predraft athletic testing? kobe/allen iverson

KobeFTW · Starting Rotation Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 193

Here is a list of some of the more popular players' verticals in the NBA. The sources are pretty reliable, most are from NBA.com, but they may not be correct. Everyone hears differently about player's verticals, so it's always hard to know for sure.

Vince Carter - 43"

Steve Francis - 43"

Antonio McDyess - 42"

Allen Iverson - 41"

Rex Chapmann - 39"

Kobe Bryant - 38"

Shaquille Oneal - 32"

Lamar Odom - 32"

Karl Malone - 28"

Retired Players

Michael Jordan - 48"

Spud Webb - 46"

Dee Brown - 44"

Harold Miner - 44"

Dominique Wilkins - 42"

Larry Nance - 40"

Julius Erving - 41"

Shawn Kemp - 40" (before he got fat)

Ralph Sampson - 36"

Magic Johnson - 30"

Other High Verticals (Non-NBA)

Michael Wilson (Globetrotters) - 51"

Reggie Thompson (Jumpsoles) - 53"

Ronnie Fields (CBA) - 48"

Melvin Levett - 45"

Randy Moss (NFL) - 51"

Jevon Kearse (NFL - 265 lbs) - 40"

- 40"
Brandon Dean (NCAA - Arkansas) - 39"
Desmond Mason (NCAA - Okla. St) - 38"

High Jumpers that Visited my Page

Kadour Ziani (French Exhibition Dunker) - 56"
Ant (Sky's the Limit Creator) - 41"
AirWhitey (MADUPS Creator) - 41"
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JerryMagicKobe · Moderator Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 15100

Kobe is stronger and just as athletic. He's put on probably 30 pounds of muscle since he won the dunk contest. Factor in 10 NBA seasons pounding on those knees...

astrallionheart · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject:

The example by KobeFTW is one I'd like to use to repeat what I've already said.

Example - it said Jordan's is 48".

Now it's entirely possible Jordan jumped 48" at one time (seen/heard second hand) , or jumped 48" at one measurement. But remember 48" is like what, 6" over the rim?

However, his as a rookie he was measured with a 43" vertical. Anyone whose followed Jordan as a rookie read about this in the Chicago papers and all the hubub about how high he could jump and how high off the backboard he was touching in practice.

In the same token, I've seen Kobe's block of Eddy Curry, and that looked like at least a 40"+ jump, given how high Kobe's hand was and what we know about his reach (hand was around the top of the backboard square), even though we hear official measurements anywhere from 36-38".

We've had this debate for ages. I remember in high school our vertical was measured as the highest in 3 attempts against a graph on the wall. Usually, it got higher and higher as people pushed themselves more or got more used to jumped against the wall and stretching out. The methods of measurement aren't perfect.

Finally, isn't this thread kind of a my c*ck is bigger than your c*ck thread?

Mike@LG · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject:

TONE · Starting Rotation Joined: 18 Jun 2005 Posts: 407

........... all i know is i never seen anyone jump and dunk on someone as high as Sean Elliot did when he dunked on Vlade .. Dude looked like his head was level with the top of the backboard .

jbone2308 · Star Player Joined: 16 Oct 2001 Posts: 1398

Randy Moss 51? I know that list is wrong but Jordans was 48'' I seen that in his resturant in '96.

stojan · Star Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 1405

a few years ago kobe's standing vertical was 39 inches but his one step was 44 inches whilst i think it was tmac who had a standing vertical of 41 but a a one step of 43 inches. jordan they said had a 45inch and shaq in his prime had 35 inches

also a side note isnt their some draft prospect from next years draft that got a 50 inch vertical, hes a pg not sure of his name.
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Ziggy · Franchise Player Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 12712

There's just no way Jordan's leap was 48". He was 6'8", so a 48" (4 feet) vertical would mean his HEAD would get to 10'8", or 8" above the rim. I've seen a lot of his dunks in his prime, but I've never seen him get even 3 or 4 inches above the rim.

VanK · Sixth Man Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 73

Most of those numbers are pure (bleep). Very few people in the NBA have their standing verticals over 40''. Imagine, Josh Smith, an athletic freak, has a vertical of 39.5''. JR Smith is at 35.5'', Hakim Warrick 38'', Iguodala 34.5'', Nate Robinson 43.5'' ... I can't remember Wade's numbers, but he was in the 35'' area. Those numbers are from the official predraft camp and we can surely say that Kobe was never more athletic than likes of Iguodala and JR Smith (they are both long and 6'7'' with shoes on, which is comparable with Kobe's stats) , who are both fantastic leapers in their own right, let alone someone like Josh Smith. Kobe is a fantastic athlete, but he was always more of a quick athlete than an explosive one - I'm not saying his explosivness wasn't elite, he just isn't/wasn't a freak of nature. He is a very fluid athlete, which is what it counts, and - like someone before said - he doesn't have any weaknesses athleticism-wise.

Mike@LG · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:04 am Post subject:

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Mike@LG · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:21 am Post subject:

^Basketball cards and other various things lie. Yeah, MJ was listed at 6'6", but really, 6'4-3/4" w/o shoes.

Ever look at Pippen and wonder why he looks more than 2" taller than MJ when they stand next together?
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Mike@LG · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:32 am Post subject:

Without shoes?

Shaq 7'1"
Bryant 6'5"
Nate Robinson (predraft listing) 5'7-3/4"
Allen Iverson 6'
LBJ 6'7-1/4" (grown since then)
Magic Johnson 6'8"

Let me just give you a list:
Carmelo Anthony 6'6-1/4"
Chris Bosh 6'10-1/4"
Brian Cook 6'9-1/2"
Darko Milicic 6'11-1/2"
Dwyane Wade 6'3-3/4"
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uberzev · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:39 am Post subject:

So did Kobe grow another inch Mike?
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Mike@LG · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:40 am Post subject:

Yup.
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VanK · Sixth Man Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 73

I bet Larry Bird was 6'9''+ without his shoes on. Standing next to Magic, he looks at least an inch or inch and a half taller than Johnson.

TACH · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:

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I was a year younger than Kobe when he got drafted and I recall the buzz.

IMO many people already knew he was talented. I think many questioned his maturity and whether his body was NBA ready.

West called it the best workout ever.

People have told me Andrew Bynum got the Laker's attention the exact same way. Impressing them trumendously in workouts ...

I bet of Philly had to it all again - they go with Kobe. So do a host of other teams in the draft ..

LTD · Starting Rotation Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 463

No way AI is 6 ft without shoes.