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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:28 am    Post subject:

Lets put it this way. UCLA has won 1 more national title than USC in the 40+ years since Wooden left. Need I say more?
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Eh. We beat the same Kensucky team last year and didn't even make the tourney towards the end because DaddyBall kept giving crucial and long minutes to his son, who's worse than a turnstile on D and never met a shot he didn't brick. Bryce's severe deficiencies on defense exposed the rest of the team, the horrendous shot selection, and lack of leadership caused them to toil in a funk. Right now Alford is being bailed out by two talents in Ball/Leaf, as well as mercifully less shots for Bryce, but it remains to be seen if that's enough down the stretch.


Here is the typical "blame everything on the Alfords" UCLA fan in his natural habitat LG. Hiding behind a keyboard and trashing a college kid who has had a good career. All while ignoring that they've been in the sweet 16 2/3 years they've been there and winning a pac 12 tournament title. Giving him no credit for recruiting those players who are "bailing" him out or for implementing the system that has allowed them to have a ton of success so far.

Alford's a good coach and his son is a good college player who has hit more big shots at UCLA than anybody I can remember. Now that he's had time to build the roster he wants and implement the type of system he wants your still not going to give him any credit? Not surprising coming from the typical "blame everything on the Alford's" fan but disappointing nonetheless. Quit looking for reasons to hate them and be happy about what they are doing.


Oh look, here's an LG member with nothing to contribute to the discussion other than crying "keyboard warrior". Ben Howland went to 3 straight Final Fours. Look where he is now. So to claim 2 years of Sweet 16's is an accomplishment is laughable. And if you've watched the games, you'd realize, Bryce wouldn't have to play pretend Jordan if he'd play a little defense and tried to overachieve despite his grossly limited athleticism. No doubt, Bryce would make a fine player for some mid-major team, but this is UCLA. There's a degree of success beyond the managed expectations you're trying to acclaim for the program that Wooden built.


The game evolved past Howlands style of coaching and he had years of struggles after the final four runs. UCLA fans haven't given Alford a fair shake and the ridicule his son constantly receives is an embarrassment to the fan base. He's not a PG yet was forced to play PG because nobody else on the roster could. This year he's been allowed to play his natural role and has done well. 2 sweet sixteens isn't anything incredible but it's an accomplishment nonetheless.

I watched the games as well as you but the difference is I understand what is actually going on while you look for reasons to hate a kid that has had a very good career at UCLA. I've had this discussion and it always goes in circles so I'll just leave you with this. Alford had a vision of a high paced showtime type UCLA program and it is starting to come to fruition. Instead of searching for the negatives, be happy about what he's built. It took longer than some expected but with another elite class next year, I think UCLA is about to return to the top of the college basketball world.
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You may have watched the games but don't pretend you actually understand what's going on. Sorry this script has been played before and unlike others, I know when the wolf is in sheep's clothing. Bryce has no business being anything other than a backup and only Alford Apologists would see otherwise. No, the only embarrassments are those who are satisfied with the status quo as if UCLA is some program like New Mexico State or Iowa.


Look dude, Alford was all PAC 12 honorable mention last year so other knowledgeable Bball minds obviously agree that he's not only deserving of playing at UCLA, but believe he's an upper echelon PAC 12 player. I'm not going to go into detail and X and Os of it but Alford makes life easier for everybody else on the floor with him by simply being on the court. Also, you're drastically exaggerating his defensive woes. Hate the Alford's if you want but it's unwarranted.


Relying on the votes of "bball minds" as your argument is laughable especially since they're pretty much looking at his garbage stats. Keep in mind, Kaimi Fairbairn didn't even get 1st team All-Pac 12 despite winning the Lou Groza and being a near unanimous All-American. So that pretty shows how (bleep) voters can be. The guy gets a lot of flack I agree but a lot of it wouldn't appear if he was given the role he should've had, aka bench 3 point shooter.
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Bryce Alford absolutely belongs on the floor for UCLA. He's a career 38% 3 pt shooter and about 83% from the line. Plus he doesn't turn the ball over much. He's played about 35 minutes a game the last 3 years and only averages 2 turnovers the game.

