? Unless it's a smokescreen for what's really happening, it seems like a really bad idea to put that out there.



Our electoral system is the bedrock of our democracy. You cannot let the Russian get away with it, not with a slap on the wrist.

Drastic measures should be considered, and even implemented.

In other words, you answered your own question.


If the US is planning/implementing a cyberweapon program to protect the state, seems that should be classified, no? The public doesn't need to know that. We didn't spill the beans in the 80's, and that led to successful operations like this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html



Not at all. It's akin to the poorly kept secret weapon that the Russians have, the so-called Doomsday Machine in the Urals, or the rumored "Death Tape" or "Black Tape" of the US. You make it a poorly kept secret so that the other side knows you mean business.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject:

This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject:

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This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


Like I said elsewhere "Terrorists" is what the Republicans have become
Do they support the people or the dollar aka God
A sanitized version of the Taliban
Their rules their compassion
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject:

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DuncanIdaho wrote:
This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


Like I said elsewhere "Terrorists" is what the Republicans have become
Do they support the people or the dollar aka God
A sanitized version of the Taliban
Their rules their compassion



I will bet AH can't even disagree with this.
The Republicans don't care about the people or themselves
They are willing to sell their soul and the citizens of this country for DONATIONS from wealthy scumbags that keep them in power

What they are doing to Obamacare is akin to hate crimes against the poor
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


So they are going to attack him and help the democrats unseat him? Cool.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


So they are going to attack him and help the democrats unseat him? Cool.


The ole' Eric Cantor special
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject:

Heller's approval ratings were abysmal before this. Some 200,000 people in Nevada are on Medicaid, and it would have killed him had he voted for this.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:18 am    Post subject:

DuncanIdaho wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


So they are going to attack him and help the democrats unseat him? Cool.


The ole' Eric Cantor special


That was a primary in a solid red district.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:39 am    Post subject:

All I can say after now reading most of what has been posted from the time of my last post in this topic that one would certainly conclude based on the overwhelming sentiments expressed on just one side that it would have been inevitable that Hillary Clinton would undoubtedly had to have won by 50 points!!! (sound familiar?).... as apposed to the actual outcome where Trump won by a total of 74 points in the electoral college.... Especially considering from the time Hillary asked this very question "why aren’t I 50 points ahead, you might ask..." according to the article - Chart: Here's Where Trump, Clinton and Johnson Stand on TV and Radio Ad Spending Right Now, the Clinton campaign and its allied super PACs had booked $145.3 million in ad time between the time of that comment by Hillary and Election Day, to $4.4 million for Trump and his groups, which as we can readily see is a ratio of 33 to 1 in favor of the Clinton campaign. One would think regardless of message, Hillary would have been a shoe-in simply based on campaign money spent alone, right?
As to the time when that comment by Hillary was made the article wrote:
To put all this another way, of the $149,912,723 millon in booked TV and radio spending through election day for these three presidential candidates, $145,299,727 is being spent by the Clinton campaign combined with pro-Clinton PACs.
(and of course for those who echo the sentiments regarding the popular vote in contrast to the long established electoral college since our countries beginnings for reasons readily established by our founding fathers, here is the inconvenient truth whether one likes to hear it or not; as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election". So while we as yet do not have any stats on this for the 2016 election, one would certainly conclude based on the known significantly greater influx of non-citizens entering the country since that time there would be far more than that who would have likely illegally voted 8 years later in the most recent 2016 election and by taking into consideration how we all know on what side of the isle a very large percentage of these illegal votes would cast their respective ballots, this very large number of illegal voters would easily cancel by literally millions the less than 3 million popular vote edge in favor of Hillary.)

... when all is said and done, you have to ask considering the huge discrepancy in campaign money spent between Clinton versus Trump - How in the world did she loose? It sure wasn't because of lack of money spent so could it perhaps be because of their respective messages, nah couldn't be that... could it?

On thing is for certain and that is a reasonable argument can be made and conclusion reached that perhaps the sentiments expressed in this topic may in fact not at all be representative of the greater populace of this country in general. Otherwise we would apparently have a conundrum on our hands as to how and why the election results that ultimately expresses the will of the people in general clearly stands in such stark contrast to what is overwhelmingly expressed throughout this topic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:06 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


So they are going to attack him and help the democrats unseat him? Cool.


