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 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:44 pm Post subject: Larry Coon: Three Big Things the New CBA May Fix |
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http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18140856/three-big-things-new-collective-bargaining-agreement-improve-nba
| Quote: | Three big things to watch for
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1. Slowing down the formation of superteams
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The best way to keep a player from leaving in free agency is to lock him up before he can become a free agent. To that end, it looks as if the owners are trying to increase the availability of extensions. Currently an extension can't be signed until the third anniversary of the contract signing. The new rules would lower that to two years. Rookie extensions would see some improvements as well, with two players, rather than only one, eligible to be designated to receive a five-year extension...
2. Making restricted free agency less restrictive
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It appears the new agreement will feature several rule changes aimed at leveling the playing field for restricted free agents. Teams will be able to sign them to offer sheets as early as July 1, while unrestricted free agents will still have to wait several more days until the end of the July moratorium. The window to match an offer will be shortened to 48 hours, and teams will no longer be able to scare off other teams by proclaiming they will match any offer, then wait the entire match period before pulling the trigger....
3. Taking the D-League to the next level
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The sides are making a number of changes to increase the value of the D-League as a true minor league. Some D-League salaries will rise from their current $19,000 -- $26,000 to a much healthier $50,000 -- $75,000.
The league will introduce two-way contracts, in which the player will earn a higher salary when he's with the parent NBA club and less when he's playing for the D-League affiliate. The league also will add two additional roster spots for two-way contracts.
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I like that third one a lot, having two extra spots for two-way contracts with both the parent team and the D league version. Help some of the guys get experience and still easy to call up and fill in later in the season or as needed.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Excellent information. Thanks LC |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Larry Coon: Three Big Things the New CBA May Fix |
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So somebody like Zubac would get less money if he plays in the D-League?
I wonder how it might affect players' willingness to go down. Some players may want a "no d-league" clause in their contract.
This 15+2 format may not help teams to keep somebody like Anthony Brown or RJ Hunter, and that is what teams need/want.
Aside from this, I think the active list should be expanded to 15. After all, if teams are paying 15, or 17 in the future, why can't they play a player under contract?
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Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
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| augus7 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
Not sure how you got that from the OP. It said "new" things coming. Amnesty would not be new and is likely.
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| augus7 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
Who do you want to waive? |
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| LaxT wrote: | | augus7 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
Who do you want to waive? |
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| All of those changes should be good for the league. |
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I don't know if #1 will prevent the formation of super teams. Most of top free agents wait until the end of their deals to explore the market. It may be good for 2nd/3rd tier players and rookies. But superstars, after 6 or 7 years in the same franchise not being a contender, will likely wait for free agency.
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The outsized influence of small market paranoia in this league continues apace. I think all mechanisms that provide the drafting franchise an advantage over the market should be abolished, and players should have much more flexibility to move teams earlier in their careers. Why should DeMarcus Cousins be punished/disincentivized from leaving a terribly run franchise? A first round draft pick is already controlled for the first 8-9 years of their careers - an UFA should have the option to receive equal five-year contracts from all teams that have cap space, thereby putting the onus on all franchises regardless of market size to actually be run competently.
That won't stop the formation of super teams, but neither will more protections for the drafting team, which further limit the freedom of the true revenue generators in the league. |
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| LawyerShawn wrote: | | augus7 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
Not sure how you got that from the OP. It said "new" things coming. Amnesty would not be new and is likely. |
Where did you see it would be likely at?
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | LawyerShawn wrote: | | augus7 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
Not sure how you got that from the OP. It said "new" things coming. Amnesty would not be new and is likely. |
Where did you see it would be likely at? |
It's in all of the articles that absolutely nobody has written. |
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Larry Coon: Three Big Things the New CBA May Fix
To late! They completely botched the league by allowing the huge salary cap increase. That was the only way Durant could run to an already established super-team, making them an uber-super-team! Thanks to the NBA's shortsightedness on this topic, Golden State will more than likely take down the 71 wins in a season record (again) and more importantly, wipe out our 33 game win streak that has stood for 40+ years. Well done NBA!
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The outsized influence of small market paranoia in this league continues apace. I think all mechanisms that provide the drafting franchise an advantage over the market should be abolished, and players should have much more flexibility to move teams earlier in their careers. Why should DeMarcus Cousins be punished/disincentivized from leaving a terribly run franchise? A first round draft pick is already controlled for the first 8-9 years of their careers - an UFA should have the option to receive equal five-year contracts from all teams that have cap space, thereby putting the onus on all franchises regardless of market size to actually be run competently.
That won't stop the formation of super teams, but neither will more protections for the drafting team, which further limit the freedom of the true revenue generators in the league. |
This is not true at all. If a player after their rookie contract is done wants to leave, they are not forced to sign a 5 year or so extension. They can just take a QO for one year and then become an UFA the year after. And with this potential new rule, they can decide that as soon as their 2nd year is done.
