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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject:

Just another day in Trump's Amerikkka:

Kids on winning robotics team told, 'Go back to Mexico'

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NDIANAPOLIS ó The day should have been one of glory and celebration for five fourth-graders.

The Pleasant Run Elementary students had just won a robotics challenge at Plainfield High School, and the students ó new to bot competition this year ó were one step closer to the Vex IQ State Championship.

The team is made up of 9- and 10-year-olds. Two are African American and three are Latino.

As the group, called the Pleasant Run PantherBots, and their parents left the challenge last month in Plainfield, Ind., competing students from other Indianapolis-area schools and their parents were waiting for them in the parking lot.

ďGo back to Mexico!Ē two or three kids screamed at their brown-skin peers and their parents, according to some who were there.

This verbal attack had spilled over from the gymnasium. While the children were competing, one or two parents disparaged the Pleasant Run kids with racist comments ó and loud enough for the Pleasant Run families to hear.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject:

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The body language alone is priceless.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject:

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lol probably the first time I've wanted to pinch Don John's cheeks and go wooojy wooojy woooo.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject:

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https://pics.onsizzle.com/kellyanne-taking-a-selfie-12-01-tu-16747004.png

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Just another day in Trump's Amerikkka:

Kids on winning robotics team told, 'Go back to Mexico'

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NDIANAPOLIS ó The day should have been one of glory and celebration for five fourth-graders.

The Pleasant Run Elementary students had just won a robotics challenge at Plainfield High School, and the students ó new to bot competition this year ó were one step closer to the Vex IQ State Championship.

The team is made up of 9- and 10-year-olds. Two are African American and three are Latino.

As the group, called the Pleasant Run PantherBots, and their parents left the challenge last month in Plainfield, Ind., competing students from other Indianapolis-area schools and their parents were waiting for them in the parking lot.

ďGo back to Mexico!Ē two or three kids screamed at their brown-skin peers and their parents, according to some who were there.

This verbal attack had spilled over from the gymnasium. While the children were competing, one or two parents disparaged the Pleasant Run kids with racist comments ó and loud enough for the Pleasant Run families to hear.


People like that don't deserve to live.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject:

A 30 foot wall?

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The Trump administration wants to build a 30-foot-high border wall that looks good from the north side and is difficult to climb or cut through, according to a pair of contract notices posted to a government website further detailing President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border.

The notices were made public late Friday by Customs and Border Protection, the Homeland Security Department agency that will oversee the project and eventually patrol and maintain the wall. The proposals are due to the government by March 29.

One of the CBP contract requests calls for a solid concrete wall, while the other asks for proposals for a see-through structure. Both require the wall to sunk at least six feet into the ground and include 25- and 50-foot automated gates for pedestrians and vehicles. The proposed wall must also be built in a such a way that it would take at least an hour to cut through it with a "sledgehammer, car jack, pick axe, chisel, battery operated impact tools, battery operated cutting tools, Oxy/acetylene torch or other similar hand-held tools."


Seriously?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject:

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A 30 foot wall?

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The Trump administration wants to build a 30-foot-high border wall that looks good from the north side and is difficult to climb or cut through, according to a pair of contract notices posted to a government website further detailing President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border.

The notices were made public late Friday by Customs and Border Protection, the Homeland Security Department agency that will oversee the project and eventually patrol and maintain the wall. The proposals are due to the government by March 29.

One of the CBP contract requests calls for a solid concrete wall, while the other asks for proposals for a see-through structure. Both require the wall to sunk at least six feet into the ground and include 25- and 50-foot automated gates for pedestrians and vehicles. The proposed wall must also be built in a such a way that it would take at least an hour to cut through it with a "sledgehammer, car jack, pick axe, chisel, battery operated impact tools, battery operated cutting tools, Oxy/acetylene torch or other similar hand-held tools."


Seriously?


Considering cost, logistics, bureaucracy and land acquisition it would take to make that happen, my Magic 8 Ball says, "Doubtful."
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:15 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
A 30 foot wall?

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The Trump administration wants to build a 30-foot-high border wall that looks good from the north side and is difficult to climb or cut through, according to a pair of contract notices posted to a government website further detailing President Donald Trump's promise to build a "big, beautiful wall" at the Mexican border.

The notices were made public late Friday by Customs and Border Protection, the Homeland Security Department agency that will oversee the project and eventually patrol and maintain the wall. The proposals are due to the government by March 29.

