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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject:

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I don’t think calling republicans will be keeping democrats home. It may make republicans turn out. I live in democrat central and I have yet to meet a single one that feels like they can’t turn out if the democrats keep calling the gop racist.


Calling out people who don't believe exactly as we might is part of what helped just enough fence sitters who hated Hillary to take a chance on "Something Else". But the point being, is it worth it to make every play possible to make sure we get as high a turnout as possible. Travel through Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, and the like - and you find plenty of 'Democrats' who are VERY sick of what they perceive as the overuse of the Race Card. Personally, I don't care about their personal beliefs. I just don't want them to lose any motivation to goto the polls. If part of the price is simply holding our collective tongues for a few months, isn't it worth it? Nothing to lose, but a WHOLE lot to gain.

You and I here in Washington don't really matter. There's nothing available to flip here. But I'm sure you'd agree, we're dealing with an entirely different voting populace than someplace like - Ohio. A bit of patience and self control could go a long way to achieving goals. And why not. What on earth does anybody gain from calling out the racists tendencies of folks who actually have those tendencies? They know in their hearts what they are, no matter how much they publicaly deny it. And our berating them accomplishes nothing but hardening their positions. I think it best to lay off for a bit since there are definitely some on our side of the fence that share some of their views in this area.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject:

Report: Mueller May Have Conflict of Interest in Russian Oligarch

Doesn't seem too serious considering the reason.. but it can be SPUN
Better be well calculated spin though

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Special counsel Robert Mueller may have a potential conflict of interest in the Russia investigation he is leading at the Department of Justice, it's alleged in a new opinion piece.

John Solomon of The Hill wrote Monday evening that a Russian being investigated as part of the probe has ties to Mueller back when the latter served as director of the FBI.

The FBI asked Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska for help in trying to find and rescue retired FBI agent Robert Levinson, who was taken hostage in Iran in 2007 while he was doing work for the CIA. Deripaska ended up spending $25 million on the search, an operation that was nearly successful in 2010 before the State Department was unhappy with Iran's terms of Levinson's release. A deal that had been brokered was called off.

One of the FBI agents that helped lobby Deripaska for the task was Andrew McCabe, who eventually rose to deputy director but was fired earlier this year days before he was slated to retire.
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Was it really necessary to pay for 250 people to fly to Jerusalem to witness the beginning of WWIII?

40 us senators
Religious leaders

Wonder what the dollar cost was for all of these people to be flown there and why..

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Steven Mnuchin set to lead 250 strong US delegation at Jerusalem embassy opening
Group reportedly to include Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham, Jewish leaders and heads of pro-Israel Christian organizations


Not even a knock on Israel. Just a giant waste of your tax dollars by criminals with voters
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:34 pm    Post subject:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/14/nunes-gowdy-accuse-doj-launching-anonymous-attacks-on-congressional-investigator.html
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"Attacking staffers, planting false stories, and endangering national security by leaking sensitive information to the press, including information about intelligence sources -- this is what the DOJ is doing, and this why trust in the DOJ is rapidly eroding in Congress,” said California Rep. Devin Nunes, the GOP chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.



I thought he was talking about himself and Trump

Nunes is paid with tax dollars from your families and he is almost as bad as Alex Jones
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President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject:

It's amazing what a half billion dollar loan can buy these days.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:40 am    Post subject:

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It's amazing what a half billion dollar loan can buy these days.


Pay 2 Win.

It is really sad state of gov and GOP to let Trump get away with this. This is bribery and GOP is fine with it. But more incredible is that republicans are fine with it. The things they will overlook if their viewpoints are supported.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
"Lower taxes for me" implies you're getting a bigger piece of the pie, and in this version of reality with GOP controlling everything, the people who are paying for your tax cut are the middle class, working class, poor and seniors, frequently women, children and people of color. That tax cut didn't just fall out of the sky. People lost their insurance, got kicked off food stamps and medicaid, etc. "Oh, I just wanted a tax cut..." You really think they don't know who got hurt in the GOP Tax Scam? They know and they don't care.


Well, one core difference to me is that republicans see taxation rates as an independent variable, while democrats (and I) see it as a dependent variable.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject:

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Trump admin is preparing to put migrant children in warehouses on military bases after separating them from their families.


This is barbaric, disgusting, inhumane and a form of child abuse. This isn't supposed to happen in the United States of America.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:33 pm    Post subject:

Wisconsin’s Voter-ID Law Suppressed 200,000 Votes in 2016 (Trump Won by 22,748)

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A new study shows how voter-ID laws decreased turnout among African-American and Democratic voters.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject:

Washington Post: Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters

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In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House.