It's on the players if they really did want to leave. In the case of Cousins, he made his own bed for choosing to sign a long extension with a mess of a franchise. He could have taken a QO to be a free agent again much sooner. That was his right.
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| Big Game James wrote: | Larry Coon: Three Big Things the New CBA May Fix
To late! They completely botched the league by allowing the huge salary cap increase. That was the only way Durant could run to an already established super-team, making them an uber-super-team! Thanks to the NBA's shortsightedness on this topic, Golden State will more than likely take down the 71 wins in a season record (again) and more importantly, wipe out our 33 game win streak that has stood for 40+ years. Well done NBA! |
It wasn't the NBA's shortsightedness. The league proposed cap smoothing to prevent it from happening. The union rejected it.
KD joining GSW was a confluence of a lot of individual factors -- big cap jump; union rejecting smoothing; guys like Steph signed to very small salaries (comparatively); ease of unloading Bogut; two 3-1 series that went the other way; etc.
No sense in legislating against fluke occurrences. But they did want to tweak it. First, they're trying to improve teams' ability to retain talent -- therefore the rule changes to make extensions more accessible. Second, they're addressing it by reducing the cap room -- building smoothing into the new agreement; higher cap holds for some free agents; and higher amounts for minimum, scale and exception salaries, which reduces cap room. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | LawyerShawn wrote: | | augus7 wrote: | Thanks for the info.
Damn, guess there won't be an amnesty available... |
Not sure how you got that from the OP. It said "new" things coming. Amnesty would not be new and is likely. |
Where did you see it would be likely at? |
It's in all of the articles that absolutely nobody has written. |
No amnesty in the new agreement (unless something changes at the last minute).
Amnesty was there to cushion the impact of big changes to the tax system. No big changes like that, which retroactively affect decisions teams made a year or more prior, under a different system.
An amnesty this year would amount to a "get out of jail free card" for teams that made bad decisions. There's no strong feelings for giving that to teams, especially among the teams that have avoided such bad decisions. |
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| Megaton wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The outsized influence of small market paranoia in this league continues apace. I think all mechanisms that provide the drafting franchise an advantage over the market should be abolished, and players should have much more flexibility to move teams earlier in their careers. Why should DeMarcus Cousins be punished/disincentivized from leaving a terribly run franchise? A first round draft pick is already controlled for the first 8-9 years of their careers - an UFA should have the option to receive equal five-year contracts from all teams that have cap space, thereby putting the onus on all franchises regardless of market size to actually be run competently.
That won't stop the formation of super teams, but neither will more protections for the drafting team, which further limit the freedom of the true revenue generators in the league. |
This is not true at all. If a player after their rookie contract is done wants to leave, they are not forced to sign a 5 year or so extension. They can just take a QO for one year and then become an UFA the year after. And with this potential new rule, they can decide that as soon as their 2nd year is done.
It's on the players if they really did want to leave. In the case of Cousins, he made his own bed for choosing to sign a long extension with a mess of a franchise. He could have taken a QO to be a free agent again much sooner. That was his right. |
Right, and we may see Nerlens Noel go that route if Philly doesn't trade him. But he would have to forego entering free agency for a year (because Philly could match any offers if he's an RFA), which could be a loss of up to $10MM along with a season in his prime, and he doesn't get a guaranteed fifth year on his deal from the team that holds his Bird Rights.
The entire system is incentivized to give drafting teams an advantage by making young players have to leave significant money on the table in order to leave in free agency. So abolish restricted free agency and allow all teams to offer five year deals. Teams still benefit by being able to sign their own free agents above the cap, while players have greater freedom of choice. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Larry Coon: Three Big Things the New CBA May Fix |
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So somebody like Zubac would get less money if he plays in the D-League?
I wonder how it might affect players' willingness to go down. Some players may want a "no d-league" clause in their contract.
This 15+2 format may not help teams to keep somebody like Anthony Brown or RJ Hunter, and that is what teams need/want.
Aside from this, I think the active list should be expanded to 15. After all, if teams are paying 15, or 17 in the future, why can't they play a player under contract? |
Only the two guys on the roster with the two-way contract will get less pay when they go to the D-League. So it won't affect the guys on the rookie contract. Basically the two-way contract will only be taken by guys who aren't good enough to land a traditional contract. |
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| Seriously don't like #1. This is how you get Anthony Davis situations. Players playing out their entire career for incompetent organizations. I think if anything that further incentivizes a player to react extremely and form super teams with guaranteed shots of winning, and it definitely takes power away from players. |
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| levon wrote: | | Seriously don't like #1. This is how you get Anthony Davis situations. Players playing out their entire career for incompetent organizations. I think if anything that further incentivizes a player to react extremely and form super teams with guaranteed shots of winning, and it definitely takes power away from players. |
Not at all. Want to play somewhere else? Don't sign the extension.