One of the CBP contract requests calls for a solid concrete wall, while the other asks for proposals for a see-through structure. Both require the wall to sunk at least six feet into the ground and include 25- and 50-foot automated gates for pedestrians and vehicles. The proposed wall must also be built in a such a way that it would take at least an hour to cut through it with a "sledgehammer, car jack, pick axe, chisel, battery operated impact tools, battery operated cutting tools, Oxy/acetylene torch or other similar hand-held tools."


Seriously?


Considering cost, logistics, bureaucracy and land acquisition it would take to make that happen, my Magic 8 Ball says, "Doubtful."


And bigly so.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject:

An engineer took a look at this last fall. He tried to calculate the amount of concrete that would be needed:

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Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam ó a project that, unlike Trumpís wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.

Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis ó and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.

That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.

Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

But the challenge is far greater than simply collecting the necessary raw materials. All of these hundreds of miles of wall would need to be cast in concrete facilities, probably project-specific ones that have been custom built near the border. Then, the pre-cast wall pieces would need to be shipped by truck through the inhospitable, often roadless desert.

The men and women doing the work of actually installing the wall would have to be provided with food, water, shelter, lavatory facilities, safety equipment, transportation, and medical care, and would sometimes be miles away from a population center of any size. Sure, some people would be willing to to do the work, but at what price? Would Trump hire Mexicans?

This analysis also ignores the less sexy aspects of large-scale engineering projects: surveying, land acquisition, environmental review, geological studies, maintenance, excavating for foundations, and so on. Theoretical President Trump may be able to executive-order his way through the laser grid of lawsuits that normally impede this kind of work, but he canít ignore the physical realities of construction.


http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

However . . . that was for a twenty foot wall, not a thirty foot wall. Also, I'm thinking that you could break through that sort of wall with a sledgehammer in less than an hour. Well, I probably couldn't, but someone strong enough to use a sledgehammer probably could.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
An engineer took a look at this last fall. He tried to calculate the amount of concrete that would be needed:

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Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam ó a project that, unlike Trumpís wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.

Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis ó and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.

That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.

Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

But the challenge is far greater than simply collecting the necessary raw materials. All of these hundreds of miles of wall would need to be cast in concrete facilities, probably project-specific ones that have been custom built near the border. Then, the pre-cast wall pieces would need to be shipped by truck through the inhospitable, often roadless desert.

The men and women doing the work of actually installing the wall would have to be provided with food, water, shelter, lavatory facilities, safety equipment, transportation, and medical care, and would sometimes be miles away from a population center of any size. Sure, some people would be willing to to do the work, but at what price? Would Trump hire Mexicans?

This analysis also ignores the less sexy aspects of large-scale engineering projects: surveying, land acquisition, environmental review, geological studies, maintenance, excavating for foundations, and so on. Theoretical President Trump may be able to executive-order his way through the laser grid of lawsuits that normally impede this kind of work, but he canít ignore the physical realities of construction.


http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

However . . . that was for a twenty foot wall, not a thirty foot wall. Also, I'm thinking that you could break through that sort of wall with a sledgehammer in less than an hour. Well, I probably couldn't, but someone strong enough to use a sledgehammer probably could.


There's so many tools you can use, I work construction and we have saws that cut through concrete like butter, thicker wall, bigger blade. I also hand dig holes, 6 ft is no problem, especially when you can take however long to dig, plywood over the hole and throw dirt over it. Going to need 24 hr patrols.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:20 pm    Post subject:

In_your_Eye wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
An engineer took a look at this last fall. He tried to calculate the amount of concrete that would be needed:

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Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam ó a project that, unlike Trumpís wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.

Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis ó and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.

That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.

Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

But the challenge is far greater than simply collecting the necessary raw materials. All of these hundreds of miles of wall would need to be cast in concrete facilities, probably project-specific ones that have been custom built near the border. Then, the pre-cast wall pieces would need to be shipped by truck through the inhospitable, often roadless desert.

The men and women doing the work of actually installing the wall would have to be provided with food, water, shelter, lavatory facilities, safety equipment, transportation, and medical care, and would sometimes be miles away from a population center of any size. Sure, some people would be willing to to do the work, but at what price? Would Trump hire Mexicans?

This analysis also ignores the less sexy aspects of large-scale engineering projects: surveying, land acquisition, environmental review, geological studies, maintenance, excavating for foundations, and so on. Theoretical President Trump may be able to executive-order his way through the laser grid of lawsuits that normally impede this kind of work, but he canít ignore the physical realities of construction.


http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

However . . . that was for a twenty foot wall, not a thirty foot wall. Also, I'm thinking that you could break through that sort of wall with a sledgehammer in less than an hour. Well, I probably couldn't, but someone strong enough to use a sledgehammer probably could.