The ole' Eric Cantor special


That was a primary in a solid red district.


Wouldn't surprise me to see them try to primary the guy.

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"You do not want to mess with Donald Trump’s base in a primary, particularly in a place like Nevada,” said one America First official. “This kind of money in Nevada is real. … This is a beginning.”


The district isn't as blood red, but still.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:22 am    Post subject:

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as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election". So while we as yet do not have any stats on this for the 2016 election, one would certainly conclude based on the known significantly greater influx of non-citizens entering the country since that time there would be far more than that who would have likely illegally voted 8 years later in the most recent 2016 election


Before addressing the rest of your nonsense, I need you to provide a credible link. At least one of the hundreds at your disposal.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:21 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
This didn't take long:

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Pro-Trump group to target GOP Sen. Heller over health care bill

America First Policies, a group started by some of President Donald Trump’s campaign advisers, is set to launch an advertising blitz against Nevada's Republican Sen. Dean Heller, who on Friday came out against the Senate's Obamacare repeal bill without significant changes.

Heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as one of the most vulnerable Senate Republicans in that cycle.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/pro-trump-group-to-target-gop-sen-heller-over-health-care-bill-239911


So they are going to attack him and help the democrats unseat him? Cool.


Cool, except that its intent is to be a warning to any other repubs who might vote against the bill.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:24 am    Post subject:

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LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election". So while we as yet do not have any stats on this for the 2016 election, one would certainly conclude based on the known significantly greater influx of non-citizens entering the country since that time there would be far more than that who would have likely illegally voted 8 years later in the most recent 2016 election


Before addressing the rest of your nonsense, I need you to provide a credible link. At least one of the hundreds at your disposal.


He didn't say any of those 100's of reports were credible.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:12 am    Post subject:

You'd think that, instead of running up the score in California, some of those non-citizen voters would be strategically placed in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject:

I hadn't seen this one yet til a moment ago

Instead of the Healthcare bill it is.. tada

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election". So while we as yet do not have any stats on this for the 2016 election, one would certainly conclude based on the known significantly greater influx of non-citizens entering the country since that time there would be far more than that who would have likely illegally voted 8 years later in the most recent 2016 election


Before addressing the rest of your nonsense, I need you to provide a credible link. At least one of the hundreds at your disposal.


He didn't say any of those 100's of reports were credible.
You are absolutely correct, I did not say one way or the other.... what I did say is:
LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
....whether one likes to hear it or not; as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election".
what one chooses to believe is reflected for the most part by which direction each individuals personal biases might slant obviously. And as I've already noted, we can see clearly where the individual biases slant as far as the great majority of those who post here in this topic...

As to producing a link, keep in mind that browser search engines are your friend. All one has to do is to take what I've quoted and enter that text into a browser search engine to observe a list of the 100's of links on this topic that as we all know will reflect biases in either direction as to opinions on the veracity of the link depending upon conservative versus liberal inclinations that exist in all of use. To clarify, you will obviously find conservative leaning links that will attempt to support the Harvard study that reached this conclusion as opposed to certainly an equal number of liberal leaning links that attempt to debunk the Harvard study. This is to be expected of course.

I have no answer as to the veracity of the study either way, I'm only posting the information of which each will decide for themselves either way obviously in the case of this topic we know on which side virtually all who post here will be. As to my personal opinion, while I do not know for sure either way as I said, I tend to find it reasonable to conclude that it is very possible that the study is to some degree somewhat accurate. I know this is contrary to the widespread opinions expressed by posters in this topic and recognize how it's so much easier to take the "safe" path to avoid inevitable reproach expressed by those who disagree based on the popular opinions of the day. And why you might ask is the reason I would conclude this obviously contradictory conclusion that would seemingly be in opposition to virtually all those who take the time to post in this topic?