I have no clue why any UCLA fan wouldn't be ecstatic over what Steve Alford has done with that program. They very well could win a national title this year, or next season even if Lonzo doesn't want to come back and play with his brother.

This has been a long road back for UCLA, but they are absolutely back given the talent on the team, in the pipeline, and the coach on the sidelines. What we are seeing this year is heck of lot better basketball than watching Steve Lavin's underachieving roll the ball out act, and Ben Howland's style of taking great talent and making them play ugly basketball.


He doesn't turn it over because once the ball hits him, he chucks it. A career sub-40% shooter belongs? Please. Aaron Holiday has had better performance and he's relegated to the bench.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:24 pm    Post subject:

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Eh. We beat the same Kensucky team last year and didn't even make the tourney towards the end because DaddyBall kept giving crucial and long minutes to his son, who's worse than a turnstile on D and never met a shot he didn't brick. Bryce's severe deficiencies on defense exposed the rest of the team, the horrendous shot selection, and lack of leadership caused them to toil in a funk. Right now Alford is being bailed out by two talents in Ball/Leaf, as well as mercifully less shots for Bryce, but it remains to be seen if that's enough down the stretch.


Here is the typical "blame everything on the Alfords" UCLA fan in his natural habitat LG. Hiding behind a keyboard and trashing a college kid who has had a good career. All while ignoring that they've been in the sweet 16 2/3 years they've been there and winning a pac 12 tournament title. Giving him no credit for recruiting those players who are "bailing" him out or for implementing the system that has allowed them to have a ton of success so far.

Alford's a good coach and his son is a good college player who has hit more big shots at UCLA than anybody I can remember. Now that he's had time to build the roster he wants and implement the type of system he wants your still not going to give him any credit? Not surprising coming from the typical "blame everything on the Alford's" fan but disappointing nonetheless. Quit looking for reasons to hate them and be happy about what they are doing.


Oh look, here's an LG member with nothing to contribute to the discussion other than crying "keyboard warrior". Ben Howland went to 3 straight Final Fours. Look where he is now. So to claim 2 years of Sweet 16's is an accomplishment is laughable. And if you've watched the games, you'd realize, Bryce wouldn't have to play pretend Jordan if he'd play a little defense and tried to overachieve despite his grossly limited athleticism. No doubt, Bryce would make a fine player for some mid-major team, but this is UCLA. There's a degree of success beyond the managed expectations you're trying to acclaim for the program that Wooden built.


The game evolved past Howlands style of coaching and he had years of struggles after the final four runs. UCLA fans haven't given Alford a fair shake and the ridicule his son constantly receives is an embarrassment to the fan base. He's not a PG yet was forced to play PG because nobody else on the roster could. This year he's been allowed to play his natural role and has done well. 2 sweet sixteens isn't anything incredible but it's an accomplishment nonetheless.

I watched the games as well as you but the difference is I understand what is actually going on while you look for reasons to hate a kid that has had a very good career at UCLA. I've had this discussion and it always goes in circles so I'll just leave you with this. Alford had a vision of a high paced showtime type UCLA program and it is starting to come to fruition. Instead of searching for the negatives, be happy about what he's built. It took longer than some expected but with another elite class next year, I think UCLA is about to return to the top of the college basketball world.
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You may have watched the games but don't pretend you actually understand what's going on. Sorry this script has been played before and unlike others, I know when the wolf is in sheep's clothing. Bryce has no business being anything other than a backup and only Alford Apologists would see otherwise. No, the only embarrassments are those who are satisfied with the status quo as if UCLA is some program like New Mexico State or Iowa.


Look dude, Alford was all PAC 12 honorable mention last year so other knowledgeable Bball minds obviously agree that he's not only deserving of playing at UCLA, but believe he's an upper echelon PAC 12 player. I'm not going to go into detail and X and Os of it but Alford makes life easier for everybody else on the floor with him by simply being on the court. Also, you're drastically exaggerating his defensive woes. Hate the Alford's if you want but it's unwarranted.