There's so many tools you can use, I work construction and we have saws that cut through concrete like butter, thicker wall, bigger blade. I also hand dig holes, 6 ft is no problem, especially when you can take however long to dig, plywood over the hole and throw dirt over it. Going to need 24 hr patrols.


Or you could use a 32' extension ladder and be over the wall in under 30 seconds.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
In_your_Eye wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
An engineer took a look at this last fall. He tried to calculate the amount of concrete that would be needed:

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Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam ó a project that, unlike Trumpís wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.

Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis ó and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.

That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.

Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

But the challenge is far greater than simply collecting the necessary raw materials. All of these hundreds of miles of wall would need to be cast in concrete facilities, probably project-specific ones that have been custom built near the border. Then, the pre-cast wall pieces would need to be shipped by truck through the inhospitable, often roadless desert.

The men and women doing the work of actually installing the wall would have to be provided with food, water, shelter, lavatory facilities, safety equipment, transportation, and medical care, and would sometimes be miles away from a population center of any size. Sure, some people would be willing to to do the work, but at what price? Would Trump hire Mexicans?

This analysis also ignores the less sexy aspects of large-scale engineering projects: surveying, land acquisition, environmental review, geological studies, maintenance, excavating for foundations, and so on. Theoretical President Trump may be able to executive-order his way through the laser grid of lawsuits that normally impede this kind of work, but he canít ignore the physical realities of construction.


http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

However . . . that was for a twenty foot wall, not a thirty foot wall. Also, I'm thinking that you could break through that sort of wall with a sledgehammer in less than an hour. Well, I probably couldn't, but someone strong enough to use a sledgehammer probably could.


There's so many tools you can use, I work construction and we have saws that cut through concrete like butter, thicker wall, bigger blade. I also hand dig holes, 6 ft is no problem, especially when you can take however long to dig, plywood over the hole and throw dirt over it. Going to need 24 hr patrols.


Or you could use a 32' extension ladder and be over the wall in under 30 seconds.


We have those too.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject:

This was posted by a teacher in one of my Facebook groups. This is a little something to think about for the people who think food programs for children and seniors are just a another line item in the budget like buying spare parts for equipment:

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We are your children's teachers. We know that we may have more time with your child than you do.

We don't want them to be hungry, and not just because a hungry child can't learn but because we care about them. Hungry feels scary.

Almost every teacher I know has a cabinet in their classroom with emergency food for their hungry students. This is the cabinet I share with another teacher.

Children come into our classroom everyday telling us they are hungry. Many more never say a word because they are embarrassed and it is up to us to notice that they are distracted, tired, grumpy.

Skilled and compassionate teachers learn to ask if there is food in the house and when was the last time you ate? And the really skilled teachers just know when to make an extra sandwich, grab an orange, make a bag of popcorn or bowl of oatmeal, and set it in front of a student and tell them to eat.


This shouldn't be happening in America, and yes the Federal government should do everything possible to make sure this doesn't happen. No child in this country should have feel embarrassed about hunger.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:57 pm    Post subject:

In_your_Eye wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
In_your_Eye wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
An engineer took a look at this last fall. He tried to calculate the amount of concrete that would be needed:

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Twelve million, six hundred thousand cubic yards. In other words, this wall would contain over three times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam ó a project that, unlike Trumpís wall, has qualitative, verifiable economic benefits.

Such a wall would be greater in volume than all six pyramids of the Giza Necropolis ó and it is unlikely that a concrete slab in the town of Dead Dog Valley, Texas would inspire the same timeless sense of wonder.

That quantity of concrete could pave a one-lane road from New York to Los Angeles, going the long way around the Earth, which would probably be just as useful.

Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar). A reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, or about 5 billion pounds. We could melt down 4 of our Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and would probably be a few cruisers short of having enough steel.

But the challenge is far greater than simply collecting the necessary raw materials. All of these hundreds of miles of wall would need to be cast in concrete facilities, probably project-specific ones that have been custom built near the border. Then, the pre-cast wall pieces would need to be shipped by truck through the inhospitable, often roadless desert.

The men and women doing the work of actually installing the wall would have to be provided with food, water, shelter, lavatory facilities, safety equipment, transportation, and medical care, and would sometimes be miles away from a population center of any size. Sure, some people would be willing to to do the work, but at what price? Would Trump hire Mexicans?