Well, let's go over the facts that we know them.... we know that virtually 128 million people voted in the 2016 election. We also know that depending on the study as many as 2-4 million non-citizens are illegally registered to vote in the US and as we know an actual poll taken of non-citizens resulted in a total of 13% admitting that they were actually illegally registered to vote. Of course you might ask then if this is the number who actually admit to illegally registering to vote, how many are actually illegally registered to vote who are not willing to admit it. Again all of this can be searched on the web so if one wants to take the time this can all be easily verified. Oh and I would add, for anyone who wants to bother to look into this the "nearly 2 million" number that was concluded in a survey that are admittedly illegally registered to vote was based on the fact that 13% of respondents admitted this in the poll taken and that 2 million number is based on an assumption that there are approximately 11 million non-citizens in the country today. Most analysis will conclude that the number is currently far greater than 11 million based on widespread agreement that a more accurate number is minimally 16-20 million as of 2017, but we can really never know of course (of which I'll cover in more detail below) so we can agree to disagree as far as those who are unwilling to consider alternative conclusions set in stone that might challenge preconceived held opinions on the subject. That said, for those who are able to entertain the possibility of alternately held views that might actually challenge personal bias the number of non-citizens could very possibly be 2.1-2.6 million who actually admit to being illegally registered to vote in the poll taken and of course we can only surmise how many there are that are not willing to admit this fact. It's all speculative of course but it is not unreasonable to suggest that clearly this number could easily be minimally double what is admitted in the poll and perhaps much greater than that. So we can only speculate of course, but the actual admitted number of around 2-2.5 million could reasonably be potentially 4-5 million (which I venture to guess is not out of the question considering their are likely currently 16-20 million non-citizens and in the knowledge that we already know without any doubt that minimally 2 million come right out and admit it in a poll taken on the topic). I don't know about you but I know if I were a non-citizen myself I certainly would not have admitted this on a polling question asked if I were illegally registered to vote. And I would add one last point and that is what I have just said here regarding the percentage who will actually admit this in a poll is totally relevant to the Harvard study and how they extrapolate data to get their results that I'll touch upon below.

We also know based on sound undeniable research results that 80% of non-citizens that admitted they voted illegally reported that they voted Democratic (and of course we all know why that is the case so we don't need to go into that for obvious reasons). We also know as of 2010 there are nearly 11 million documented non-citizens in the USA link: https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2010.pdf. Now the question is how many additional non-citizens have entered the USA in the past 7+ years? Fact is we simply do not know, I venture a reasonably fair minded guess at the low end would be perhaps an additional 5-6 million (again in my opinion a conservative number which is most likely considerably higher during the Obama administration). But let's go with just the 5 million which would calculate out to a fair total of perhaps currently 16 million (we can agree to disagree on this either way but I think it could actually most likely be higher). Now we need to ask ourselves in this divisive political climate we find ourselves in how many of those might be illegally voting?, the Harvard study aside (which as we know a consensus cannot be reached on either side as to the accuracy of the results). Now keeping in mind I'm going with low-end numbers of likely non-citizens currently in the USA, would 5.7 million (approximately a third of non-citizens currently residing in the country) vote illegally? My opinion is an emphatic "no", so I would presumably be in agreement with the overwhelmingly one-sided opinions expressed in this political topic. Now on the other hand is it possible that 3 million non-citizens actually vote illegally, which is a total that is more than the difference in the popular vote difference between the two leading candidates in the 2016 election, I would suggest perhaps it is not totally out of the realm of possibility to suggest possibly around 18-19% of non-citizens may have voted illegally (that is considering that we already know that 13% actually admit to be illegally registered to vote). I personally feel that the number is still likely somewhat less than this, perhaps something in the area of 10-15% of non-citizens perhaps may have possibly voted illegally which doesn't really help to reach any definitive conclusions either way whether the popular vote would have been impacted enough by the voting results of non-citizens to make a difference in the overall popular vote outcome. The number of non-citizens who voted could very well be reasonably higher perhaps but we simply do not know which in my opinion for any fair minded person we simply cannot be sure either way, but I think it is also fair minded to suggest that it's not unreasonable to say the there could be enough of an impact by non-citizens voting where the outcome either way is questionable as far as the popular vote is concerned. And I would add to the equation that not all non-citizens will cast their vote as Democrat but rather 80% has been documented to do so shades the impact to the popular vote in a way to suggest it would not have made enough difference in the end.

So my personal conclusion is that absent the voting by non-citizens to the extend this occurred, Clinton would still most likely eke out a popular vote advantage by the slimmest of margins but it's still clearly not an unreasonable conclusion to say that the popular vote results could have been potentially flipped just enough via the vote of non-citizens as well. But that said, as we know this is not how a Democratic Republic decides elections but rather it is based on the electoral college, period - end of story. So while the popular vote is an interesting discussion to be had, the facts are that it is virtually irrelevant to the long-standing way that Presidential election results are determined throughout our countries history and from that perspective virtually meaningless beyond simple bragging rights.

