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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:13 am    Post subject: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/us/fresno-mass-shooting-football-party/index.html


Time to talk about mental health issues some more

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The mass shooting was the third in California in less than a week. On Thursday, a 16-year-old student at a Southern California high school shot and killed two classmates and wounded three other teens before fatally shooting himself.

On Saturday, police in San Diego said a husband shot and killed his wife and three of their sons before killing himself. A fourth son wounded in the shooting was on life support, family members said.
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Revenge is mine sayeth...

Time to talk about problems of our species. Our species needs help not just single Individuals

The American Capitalist Industrial Complex achieves many of it's goals through murder and destruction of whole countries and civilizations and we expect our citizenry to be sane?

The whole world is a mental hospital.
Our schools teach us money is better than equanimity. More important than your own soul even
You have to have money to die even. Cremation Burial Ceremonies et al

Teach children to connect on an equal level
Don't glorify anyone but your own self and to your self
Never become a commodity for capitalist predators
Protect your planet your community your friends but most important
Protect your own sanity and peace in mind

Learn to be a softer species.
First rule/law of many Buddhist sects is "Maitri" = Unconditional friendliness to yourself that then in turn will spread to your whole world
Jehovah.. 4 words in Hebrew "Yod He Vau He" meaning that which you are aware of being....
Thich Nhat Hanh asks his followers two important questions
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Don Miguel Ruiz "The four agreements
1. Be impeccable with your word
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Our children need schools that help them love and express themselves not just become a robot in the system

*Shooter above was either getting revenge or it was a gang initiation is my guess


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:22 am    Post subject:

ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Revenge is mine sayeth...

Time to talk about problems of our species. Our species needs help not just single Individuals

The American Capitalist Industrial Complex achieves many of it's goals through murder and destruction of whole countries and civilizations and we expect our citizenry to be sane?

The whole world is a mental hospital.
Our schools teach us money is better than equanimity. More important than your own soul even
You have to have money to die even. Cremation Burial Ceremonies et al

Teach children to connect on an equal level
Don't glorify anyone but your own self and to your self
Never become a commodity for capitalist predators
Protect your planet your community your friends but most important
Protect your own sanity and peace in mind

Learn to be a softer species.
First rule/law of many Buddhist sects is "Maitri" = Unconditional friendliness to yourself that then in turn will spread to your whole world
Jehovah.. 4 words in Hebrew "Yod He Vau He" meaning that which you are aware of being....
Thich Nhat Hanh asks his followers two important questions
1. Do you really know?
2. Are you really sure?
Don Miguel Ruiz "The four agreements
1. Be impeccable with your word
2. Never take anything personal
3. Never assume anything
4. Always do your best

Our children need schools that help them love and express themselves not just become a robot in the system

*Shooter above was either getting revenge or it was a gang initiation is my guess



Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject:

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Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


That's an interesting first thought.
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aprevo15 wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Revenge is mine sayeth...

Time to talk about problems of our species. Our species needs help not just single Individuals

The American Capitalist Industrial Complex achieves many of it's goals through murder and destruction of whole countries and civilizations and we expect our citizenry to be sane?

The whole world is a mental hospital.
Our schools teach us money is better than equanimity. More important than your own soul even
You have to have money to die even. Cremation Burial Ceremonies et al

Teach children to connect on an equal level
Don't glorify anyone but your own self and to your self
Never become a commodity for capitalist predators
Protect your planet your community your friends but most important
Protect your own sanity and peace in mind

Learn to be a softer species.
First rule/law of many Buddhist sects is "Maitri" = Unconditional friendliness to yourself that then in turn will spread to your whole world
Jehovah.. 4 words in Hebrew "Yod He Vau He" meaning that which you are aware of being....
Thich Nhat Hanh asks his followers two important questions
1. Do you really know?
2. Are you really sure?
Don Miguel Ruiz "The four agreements
1. Be impeccable with your word
2. Never take anything personal
3. Never assume anything
4. Always do your best

Our children need schools that help them love and express themselves not just become a robot in the system

*Shooter above was either getting revenge or it was a gang initiation is my guess



Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


Asia contains a lot of cultures and ethnic groups...why do they all need avenging?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:57 am    Post subject:

Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Revenge is mine sayeth...

Time to talk about problems of our species. Our species needs help not just single Individuals

The American Capitalist Industrial Complex achieves many of it's goals through murder and destruction of whole countries and civilizations and we expect our citizenry to be sane?

The whole world is a mental hospital.
Our schools teach us money is better than equanimity. More important than your own soul even
You have to have money to die even. Cremation Burial Ceremonies et al

Teach children to connect on an equal level
Don't glorify anyone but your own self and to your self
Never become a commodity for capitalist predators
Protect your planet your community your friends but most important
Protect your own sanity and peace in mind

Learn to be a softer species.
First rule/law of many Buddhist sects is "Maitri" = Unconditional friendliness to yourself that then in turn will spread to your whole world
Jehovah.. 4 words in Hebrew "Yod He Vau He" meaning that which you are aware of being....
Thich Nhat Hanh asks his followers two important questions
1. Do you really know?
2. Are you really sure?
Don Miguel Ruiz "The four agreements
1. Be impeccable with your word
2. Never take anything personal
3. Never assume anything
4. Always do your best

Our children need schools that help them love and express themselves not just become a robot in the system

*Shooter above was either getting revenge or it was a gang initiation is my guess



Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


Asia contains a lot of cultures and ethnic groups...why do they all need avenging?