This analysis also ignores the less sexy aspects of large-scale engineering projects: surveying, land acquisition, environmental review, geological studies, maintenance, excavating for foundations, and so on. Theoretical President Trump may be able to executive-order his way through the laser grid of lawsuits that normally impede this kind of work, but he canít ignore the physical realities of construction.


http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

However . . . that was for a twenty foot wall, not a thirty foot wall. Also, I'm thinking that you could break through that sort of wall with a sledgehammer in less than an hour. Well, I probably couldn't, but someone strong enough to use a sledgehammer probably could.


There's so many tools you can use, I work construction and we have saws that cut through concrete like butter, thicker wall, bigger blade. I also hand dig holes, 6 ft is no problem, especially when you can take however long to dig, plywood over the hole and throw dirt over it. Going to need 24 hr patrols.


Or you could use a 32' extension ladder and be over the wall in under 30 seconds.


We have those too.


Maybe you guys could pass along your expert knowledge to Mr. Real Estate Genius-In-Chief and save us all a few billion dollars.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject:

Then you got stuff like this https://youtu.be/hOeSgKs94t0
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject:

Yes, it just becomes an engineering problem. And not a problem that requires Bechtel. 30 feet would probably take the ramps out of the discussion, but getting a sufficient power supply to run a heavy saw should be do-able. In fact, there are probably people who would do it just for fun. You could cut obscenities into the wall.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:39 pm    Post subject:

30 foot wall? Dynamite. And more dynamite.
Makes holes in the walls very quickly. It's much cheaper to blow things up than building them.

No need for ropes and easy walk through after you wait a while.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
This was posted by a teacher in one of my Facebook groups. This is a little something to think about for the people who think food programs for children and seniors are just a another line item in the budget like buying spare parts for equipment:

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We are your children's teachers. We know that we may have more time with your child than you do.

We don't want them to be hungry, and not just because a hungry child can't learn but because we care about them. Hungry feels scary.

Almost every teacher I know has a cabinet in their classroom with emergency food for their hungry students. This is the cabinet I share with another teacher.

Children come into our classroom everyday telling us they are hungry. Many more never say a word because they are embarrassed and it is up to us to notice that they are distracted, tired, grumpy.

Skilled and compassionate teachers learn to ask if there is food in the house and when was the last time you ate? And the really skilled teachers just know when to make an extra sandwich, grab an orange, make a bag of popcorn or bowl of oatmeal, and set it in front of a student and tell them to eat.


This shouldn't be happening in America, and yes the Federal government should do everything possible to make sure this doesn't happen. No child in this country should have feel embarrassed about hunger.


Hard for billionaires to give a (bleep).. their money will never be a measure of their value to life.. and they know it..it just fuels their self hatred

I knew a mother who always tried to support the teachers.. who raise the next generation.. Will they become Nazis like trump
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:24 am    Post subject:

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There's so many tools you can use, I work construction and we have saws that cut through concrete like butter, thicker wall, bigger blade. I also hand dig holes, 6 ft is no problem, especially when you can take however long to dig, plywood over the hole and throw dirt over it. Going to need 24 hr patrols.


And 24-hour patrols STILL didn't stop Andy Dufresne...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:27 am    Post subject:

Latest Gallup tracking poll:

58% disapproval
37% approval


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So they've finally admitted that their plan won't result in universal coverage.

But you gotta love the spin: you have a choice whether or not you want to have insurance, since the government no longer forces you to buy it. Look for them to push that nonsense in the coming weeks.

That Mulvaney character is a freaking sociopath.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:48 pm    Post subject:

Wilt wrote:
So they've finally admitted that their plan won't result in universal coverage.

But you gotta love the spin: you have a choice whether or not you want to have insurance, since the government no longer forces you to buy it. Look for them to push that nonsense in the coming weeks.

That Mulvaney character is a freaking sociopath.


A.k.a. Let the emergency room be your doctor. And everyone deal with the resulting increase in health care prices.

People who don't want to purchase healthcare, still get sick.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:59 pm    Post subject:

Same old same old strategy from the GOP. If you get sick, die quickly or go bankrupt.

So people over 65, here's looking at your insurance bill and paying 5X what you do now...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:30 pm    Post subject:

Rachael was careful not to be definitive.

How can Donald honestly avoid conflict of interest?

He thinks he's above the law. He said he could run the country and his businesses but chooses not to.

Slowly but surely his party is seeing how destructive his policies are and how he's about Donald and Donald alone, side out the chosen few. His path is hurting some rich and it's going to come back and bite him in the anus.

SPECIAL REPORT: Russian elite invested nearly $100 million in Trump buildings, records show

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