Getting back to links that can be searched on via your favorite browser. As pointed out, we can all find links that will support our own personal biases either way and to actually find a site that brings the unfettered facts is very rare indeed to the extent that it may be factually impossible to be entirely neutral for any site out there on the web. On that note, I would suggest to anyone who really wants to try and look at ideas, concepts and opinions discussed in today's hypersensitive political climate they might consider looking at the http://www.justfactsdaily.com/ website which comes as close to unbiased reporting as it gets in my opinion. And on this very topic on this site entitle Substantial Numbers of Non-Citizens Vote Illegally in U.S. Elections you will find the conclusion to be the following (which I feel is as fair minded as you can get as well):
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Contrary to the claims of certain major media outlets and fact checkers, a comprehensive analysis of this issue shows that substantial numbers of non-citizens vote illegally in U.S. elections. However, contrary to Trump, the data does not prove that he would have won the popular vote if this fraud did not take place. Instead, it only shows that this is a reasonable possibility.
But then instead of looking for the middle-of-the-road factual results to help guide our opinions on various topics it's ever so much more fun to find the opinions of those who agree with our own innate biases, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject:

Some of the articles on justfactsdaily....

"PolitiFact’s Deceptive Report on Illegal Voting by Non-Citizens"

"Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest?"

"A Factual Look at Obama’s Presidency"

"Poll Suggests Clinton’s Sex Not Responsible for Her Loss"

"Clinton and Obama’s Brazen Lie About the Iraq Withdrawal"

"Smearing the South With False Charges of Racism"

"Deadly Falsehoods About the Orlando Shooting and Gun Control"

It's a right-wing website.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject:

LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:


That crazy wall of text looked like a lot of hyperventilating..

I really hope you find something better to do with your time

Also.. if you are anywhere near the boat that has Trump supporters in it.. it is sinking fast..

Enjoy your traitorous elitist

I still cannot believe the story about him and his son stealing money from childrens charities they run...

Does that feel good to you.. to support that type of person? Type of family?
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What in tarnation?
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Reports claim 3 million "illegal aliens" cast votes in this year's election.

The articles point back to tweets from Gregg Phillips, who has worked for the Republican Party and has a voter fraud reporting app. But Phillips will not provide any evidence to support his claim, which happens to be undermined by publicly available information.

If Phillips does release a more detailed report, we will consider that information. But for now, this claim is inaccurate. We rate it False.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject:

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Some of the articles on justfactsdaily....
Now tell the truth, you grabbed a bunch of headlines and did not read the content to reach your conclusions, right?

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"PolitiFact’s Deceptive Report on Illegal Voting by Non-Citizens"
Unless you are able to provide documentation that refutes all documentation that is provided in the article we would have to assume your disagreement with the article is unfounded. So until you have evidence of any kind to refute assertions that in fact are well documented in all cases there is no valid reason to question what is stated in the article. Please do provide where anything stated is inaccurate and/or misleading.

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"Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest?"
You probably concluded this was a report on how biased the media is when in reality it was an article in response to criticisms of "bias" made upon themselves by other sources. And if you bothered to read it all statements and/or conclusions are supported by documentation as is the case with all articles posted on this website that you might have noticed by bothering to actually read the content.

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"A Factual Look at Obama’s Presidency"
No question the results of the charts and stats would reflect what one might hear from the "right". This by no means suggests that in this case for example that the "right" is wrong in their respective conclusions. I presume your opinion is that the "right" is always incorrect and the "left" is always totally correct. Hopefully I'm wrong, but as we know this is more the case than not and with that all we hear from either side are platitudes that support their respective positions. With that in mind, please provide statistical analysis that contradicts the myriad of statistical provided in the article. Until you can do this if this is what is perceived to be what we would hear as far s the "talking points" of the "right" all we can do is conclude that in this case the conclusions of "right" in this case may in fact be correct. I'll be waiting for you contrary statistical evidence.