The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice.


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But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it.

It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them.

It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.

If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.


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So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters. There is no bit of PR razzle-dazzle that will stop them. Remember that white Republicans are not going to vote for you anyway, and their votes are no more valuable or virtuous than the votes of any other American. Don’t try to come up with photo ops showing you genuflecting before the totems of the white working class, because that won’t work. Advocate for what you believe in, and explain why it actually helps people.

Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:38 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Washington Post: Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters

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In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House.

The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice.


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But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it.

It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them.

It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.

If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.


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So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters. There is no bit of PR razzle-dazzle that will stop them. Remember that white Republicans are not going to vote for you anyway, and their votes are no more valuable or virtuous than the votes of any other American. Don’t try to come up with photo ops showing you genuflecting before the totems of the white working class, because that won’t work. Advocate for what you believe in, and explain why it actually helps people.

Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked.


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject:

Republicans need to be classified as the party of the rich. They will screw you over to keep lining the pockets of their donors. Even racists are susceptible to a class war, and the Dems are on the winning side there. Bernie tapped into it. So did Trump to some extent, which I think is one of the main reasons he won the GOP primary.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject:

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Republicans need to be classified as the party of the rich. They will screw you over to keep lining the pockets of their donors. Even racists are susceptible to a class war, and the Dems are on the winning side there. Bernie tapped into it. So did Trump to some extent, which I think is one of the main reasons he won the GOP primary.


I don't think the Dems will successfully establish the GOP as the party for the rich.
The right is an insulated bubble filled with propaganda. Even though the working-poor majority of the GOP base won't have their lives improved under Trump. Fox News will convince them life is better now. There were Republican polls that came out once Trump was elected but before any major executive orders were signed or legislation passed. And the GOP subjects of the poll overwhelmingly switched to saying they are confident in the direction of the country.
If everyone voted their self-interest, sure the GOP could easily be defeated. But our government can't serve the majority of the population as long as the working-poor GOP base keeps voting against their interests.
No amount of information will change their thinking. Their views are mostly driven by emotion and not logic.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:23 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Washington Post: Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters


Trump voters are a lost cause. Nearly 40% of eligible voters didn't participate in 2016. Dems need to focus on that number and ignore Trump voters.

Can't risk alienating our base just for a chance at some wish-washy Trump voters. The Dem base doesn't want compromise or half measures. If anything they want our party to dig in and pull the country left. That has to be the focus.

Hillary lost because of Russia and the -isms in our country. But one thing we learned is: leave the pragmatism of compromise for after we win. Hillary would say ''this is a realistic goal for wage increases across America", and Bernie said "living wage". Hillary would say "these are reasonable things we can do to make college more affordable", and Bernie said "free college". I could go on an on. Fixing Obamacare vs. universal healthcare. Cutting military spending vs. taking all military spending and using it domestically.
If after we win, the promises made are obstructed by the the GOP and compromises must be made. The Dem base will understand if we fight and negotiate hard enough. The base forgave Obama for his unfulfilled promises. Closing GITMO is one example that comes to mind.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Washington Post: Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters

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In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House.

The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice.


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But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it.

It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them.

It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.

If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.


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So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters. There is no bit of PR razzle-dazzle that will stop them. Remember that white Republicans are not going to vote for you anyway, and their votes are no more valuable or virtuous than the votes of any other American. Don’t try to come up with photo ops showing you genuflecting before the totems of the white working class, because that won’t work. Advocate for what you believe in, and explain why it actually helps people.

Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked.

I have fairly Republican parents and have watched enough Fox News trash to know this is 100% accurate. 100%.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:56 pm    Post subject:

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Trump admin is preparing to put migrant children in warehouses on military bases after separating them from their families.


This is barbaric, disgusting, inhumane and a form of child abuse. This isn't supposed to happen in the United States of America.

Link to Washington Post story


I visited the Manzanar Camp site recently. I am sure it could be converted back to a "relocation camp" easily, the guard towers and barracks are still there. And with HWY 395 we could get the kids there so much faster and not have to use trains to transport them. Think of the jobs that could be generated locally for guards and bus drivers and such. A win-win for everyone.

Let's incarcerate brown kids again, it has worked so well in the past. Like the kids kidnapped from their families and sent to "Indian Schools", they made such good little maids and janitors once they were properly trained and converted to Christianity. And I'm sure those Japanese-American kids at Manzanar got top-notch educations too. Hell, with Betsy DeVos in charge we could get those kids up to the skill level that John Kelly wants for immigrants. No need to deport them with their parents, they can be our next big labor force.

