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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:58 pm    Post subject:

Luke even singled out AB during training came for being the best switch defender on the team. Going with MWP was one of those over-thinking, making it rocket science moments.
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AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.


and if someone said AB is a better NBA player than Buddy.....you really can't prove them wrong....and its not like Buddy is 19 years old.
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KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.

One of those guys was the #6 pick and represents the only significant potential building block they have around Davis. The other is a career 12th-man.

Were you calling for Bass to start over Randle last season? Because one of those guys played defense.
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Luke even singled out AB during training came for being the best switch defender on the team. Going with MWP was one of those over-thinking, making it rocket science moments.


Wonder what our record would be if we'd went w/ AB over MWP?
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Luke even singled out AB during training came for being the best switch defender on the team. Going with MWP was one of those over-thinking, making it rocket science moments.


Wonder what our record would be if we'd went w/ AB over MWP?

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adkindo wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.


and if someone said AB is a better NBA player than Buddy.....you really can't prove them wrong....and its not like Buddy is 19 years old.

I'm not a Hield fan, but if Brown is better than him, then Demps is a worse GM than Billy King.
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Luke even singled out AB during training came for being the best switch defender on the team. Going with MWP was one of those over-thinking, making it rocket science moments.


Wonder what our record would be if we'd went w/ AB over MWP?


17-2 at least.
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Luke even singled out AB during training came for being the best switch defender on the team. Going with MWP was one of those over-thinking, making it rocket science moments.


Wonder what our record would be if we'd went w/ AB over MWP?


17-2 at least.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject:

ANTHONY BROWN WITH SEVEN POINTS IN A BLOWOUT. DESTROYER OF WORLDS.


Keeping MWP over AB was a mistake but AB is such a non-factor that it hardly matters. AB would hardly keep this team afloat with Nick out. I guess he'd be nice to have though. Why are we arguing over AB? Silly
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:17 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.

One of those guys was the #6 pick and represents the only significant potential building block they have around Davis. The other is a career 12th-man.

Were you calling for Bass to start over Randle last season? Because one of those guys played defense.


Apples and oranges. AB was perceived as part of the "young core". Bass was good as the veteran off the bench.

The same allowances that were given to Randle should have been given to AB. Instead, they opted for a player who now has more fouls than points. That's essentially the lowest of the low for "veteran leadership". The reality is that MWP should be thanking the Lakers that he's not playing for the Shanghai Sharks right now.

In terms of the win/loss argument, did playing Randle over Bass net extra wins last season? Advanced statistics say Bass contributed to more wins, but that shouldn't matter because it was more about developing Randle. Everyone was on board with that.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:22 pm    Post subject:

KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.

One of those guys was the #6 pick and represents the only significant potential building block they have around Davis. The other is a career 12th-man.

Were you calling for Bass to start over Randle last season? Because one of those guys played defense.


Apples and oranges. AB was perceived as part of the "young core". Bass was good as the veteran off the bench.

The same allowances that were given to Randle should have been given to AB. Instead, they opted for a player who now has more fouls than points. That's essentially the lowest of the low for "veteran leadership". The reality is that MWP should be thanking the Lakers that he's not playing for the Shanghai Sharks right now.

In terms of the win/loss argument, did playing Randle over Bass net extra wins last season? Advanced statistics say Bass contributed to more wins, but that shouldn't matter because it was more about developing Randle.

What does MWP have to do with the younger Hield losing minutes to a fringe NBA player like Brown?
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adkindo wrote:
weird night in NBA...Bucks hammer the Cavs....Magic are beating the Spurs bad....and the Nets have the Clippers in double overtime


According to our Basketball Power Index, there was less than a 1% chance for the Spurs, Clippers and Cavaliers to all lose tonight. They did. From a Vegas perspective, a $100 3-team parlay on the Magic, Nets and Bucks (who beat those 3 teams) would win $20,712.50.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.

One of those guys was the #6 pick and represents the only significant potential building block they have around Davis. The other is a career 12th-man.

Were you calling for Bass to start over Randle last season? Because one of those guys played defense.


Apples and oranges. AB was perceived as part of the "young core". Bass was good as the veteran off the bench.

The same allowances that were given to Randle should have been given to AB. Instead, they opted for a player who now has more fouls than points. That's essentially the lowest of the low for "veteran leadership". The reality is that MWP should be thanking the Lakers that he's not playing for the Shanghai Sharks right now.

In terms of the win/loss argument, did playing Randle over Bass net extra wins last season? Advanced statistics say Bass contributed to more wins, but that shouldn't matter because it was more about developing Randle.

What does MWP have to do with the younger Hield losing minutes to a fringe NBA player like Brown?


Maybe because Hield is shooting historically low percentages for a rookie right now? The Pelicans have won 6 out of their last 10 games. They've found some semblance of success with JRue back. Does Gentry want to shake things up when they are winning?
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KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.

One of those guys was the #6 pick and represents the only significant potential building block they have around Davis. The other is a career 12th-man.

Were you calling for Bass to start over Randle last season? Because one of those guys played defense.


Apples and oranges. AB was perceived as part of the "young core". Bass was good as the veteran off the bench.