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"Poll Suggests Clinton’s Sex Not Responsible for Her Loss"
So then I presume your conclusion is that "sex" did have an impact on the election. Do you believe that race had an impact in the previous two elections? I think not based on the results, right? So if your position is that you disagree with the stats provided to support the article then please provide contrary stats that would refute that in poll after poll we find that over 2/3 of those polled say that "gender" does not matter. For that matter, what about the possible tendency for the same gender to vote for their own gender which would in fact favor the female gender in the knowledge that there are more women voters in the country than men by a margin of around 52% to 48% I believe or did you not know this? Again, until you provide evidence to the contrary, the article stands on it's own merits.

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"Clinton and Obama’s Brazen Lie About the Iraq Withdrawal"
Oh my, of course these positions are the "talking points" of the "right", but the fact is they are totally factual. Please tell me where anything mentioned (and I didn't even bother to read the article because this has all been covered ad nauseam over the years and has by all accounts been very embarrassing to the left in all fairness). Fact is, everything in that article (without even reading every word but just scanning) is factually proven and well documented. I'm sorry of the fact are uncomfortable but unless you can show where anything reported in the article is untrue the facts are what they accurate are regardless if it conflicts with preconceived biases.

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"Smearing the South With False Charges of Racism"
Once again, inconvenient truth at work here. All of what is reported in this article can be substantiated by well established historical facts. All you have to do is take the time to look each of them up and apparently to your surprise you'll be learning new information that while it might shake long held opinions are facts that can be undeniably supported by a wide range of historical evidence. Yes, perhaps - once again the "talking points" of the right, but I'd offer you another conclusion, which is to say it's nothing more than the "talking points" of those that are actually informed of the facts and nothing more. I can go point by point and provide you with evidence to support each and every point made but since I've already done this for myself I'll leave that to you if you really want to bother to know.

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"Deadly Falsehoods About the Orlando Shooting and Gun Control"
Of course people like presumably yourself (and most likely virtually all the others posting here) who support strong gun controls in our nation are never going to like to hear the other side. All I will say here is that once again it is for you to please show me where any of the documentation is incorrect and leave it at that. I would add that that each side on this subject is generally always reflective of their political persuasion. The fact is that it has been documented in 1997 the Clinton Justice department in 1997 there were an estimated 1.5 million defensive users of firearms per year. Beyond that, more recently in a separate study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology conducted by Northwestern University School of Law in-conjunction with Florida State the following was found: 2.5 million law-abiding citizens have used guns to defend themselves against criminal activity per year. Lets be honest here, the criminal will always find a way to obtain a gun, so why restrict honest law abiding citizens from defending themselves? Think about it, take away all guns then maybe an argument can be made to support a position to do away with gun ownership and of course then we'll have an outbreak of knifing presumably (because the fact remains "hate" cannot and will not ever be eliminated). But the fact remains, we will never be able to remove guns from our society so let's be realistic and stop feeding into this notion that some way keeping guns away from those who only want to keep themselves and loved ones safe is helpful. No one denies that we need to keep guns out of the hands of the criminals and unbalanced individuals but that is an entirely different story than minimizing guns in the hands of honest law abiding people. I certainly hope that you and your family are protected in the event a lawless person were to enter your own home with a weapon. The fact is the lawless in this country will by any means obtain a weapon, it behooves the law-abiding to protect themselves. How many times have there been an occasion where a mass shooting could have been stopped in its tracks by a law abiding person with a weapon? The truth be known, it's generally always the "gun free zones" where the attacker will go with their weapon to prey on those that are defenseless. These deranged people are no fools, the will more often than not seek out places where they will be less threatened. I for one would prefer to not be a "sitting duck" in situations like this and if there happens to be a person in the crowd who carries I'm by all means going to feel good about this as far as each and every bad situation that may arise.

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It's a right-wing website.
But then I'm not at all surprised to see this conclusion expressed here in this topic and expect more of the same....
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject:

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I really hope you find something better to do with your time

Also.. if you are anywhere near the boat that has Trump supporters in it.. it is sinking fast..

Enjoy your traitorous elitist

I still cannot believe the story about him and his son stealing money from childrens charities they run...

You couldn't be more correct as far as the fact that I certainly do have better things to do. So yes, I see no reason to continue on and waste my time any further.... I'm always willing to hear the other side, but when the other side does nothing more than respectively reaching for their proverbial security blanket...

Oh, btw - on the point that I'm always willing to listen to the other side, once again I'd be happy to read a link to support your assertion that "him [presumably that evil "traitorous elitist" Trump) and his son [is] stealing money from childrens charities they run"... I'll be waiting....