Not sure what you mean by your comment. I got the impression from the article that this was an asian party and some wacko decided to shoot up a group of asians because of the recent school shooting which the shooter was an asian kid. The article said there was no immediate indication that the shooter knew the people nor gang related. Maybe I am thinking too much in to this but that is the impression I got when I read the article.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject:

aprevo15 wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:


Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


Asia contains a lot of cultures and ethnic groups...why do they all need avenging?


Not sure what you mean by your comment. I got the impression from the article that this was an asian party and some wacko decided to shoot up a group of asians because of the recent school shooting which the shooter was an asian kid. The article said there was no immediate indication that the shooter knew the people nor gang related. Maybe I am thinking too much in to this but that is the impression I got when I read the article.


That's an interesting first thought that popped into your head. There's been many mass school shootings in the US and I can't recall any retaliatory shootings.
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aprevo15 wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Revenge is mine sayeth...

Time to talk about problems of our species. Our species needs help not just single Individuals

The American Capitalist Industrial Complex achieves many of it's goals through murder and destruction of whole countries and civilizations and we expect our citizenry to be sane?

The whole world is a mental hospital.
Our schools teach us money is better than equanimity. More important than your own soul even
You have to have money to die even. Cremation Burial Ceremonies et al

Teach children to connect on an equal level
Don't glorify anyone but your own self and to your self
Never become a commodity for capitalist predators
Protect your planet your community your friends but most important
Protect your own sanity and peace in mind

Learn to be a softer species.
First rule/law of many Buddhist sects is "Maitri" = Unconditional friendliness to yourself that then in turn will spread to your whole world
Jehovah.. 4 words in Hebrew "Yod He Vau He" meaning that which you are aware of being....
Thich Nhat Hanh asks his followers two important questions
1. Do you really know?
2. Are you really sure?
Don Miguel Ruiz "The four agreements
1. Be impeccable with your word
2. Never take anything personal
3. Never assume anything
4. Always do your best

Our children need schools that help them love and express themselves not just become a robot in the system

*Shooter above was either getting revenge or it was a gang initiation is my guess



Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


Asia contains a lot of cultures and ethnic groups...why do they all need avenging?


Not sure what you mean by your comment. I got the impression from the article that this was an asian party and some wacko decided to shoot up a group of asians because of the recent school shooting which the shooter was an asian kid. The article said there was no immediate indication that the shooter knew the people nor gang related. Maybe I am thinking too much in to this but that is the impression I got when I read the article.


I apologize, I misunderstood you...sorry. I didn't catch that the victims were Asian. Please disregard my comment.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:27 am    Post subject:

Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
ContagiousInspiration wrote:
Revenge is mine sayeth...

Time to talk about problems of our species. Our species needs help not just single Individuals

The American Capitalist Industrial Complex achieves many of it's goals through murder and destruction of whole countries and civilizations and we expect our citizenry to be sane?

The whole world is a mental hospital.
Our schools teach us money is better than equanimity. More important than your own soul even
You have to have money to die even. Cremation Burial Ceremonies et al

Teach children to connect on an equal level
Don't glorify anyone but your own self and to your self
Never become a commodity for capitalist predators
Protect your planet your community your friends but most important
Protect your own sanity and peace in mind

Learn to be a softer species.
First rule/law of many Buddhist sects is "Maitri" = Unconditional friendliness to yourself that then in turn will spread to your whole world
Jehovah.. 4 words in Hebrew "Yod He Vau He" meaning that which you are aware of being....
Thich Nhat Hanh asks his followers two important questions
1. Do you really know?
2. Are you really sure?
Don Miguel Ruiz "The four agreements
1. Be impeccable with your word
2. Never take anything personal
3. Never assume anything
4. Always do your best

Our children need schools that help them love and express themselves not just become a robot in the system

*Shooter above was either getting revenge or it was a gang initiation is my guess



Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


Asia contains a lot of cultures and ethnic groups...why do they all need avenging?


Not sure what you mean by your comment. I got the impression from the article that this was an asian party and some wacko decided to shoot up a group of asians because of the recent school shooting which the shooter was an asian kid. The article said there was no immediate indication that the shooter knew the people nor gang related. Maybe I am thinking too much in to this but that is the impression I got when I read the article.


I apologize, I misunderstood you...sorry. I didn't catch that the victims were Asian. Please disregard my comment.


It's my fault. I was way too vague in my first reply.
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LongBeachPoly wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
aprevo15 wrote:


Well said. My first thought was revenge when I read that the people that died were asians.


Asia contains a lot of cultures and ethnic groups...why do they all need avenging?