The same allowances that were given to Randle should have been given to AB. Instead, they opted for a player who now has more fouls than points. That's essentially the lowest of the low for "veteran leadership". The reality is that MWP should be thanking the Lakers that he's not playing for the Shanghai Sharks right now.

In terms of the win/loss argument, did playing Randle over Bass net extra wins last season? Advanced statistics say Bass contributed to more wins, but that shouldn't matter because it was more about developing Randle.

What does MWP have to do with the younger Hield losing minutes to a fringe NBA player like Brown?


Maybe because Hield is a rookie right now? The Pelicans have won 6 out of their last 10 games. They've found some semblance of success with JRue back. Does Gentry want to shake things up when they are winning?

Gentry doesn't want to shake things up, likely because his job and his boss' job are on the line. But what is their future without Hield at least becoming a solid #3 option?

A: It's first round playoff exits until Davis walks.

I don't understand the inconsistency in your arguments just to defend Brown. You want Zu out there, as I do, because he can't be any worse on defense and his development could be key to the Lakers future. That's exactly why Hield should be out there for the Pels - Brown should play, fine, but he certainly should play a lot less than Hield who putatively has the potential to be a 20ppg scorer.

Look, just because the Lakers should have prioritized youth over the aging corpse of MWP's career doesn't make Brown good. It doesn't make him bad. But his bad performance on the court to date does make him bad.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
MJST wrote:
adkindo wrote:
MJST wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
AB with the ultimate F U to Mitch and Luke. Rub the salt in even more, young fella.


Doubt they care. Means about as much as Lindsey Hunter being a try hard when he'd play us when he was on the Pistons. Everyone else on this team that is actually getting playing time when 3 of the 4 main guys aren't injured is better than him.


because you are included in his message. Didn't you think he was hopeless?


He is not an impact player in the league and he is not a difference maker. Grown men weep because he had a 7 point 4 foul night and act like he'd be a godsend as the 15th guy on the roster only because he no longer has "Lakers" across his chest.

It's the usual "not mine anymore" syndrome that causes fans to overrate players they no longer have, even if the people they have on the roster are better.

They cry about Bazemore and ignore his 37% from the field and 30% three point shooting, when they are the same people that call Deng useless. And they act like Anthony Brown is a godsend when across the last 4 games he's played with the Pelicans he's scored 6 points, and all 6 were in one game, which means that in 3 of his last 4 games with the Pelicans he's had till today he's dropped a truly difference making 0 points whilst getting 11 MPG cause they got no one else.

But he gets 7 points against the Lakers and he's suddenly a difference maker? It's funny to watch just how bad some guys get overrated once they no longer have "Lakers" on their chest. So if they wanna make Anthony Brown the new Chris Douglas-Ebanks more power to them.

The travesty is that Brown was in there for so many minutes while Hield near had a DNP-CD. What the hell was Gentry thinking?


One of those guys plays defense. Playing defense is certainly no travesty.

One of those guys was the #6 pick and represents the only significant potential building block they have around Davis. The other is a career 12th-man.

Were you calling for Bass to start over Randle last season? Because one of those guys played defense.


Apples and oranges. AB was perceived as part of the "young core". Bass was good as the veteran off the bench.

The same allowances that were given to Randle should have been given to AB. Instead, they opted for a player who now has more fouls than points. That's essentially the lowest of the low for "veteran leadership". The reality is that MWP should be thanking the Lakers that he's not playing for the Shanghai Sharks right now.

In terms of the win/loss argument, did playing Randle over Bass net extra wins last season? Advanced statistics say Bass contributed to more wins, but that shouldn't matter because it was more about developing Randle.

What does MWP have to do with the younger Hield losing minutes to a fringe NBA player like Brown?


Maybe because Hield is a rookie right now? The Pelicans have won 6 out of their last 10 games. They've found some semblance of success with JRue back. Does Gentry want to shake things up when they are winning?

Gentry doesn't want to shake things up, likely because his job and his boss' job are on the line. But what is their future without Hield at least becoming a solid #3 option?

A: It's first round playoff exits until Davis walks.

I don't understand the inconsistency in your arguments just to defend Brown. You want Zu out there, as I do, because he can't be any worse on defense and his development could be key to the Lakers future. That's exactly why Hield should be out there for the Pels - Brown should play, fine, but he certainly should play a lot less than Hield who putatively has the potential to be a 20ppg scorer.

Look, just because the Lakers should have prioritized youth over the aging corpse of MWP's career doesn't make Brown good. It doesn't make him bad. But his bad performance on the court to date does make him bad.


I agree with you for the most part, but Hield is playing historically bad for a rookie. His shooting splits are 35%/24%/91%. He's likely benched because his production can be matched by a replacement-level player. I anticipate his minutes will go up as the season goes on, but it's clear he has a lot of work to do. And it's not like Hield is losing minutes to Brown. I think the return of JRue had more to do with it, as AB and Hield have been playing different positions this season.
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sure be nice to have AB with Swaggy's injury...


Huertas and MWP really suck.
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I liked the trapping defense we played in the 2nd half. Too little, too late.
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