... better hurry though, because my "boat that has trump supporters.... is sinking fast" so hopefully you'll be able to provide that link before me and my friends become inundated with water....
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LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:

I really hope you find something better to do with your time

Also.. if you are anywhere near the boat that has Trump supporters in it.. it is sinking fast..

Enjoy your traitorous elitist

I still cannot believe the story about him and his son stealing money from childrens charities they run...

You couldn't be more correct as far as the fact that I certainly do have better things to do. So yes, I see no reason to continue on and waste my time any further.... I'm always willing to hear the other side, but when the other side does nothing more than respectively reaching for their proverbial security blanket...

Oh, btw - on the point that I'm always willing to listen to the other side, once again I'd be happy to read a link to support your assertion that "him [presumably that evil "traitorous elitist" Trump) and his son [is] stealing money from childrens charities they run"... I'll be waiting....

... better hurry though, because my "boat that has trump supporters.... is sinking fast" so hopefully you'll be able to provide that link before me and my friends become inundated with water....


If something seems like fake news lmk
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-eric-trump-charity


How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#33e90a1b6b4a

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:
LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:

I really hope you find something better to do with your time

Also.. if you are anywhere near the boat that has Trump supporters in it.. it is sinking fast..

Enjoy your traitorous elitist

I still cannot believe the story about him and his son stealing money from childrens charities they run...

You couldn't be more correct as far as the fact that I certainly do have better things to do. So yes, I see no reason to continue on and waste my time any further.... I'm always willing to hear the other side, but when the other side does nothing more than respectively reaching for their proverbial security blanket...

Oh, btw - on the point that I'm always willing to listen to the other side, once again I'd be happy to read a link to support your assertion that "him [presumably that evil "traitorous elitist" Trump) and his son [is] stealing money from childrens charities they run"... I'll be waiting....

... better hurry though, because my "boat that has trump supporters.... is sinking fast" so hopefully you'll be able to provide that link before me and my friends become inundated with water....


If something seems like fake news lmk
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-eric-trump-charity


How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#33e90a1b6b4a

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Oh rats, and here I was thinking that I was about to spend my time better....

I will without reservation wholeheartedly condemn any malfeasance or wrong doing of any kind in regards to any charities run by the Trump family (why shouldn't I, as we all should in any case, as I'm not tied to any any side that keeps me from speaking out against something when appropriate). But at the same time as in many cases it's a mixed bag as reported in the article:
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THE ULTIMATE TRAGEDY HERE is that the Eric Trump Foundation has done so much good.

.... nevertheless I totally stand by my statement that I in no way would support and in fact totally condemn any shady dealings of any kind, period... with that said I would hope that to the extent that the Trump charities are malfeasance in any way that we would also all agree to at the same time condemn any malfeasance in regards to the well documented and frequently reported at best questionable dealings involving the Clinton Foundation as well.

While no doubt there are beneficial things that are done in either case we should all be able to say that all inappropriate activities of any kind in either case should be condemned in no uncertain terms.... So I'm certain you and all others will join me in condemning any and all reports of questionable activities that have reportedly occurred to the extent that these reports are accurate in regards to BOTH the Trump Charities and the Clinton Foundation as well.... ... RIGHT?

Oh and thanks for posting the links, I do recall reading something about this and appreciate your pointing it out once again.
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LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election". So while we as yet do not have any stats on this for the 2016 election, one would certainly conclude based on the known significantly greater influx of non-citizens entering the country since that time there would be far more than that who would have likely illegally voted 8 years later in the most recent 2016 election


Before addressing the rest of your nonsense, I need you to provide a credible link. At least one of the hundreds at your disposal.


He didn't say any of those 100's of reports were credible.
You are absolutely correct, I did not say one way or the other.... what I did say is:
LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
....whether one likes to hear it or not; as we all know based on a simple search of the internet there are literally 100's of reports on the web regarding studies that show "5.7 Million Non-citizens may have Cast Illegal Votes in the 2008 election".
what one chooses to believe is reflected for the most part by which direction each individuals personal biases might slant obviously.


I won't claim to speak for you, but what I believe is not a "choice" but something that is arrived at after analysis of a body of information and critical thought- which is why I avoid having my information dictated by a google search. But I get why you choose to go with your biases.
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