Pretty simple. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Seriously don't like #1. This is how you get Anthony Davis situations. Players playing out their entire career for incompetent organizations. I think if anything that further incentivizes a player to react extremely and form super teams with guaranteed shots of winning, and it definitely takes power away from players. |
Not at all. Want to play somewhere else? Don't sign the extension.
Pretty simple. |
Even when they offer you more money and longer years? Imo players shouldn't have to choose between maximizing their income and winning, those should come hand in hand.
The way I see it a small market teams can get a superstar through the draft, never spend copious amounts to surround him with anything, and just keep offering him extensions. Meanwhile that player is destined basically never to win and is the sole person filling the arena. This was Kobe's reality in 05-07. If that's the case, these transcendent superstars in bad organizations should be getting paid double. It's not good for their national exposure, not good for their brand, and ultimately not good for the league.
And it still doesn't instill parity because as you said, a few players might not sign extensions (usually the ones under national spotlight to win) and just form superteams. |
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The difference in money and years are negligible, especially for a young player and can be quickly made up with a new team, so if a star is stuck on a one man team because they keep signing the extensions, that's their fault and they get no sympathy from me.
As for Kobe's situation, that was partly on him for staying and partly on the Lakers, simply because it takes time to re-tool a team. Even then, he didn't exactly suffer.
As for the winning vs. getting paid you seem to be bemoaning, last time I checked, Durant isn't crying about his money. Garnett didn't cry about his on the Celtics. Wade, Lebron and Bosh weren't exactly hurting on the Heat. Sure, lower level all stars might find themselves having to choose between less on a winning team or more on a non contender, but that's because they aren't good enough. That's sports. |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | The difference in money and years are negligible, especially for a young player and can be quickly made up with a new team, so if a star is stuck on a one man team because they keep signing the extensions, that's their fault and they get no sympathy from me.
As for Kobe's situation, that was partly on him for staying and partly on the Lakers, simply because it takes time to re-tool a team. Even then, he didn't exactly suffer.
As for the winning vs. getting paid you seem to be bemoaning, last time I checked, Durant isn't crying about his money. Garnett didn't cry about his on the Celtics. Wade, Lebron and Bosh weren't exactly hurting on the Heat. Sure, lower level all stars might find themselves having to choose between less on a winning team or more on a non contender, but that's because they aren't good enough. That's sports. |
I'm not saying player salaries are too low (although they still probably are, the more money they make the more power to them). I'm saying this relieves the onus on organizations to be good/committed to winning, because they can just keep throwing money at their stars and no one else. If the stars maximize their finances it's their "fault" and they're not "committed to winning". But ultimately the NBA as a product continues to suffer under the guise of "instilling parity" which never happens.
If a player like Durant gets fed up in OKC and goes to one of the top organizations in the league to win after 10 years of toiling around in OKC as his cheap org stays under the luxury tax, he's outright hated. Why? If the NBA wants parity they'll put measures in place to make sure all 30 organizations are competent enough to attract players based on fit and culture, all things being equal. Otherwise it's just tanking and superteams. As long as small market teams can keep their cash cows though, business as usual. |
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| levon wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | The difference in money and years are negligible, especially for a young player and can be quickly made up with a new team, so if a star is stuck on a one man team because they keep signing the extensions, that's their fault and they get no sympathy from me.
As for Kobe's situation, that was partly on him for staying and partly on the Lakers, simply because it takes time to re-tool a team. Even then, he didn't exactly suffer.
As for the winning vs. getting paid you seem to be bemoaning, last time I checked, Durant isn't crying about his money. Garnett didn't cry about his on the Celtics. Wade, Lebron and Bosh weren't exactly hurting on the Heat. Sure, lower level all stars might find themselves having to choose between less on a winning team or more on a non contender, but that's because they aren't good enough. That's sports. |
I'm not saying player salaries are too low (although they still probably are, the more money they make the more power to them). I'm saying this relieves the onus on organizations to be good/committed to winning, because they can just keep throwing money at their stars and no one else. If the stars maximize their finances it's their "fault" and they're not "committed to winning". But ultimately the NBA as a product continues to suffer under the guise of "instilling parity" which never happens.
If a player like Durant gets fed up in OKC and goes to one of the top organizations in the league to win after 10 years of toiling around in OKC as his cheap org stays under the luxury tax, he's outright hated. Why? If the NBA wants parity they'll put measures in place to make sure all 30 organizations are competent enough to attract players based on fit and culture, all things being equal. Otherwise it's just tanking and superteams. As long as small market teams can keep their cash cows though, business as usual. |
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