This administration disgusts me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:11 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Washington Post: Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters

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In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House.

The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice.


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But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it.

It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them.

It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.

If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.


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So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters. There is no bit of PR razzle-dazzle that will stop them. Remember that white Republicans are not going to vote for you anyway, and their votes are no more valuable or virtuous than the votes of any other American. Don’t try to come up with photo ops showing you genuflecting before the totems of the white working class, because that won’t work. Advocate for what you believe in, and explain why it actually helps people.

Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked.


Yup, all due respect to Suede, there just aren’t any mythical democrat voters waiting for democrats to stop calling the GOP racist so they can feel good about voting against the GOP. And the GOP knows how to close ranks. You gotta show up and take it from them. And you don’t do that playing nice about them.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:37 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Washington Post: Why Democrats can’t win the ‘respect’ of Trump voters

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In the endless search for the magic key that Democrats can use to unlock the hearts of white people who vote Republican, the hot new candidate is “respect.” If only they cast off their snooty liberal elitism and show respect to people who voted for Donald Trump, Democrats can win them over and take back Congress and the White House.

The assumption is that if Democrats simply choose to deploy this powerful tool of respect, then minds will be changed and votes will follow. This belief, widespread though it may be, is stunningly naive. It ignores decades of history and everything about our current political environment. There’s almost nothing more foolish Democrats could do than follow that advice.


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But the mistake is to ignore where the belief in Democratic disrespect actually comes from and to assume that Democrats have it in their power to banish it.

It doesn’t come from the policies advocated by the Democratic Party, and it doesn’t come from the things Democratic politicians say. Where does it come from? An entire industry that’s devoted to convincing white people that liberal elitists look down on them.

It’s more than an industry, actually; it’s an industry, plus a political movement. The right has a gigantic media apparatus that is devoted to convincing people that liberals disrespect them, plus a political party whose leaders all understand that that idea is key to their political project and so join in the chorus at every opportunity.

If you doubt this, I’d encourage you to tune in to Fox News or listen to conservative talk radio for a week. When you do, you’ll find that again and again you’re told stories of some excess of campus political correctness, some obscure liberal professor who said something offensive, some liberal celebrity who said something crude about rednecks or some Democratic politician who displayed a lack of knowledge of a conservative cultural marker. The message is pounded home over and over: They hate you and everything you stand for.


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So what are Democrats to do? The answer is simple: This is a game they cannot win, so they have to stop playing. Know at the outset that no matter what you say or do, Republicans will cry that you’re disrespecting good heartland voters. There is no bit of PR razzle-dazzle that will stop them. Remember that white Republicans are not going to vote for you anyway, and their votes are no more valuable or virtuous than the votes of any other American. Don’t try to come up with photo ops showing you genuflecting before the totems of the white working class, because that won’t work. Advocate for what you believe in, and explain why it actually helps people.

Finally — and this is critical — never stop telling voters how Republicans are screwing them over. The two successful Democratic presidents of recent years were both called liberal elitists, and they countered by relentlessly hammering the GOP over its advocacy for the wealthy. And it worked.


Yup, all due respect to Suede, there just aren’t any mythical democrat voters waiting for democrats to stop calling the GOP racist so they can feel good about voting against the GOP. And the GOP knows how to close ranks. You gotta show up and take it from them. And you don’t do that playing nice about them.


I clearly failed to make my point. It's not Democrats who are waiting for folks to stop calling the GOP Racists. It's those Democrats who themselves harbor racist tendencies that are also getting hit when the "They're Racist" cannon gets fired. All over the midwest, you have plenty of Democrats who harbor racist tendencies. And every time we take the time to detail the racist tendencies of the GOP, those Democrats that harbor racist tendencies are also getting hit with the fallout from the "They're Racist" cannon.

When you goto suburban Missouri, Ohio, Indiana, & Pennsylvania there in't a whole lot of daylight between Republican and Democrat voters. When you talk to folks in those areas about what matters to them, it's pretty eeiry just how similar both sides of the aisle are in the midwest. A far cry different than the situation in places like Washington, California, and the Northeast - where the gulf between the desires of Democrats and Republicans is HUGE. That's why the elections in the Midwest are always so close.

So when someone berates something as being racists and ascribes it to the GOP, you're got Democrats who look at what's being used to paint them as racist and they say to themselves "Hey wait a minute. I too think most of the problems are caused by Young Black males so I guess they think I'm racist too." That's the point I was attempting to make and quite clearly failed miserably. When you keep trying to beat down the GOP with the racist card at every turn, you also risk turning off racists Democrats, of which there are plenty. Racists Republicans obviously are never going to be voting for a Democrat so they don't matter. But we don't need to deter Democrats voters from going to the polls.