Relying on the votes of "bball minds" as your argument is laughable especially since they're pretty much looking at his garbage stats. Keep in mind, Kaimi Fairbairn didn't even get 1st team All-Pac 12 despite winning the Lou Groza and being a near unanimous All-American. So that pretty shows how (bleep) voters can be. The guy gets a lot of flack I agree but a lot of it wouldn't appear if he was given the role he should've had, aka bench 3 point shooter.


I could care less what a kickers awards are. Calling my arguments laughable while yours are baseless doesn't prove anything but like I've said, believe what you want.
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Bryce Alford absolutely belongs on the floor for UCLA. He's a career 38% 3 pt shooter and about 83% from the line. Plus he doesn't turn the ball over much. He's played about 35 minutes a game the last 3 years and only averages 2 turnovers the game.

I have no clue why any UCLA fan wouldn't be ecstatic over what Steve Alford has done with that program. They very well could win a national title this year, or next season even if Lonzo doesn't want to come back and play with his brother.

This has been a long road back for UCLA, but they are absolutely back given the talent on the team, in the pipeline, and the coach on the sidelines. What we are seeing this year is heck of lot better basketball than watching Steve Lavin's underachieving roll the ball out act, and Ben Howland's style of taking great talent and making them play ugly basketball.


He doesn't turn it over because once the ball hits him, he chucks it. A career sub-40% shooter belongs? Please. Aaron Holiday has had better performance and he's relegated to the bench.


On his career he averages 4.1 assists and 1.9 TO per game...
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rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Eh. We beat the same Kensucky team last year and didn't even make the tourney towards the end because DaddyBall kept giving crucial and long minutes to his son, who's worse than a turnstile on D and never met a shot he didn't brick. Bryce's severe deficiencies on defense exposed the rest of the team, the horrendous shot selection, and lack of leadership caused them to toil in a funk. Right now Alford is being bailed out by two talents in Ball/Leaf, as well as mercifully less shots for Bryce, but it remains to be seen if that's enough down the stretch.


Here is the typical "blame everything on the Alfords" UCLA fan in his natural habitat LG. Hiding behind a keyboard and trashing a college kid who has had a good career. All while ignoring that they've been in the sweet 16 2/3 years they've been there and winning a pac 12 tournament title. Giving him no credit for recruiting those players who are "bailing" him out or for implementing the system that has allowed them to have a ton of success so far.

Alford's a good coach and his son is a good college player who has hit more big shots at UCLA than anybody I can remember. Now that he's had time to build the roster he wants and implement the type of system he wants your still not going to give him any credit? Not surprising coming from the typical "blame everything on the Alford's" fan but disappointing nonetheless. Quit looking for reasons to hate them and be happy about what they are doing.


Oh look, here's an LG member with nothing to contribute to the discussion other than crying "keyboard warrior". Ben Howland went to 3 straight Final Fours. Look where he is now. So to claim 2 years of Sweet 16's is an accomplishment is laughable. And if you've watched the games, you'd realize, Bryce wouldn't have to play pretend Jordan if he'd play a little defense and tried to overachieve despite his grossly limited athleticism. No doubt, Bryce would make a fine player for some mid-major team, but this is UCLA. There's a degree of success beyond the managed expectations you're trying to acclaim for the program that Wooden built.


The game evolved past Howlands style of coaching and he had years of struggles after the final four runs. UCLA fans haven't given Alford a fair shake and the ridicule his son constantly receives is an embarrassment to the fan base. He's not a PG yet was forced to play PG because nobody else on the roster could. This year he's been allowed to play his natural role and has done well. 2 sweet sixteens isn't anything incredible but it's an accomplishment nonetheless.