Not sure what you mean by your comment. I got the impression from the article that this was an asian party and some wacko decided to shoot up a group of asians because of the recent school shooting which the shooter was an asian kid. The article said there was no immediate indication that the shooter knew the people nor gang related. Maybe I am thinking too much in to this but that is the impression I got when I read the article.


That's an interesting first thought that popped into your head. There's been many mass school shootings in the US and I can't recall any retaliatory shootings.



This isn't a school
It was a Family gathering of watching football together
An Asian family
Someone snuck in. Not one of the family
And started spraying bullets and ran away.

It is valuable to see our mind in action. The posters mind felt like it was a race based attack
They identify with their race and it feels personal
It very well could be and the greatest struggle is hating the Sin/Action and not the perpetrator

People who tell us to Love our enemies seem (bleep) crazy.
I comprehend the why and the how but do not practice it.
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Send care to their eternal soul. See them as you or a loved one and YOU will be healed.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

LongBeachPoly wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/us/fresno-mass-shooting-football-party/index.html


Time to talk about mental health issues some more

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The mass shooting was the third in California in less than a week. On Thursday, a 16-year-old student at a Southern California high school shot and killed two classmates and wounded three other teens before fatally shooting himself.

On Saturday, police in San Diego said a husband shot and killed his wife and three of their sons before killing himself. A fourth son wounded in the shooting was on life support, family members said.


Just as long as we don't talk about the actual weapons used...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:20 am    Post subject:

fresno.. that whole central valley is the hood. its a miracle anyone makes it out of there alive.

my first thought was that it was gang related.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:58 pm    Post subject:

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fresno.. that whole central valley is the hood. its a miracle anyone makes it out of there alive.

my first thought was that it was gang related.
no, its not all a hood! Does it have the hood in it?" yes. I live here in the Central Valley, born in L.A spend all my summers in the South Bay (Carson right next to Carson Park) as a kid up until my very early 20's at my Grandmothers and Dads, Its all the same, some area's are bad, some are good.
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fresno.. that whole central valley is the hood. its a miracle anyone makes it out of there alive.

my first thought was that it was gang related.
no, its not all a hood! Does it have the hood in it?" yes. I live here in the Central Valley, born in L.A spend all my summers in the South Bay (Carson right next to Carson Park) as a kid up until my very early 20's at my Grandmothers and Dads, Its all the same, some area's are bad, some are good.


And one of the bad ones would be the Central Valley...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

Omar Little wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/us/fresno-mass-shooting-football-party/index.html


Time to talk about mental health issues some more

Quote:
The mass shooting was the third in California in less than a week. On Thursday, a 16-year-old student at a Southern California high school shot and killed two classmates and wounded three other teens before fatally shooting himself.

On Saturday, police in San Diego said a husband shot and killed his wife and three of their sons before killing himself. A fourth son wounded in the shooting was on life support, family members said.


Just as long as we don't talk about the actual weapons used...


I just hope they dont make guns illegal. This is a people in this country issue. You take away guns more people will go to jail, which are already overflowing, also they will start using bombs then. It is a scary thought.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject: Re: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

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I just hope they dont make guns illegal. This is a people in this country issue. You take away guns more people will go to jail, which are already overflowing, also they will start using bombs then. It is a scary thought.


First of all, they are not going to make guns illegal.

Secondly, stronger gun regulation is not going to result in more people being put in jail. It will just reduce access to guns

Thirdly, reducing the number of guns in the country does not mean people will just start using bombs. The logical fallacy there is staggering.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

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Secondly, stronger gun regulation is not going to result in more people being put in jail. It will just reduce access to guns


His line of thinking is that people will still have access to guns, just illegally thus going to jail for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: mass shooting - fresno - 10 shot - 4 dead

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DaMuleRules wrote:
Secondly, stronger gun regulation is not going to result in more people being put in jail. It will just reduce access to guns


His line of thinking is that people will still have access to guns, just illegally thus going to jail for it.


I know what his point was and it's a false narrative.

The people who would be using illegal weapons to commit crimes are the very people who are already committing those crimes with blackmarket weapons. Those people go to jail for the crimes they commit, not because they are law abiding people who turn to a life of crime because of the reduced availability to guns. Restricting guns is NOT going turn law abiding people into criminals - no matter how many people buy into the NRA propaganda.

You know why? Refer to Point 1. They are not going to make guns illegal. So law abiding citizens will not be restricted from having reasonable access to guns. Again, gun legislation is not going to put people into jail who would not otherwise find themselves there for other reasons.
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DaMuleRules wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
Secondly, stronger gun regulation is not going to result in more people being put in jail. It will just reduce access to guns


His line of thinking is that people will still have access to guns, just illegally thus going to jail for it.


I know what his point was and it's a false narrative.



According to this report - it might not be a false narrative:

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Since 2000, Illinois has increased its penalties for gun offenses six times (including establishing, then increasing, mandatory minimums) and now has some of the harshest punishment in the nation. The number of weapons offenders in Illinois prisons is three times higher than in 2000.


https://www.chicagoreporter.com/locking-up-more-people-is-not-the-solution-to-gun-violence/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject:

Locking people up is not the solution to most problems.
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