So it's a pretty basic question:

a) Would you rather Racist Democrats turnout to vote in healthy numbers?

b) Or are you so bothered by the fact that those racists Democrats exist that you don't care if they stay home or not even if it means you lose some races by slim margins and can't take back either the house or senate?

c) If you identify with a set of circumstances that folks on your "Team" constantly attack - do you think it might weaken your resolve to work with them or strengthen your resolve to work with them?

My point is I want every warm body willing to vote to turnout. I don't want to engage in any activity that has even the potential to keep voters at home. Voters throwing up their hands and just choosing not to participate because they were disgusted with their choices, or some part of the process is a large part of what got us into this mess in the 1st place. If turnout is maximised, then things will be all right.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:03 pm    Post subject:

I have real, close people in the racist firing zone. I guess I long ago figured out I can’t play footsie with people who would causally deny their humanity, or worse, just not give enough of a (bleep) about them to even merit thinking about their humanity. Because as much as you’d like the warm body, you just end up being another person who those effected have to take the brush off from. Trust me, we’ll take care of you when we win. We’re just pandering to your oppressors for their vote, and of course we won’t keep pandering for their continued vote.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
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Trump admin is preparing to put migrant children in warehouses on military bases after separating them from their families.


This is barbaric, disgusting, inhumane and a form of child abuse. This isn't supposed to happen in the United States of America.

Link to Washington Post story


The United States is not supposed to condone genocide either but we do.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 11:50 pm    Post subject:

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Trump eliminates job of national cybersecurity coordinator

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-eliminates-job-national-cybersecurity-coordinator-n874511

I'm sure he has a good t̶ reason.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:51 am    Post subject:

While I do agree you can't change the minds of many people, and maybe that it's more beneficial to focus on a core group... I disagree about people being able to change their mind. I think you can look at religion as an example of that. Many people who were raised with religion (primarily Christianity in America) become atheists or simply stop believing later in life. If people can lose their religion they can lose their political beliefs.

A lot of the problem though is that they are continually barraged with things to slant their opinions. Fox News is the largest contributor there. It's really just a propaganda arm at this point. Not to say that NBC isn't fully left either, but they still live in the world of facts, even if they primarily view them from one side. But more people watch Fox than any other news channel and if you do, you aren't going to see a lot of the negatives, and when you do they will typically ridicule the notion and point to a conspiracy theory or cut to a car chase. That slants peoples opinions.

A great example of that was the De La Hoya and Mosley rematch. Most people who watched it on HBO were influenced by HBO's opinion that De La Hoya was clearly winning. I was the only person at the house I was in who thought it was close (imo a draw). HBO announcers were shocked by the decision. When ringside media observers were polled though most of them had Mosley winning. And a friend who watched the fight live said that was the feeling of most of the people in the audience. The announcers viewing De La Hoya as winning though clearly had an influence on the TV audience. Now moving that back to the political discussion the people who watch Fox News all day are almost certainly going to have a very different view of those watching NBC, and a significantly different view from those watching more mid of the line channels.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:23 am    Post subject:

The thing that gives me hope is that the Parkland kids (and the Women's March, etc.) started a movement to register new voters -- mostly directed at young people, but also anyone who feels strongly about gun reform. By definition, those people will be mostly voting for the Democratic candidate. The people who have been sitting on the sidelines and not voting are the ones who need to be convinced to vote. The Democrats who have been flipping seats locally since the election have focused on local issues. There has been no need to call the GOP candidate a racist. Just explain why their policies don't work and yours do. It's been a winning strategy. There have also been multiple groups formed to recruit new Democratic candidates to compete for offices previously unchallenged. Interestingly, the wave of women candidates and candidates of color have had a lot of success. Maybe the key to bringing out new voters is seeing candidates who look like them and reflect their concerns. It doesn't have to be done in a divisive way.

The point here is not to focus exclusively on white working class voters in an effort to reach them through their Fox News haze, but to leave them to figure it out for themselves while making positive arguments for Democratic polices. But you make those arguments to everyone; you don't need to chase them down and pander to their racial fears, nor do you need to pretend they don't have those racial fears.


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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject:

White House and Bolton remove Top position of Cybersecurity Coordinator
https://www.cnet.com/news/white-house-reportedly-eliminates-top-cybersecurity-role/

^^° Criminally Negligent

Whole administration full of derelicts
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