I watched the games as well as you but the difference is I understand what is actually going on while you look for reasons to hate a kid that has had a very good career at UCLA. I've had this discussion and it always goes in circles so I'll just leave you with this. Alford had a vision of a high paced showtime type UCLA program and it is starting to come to fruition. Instead of searching for the negatives, be happy about what he's built. It took longer than some expected but with another elite class next year, I think UCLA is about to return to the top of the college basketball world.
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You may have watched the games but don't pretend you actually understand what's going on. Sorry this script has been played before and unlike others, I know when the wolf is in sheep's clothing. Bryce has no business being anything other than a backup and only Alford Apologists would see otherwise. No, the only embarrassments are those who are satisfied with the status quo as if UCLA is some program like New Mexico State or Iowa.


Look dude, Alford was all PAC 12 honorable mention last year so other knowledgeable Bball minds obviously agree that he's not only deserving of playing at UCLA, but believe he's an upper echelon PAC 12 player. I'm not going to go into detail and X and Os of it but Alford makes life easier for everybody else on the floor with him by simply being on the court. Also, you're drastically exaggerating his defensive woes. Hate the Alford's if you want but it's unwarranted.


Relying on the votes of "bball minds" as your argument is laughable especially since they're pretty much looking at his garbage stats. Keep in mind, Kaimi Fairbairn didn't even get 1st team All-Pac 12 despite winning the Lou Groza and being a near unanimous All-American. So that pretty shows how (bleep) voters can be. The guy gets a lot of flack I agree but a lot of it wouldn't appear if he was given the role he should've had, aka bench 3 point shooter.


I could care less what a kickers awards are. Calling my arguments laughable while yours are baseless doesn't prove anything but like I've said, believe what you want.


It just goes to show that voters aren't infallible. But clearly that went over your head.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:11 pm    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Eh. We beat the same Kensucky team last year and didn't even make the tourney towards the end because DaddyBall kept giving crucial and long minutes to his son, who's worse than a turnstile on D and never met a shot he didn't brick. Bryce's severe deficiencies on defense exposed the rest of the team, the horrendous shot selection, and lack of leadership caused them to toil in a funk. Right now Alford is being bailed out by two talents in Ball/Leaf, as well as mercifully less shots for Bryce, but it remains to be seen if that's enough down the stretch.


Here is the typical "blame everything on the Alfords" UCLA fan in his natural habitat LG. Hiding behind a keyboard and trashing a college kid who has had a good career. All while ignoring that they've been in the sweet 16 2/3 years they've been there and winning a pac 12 tournament title. Giving him no credit for recruiting those players who are "bailing" him out or for implementing the system that has allowed them to have a ton of success so far.

Alford's a good coach and his son is a good college player who has hit more big shots at UCLA than anybody I can remember. Now that he's had time to build the roster he wants and implement the type of system he wants your still not going to give him any credit? Not surprising coming from the typical "blame everything on the Alford's" fan but disappointing nonetheless. Quit looking for reasons to hate them and be happy about what they are doing.


Oh look, here's an LG member with nothing to contribute to the discussion other than crying "keyboard warrior". Ben Howland went to 3 straight Final Fours. Look where he is now. So to claim 2 years of Sweet 16's is an accomplishment is laughable. And if you've watched the games, you'd realize, Bryce wouldn't have to play pretend Jordan if he'd play a little defense and tried to overachieve despite his grossly limited athleticism. No doubt, Bryce would make a fine player for some mid-major team, but this is UCLA. There's a degree of success beyond the managed expectations you're trying to acclaim for the program that Wooden built.


The game evolved past Howlands style of coaching and he had years of struggles after the final four runs. UCLA fans haven't given Alford a fair shake and the ridicule his son constantly receives is an embarrassment to the fan base. He's not a PG yet was forced to play PG because nobody else on the roster could. This year he's been allowed to play his natural role and has done well. 2 sweet sixteens isn't anything incredible but it's an accomplishment nonetheless.

I watched the games as well as you but the difference is I understand what is actually going on while you look for reasons to hate a kid that has had a very good career at UCLA. I've had this discussion and it always goes in circles so I'll just leave you with this. Alford had a vision of a high paced showtime type UCLA program and it is starting to come to fruition. Instead of searching for the negatives, be happy about what he's built. It took longer than some expected but with another elite class next year, I think UCLA is about to return to the top of the college basketball world.
.

You may have watched the games but don't pretend you actually understand what's going on. Sorry this script has been played before and unlike others, I know when the wolf is in sheep's clothing. Bryce has no business being anything other than a backup and only Alford Apologists would see otherwise. No, the only embarrassments are those who are satisfied with the status quo as if UCLA is some program like New Mexico State or Iowa.


Look dude, Alford was all PAC 12 honorable mention last year so other knowledgeable Bball minds obviously agree that he's not only deserving of playing at UCLA, but believe he's an upper echelon PAC 12 player. I'm not going to go into detail and X and Os of it but Alford makes life easier for everybody else on the floor with him by simply being on the court. Also, you're drastically exaggerating his defensive woes. Hate the Alford's if you want but it's unwarranted.


Relying on the votes of "bball minds" as your argument is laughable especially since they're pretty much looking at his garbage stats. Keep in mind, Kaimi Fairbairn didn't even get 1st team All-Pac 12 despite winning the Lou Groza and being a near unanimous All-American. So that pretty shows how (bleep) voters can be. The guy gets a lot of flack I agree but a lot of it wouldn't appear if he was given the role he should've had, aka bench 3 point shooter.


I could care less what a kickers awards are. Calling my arguments laughable while yours are baseless doesn't prove anything but like I've said, believe what you want.


It just goes to show that voters aren't infallible. But clearly that went over your head.


If you wanna debate basketball, let's do it. But check the keyboard warrior attitude and insults at the door.
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BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Eh. We beat the same Kensucky team last year and didn't even make the tourney towards the end because DaddyBall kept giving crucial and long minutes to his son, who's worse than a turnstile on D and never met a shot he didn't brick. Bryce's severe deficiencies on defense exposed the rest of the team, the horrendous shot selection, and lack of leadership caused them to toil in a funk. Right now Alford is being bailed out by two talents in Ball/Leaf, as well as mercifully less shots for Bryce, but it remains to be seen if that's enough down the stretch.


Here is the typical "blame everything on the Alfords" UCLA fan in his natural habitat LG. Hiding behind a keyboard and trashing a college kid who has had a good career. All while ignoring that they've been in the sweet 16 2/3 years they've been there and winning a pac 12 tournament title. Giving him no credit for recruiting those players who are "bailing" him out or for implementing the system that has allowed them to have a ton of success so far.

Alford's a good coach and his son is a good college player who has hit more big shots at UCLA than anybody I can remember. Now that he's had time to build the roster he wants and implement the type of system he wants your still not going to give him any credit? Not surprising coming from the typical "blame everything on the Alford's" fan but disappointing nonetheless. Quit looking for reasons to hate them and be happy about what they are doing.


Oh look, here's an LG member with nothing to contribute to the discussion other than crying "keyboard warrior". Ben Howland went to 3 straight Final Fours. Look where he is now. So to claim 2 years of Sweet 16's is an accomplishment is laughable. And if you've watched the games, you'd realize, Bryce wouldn't have to play pretend Jordan if he'd play a little defense and tried to overachieve despite his grossly limited athleticism. No doubt, Bryce would make a fine player for some mid-major team, but this is UCLA. There's a degree of success beyond the managed expectations you're trying to acclaim for the program that Wooden built.


The game evolved past Howlands style of coaching and he had years of struggles after the final four runs. UCLA fans haven't given Alford a fair shake and the ridicule his son constantly receives is an embarrassment to the fan base. He's not a PG yet was forced to play PG because nobody else on the roster could. This year he's been allowed to play his natural role and has done well. 2 sweet sixteens isn't anything incredible but it's an accomplishment nonetheless.

I watched the games as well as you but the difference is I understand what is actually going on while you look for reasons to hate a kid that has had a very good career at UCLA. I've had this discussion and it always goes in circles so I'll just leave you with this. Alford had a vision of a high paced showtime type UCLA program and it is starting to come to fruition. Instead of searching for the negatives, be happy about what he's built. It took longer than some expected but with another elite class next year, I think UCLA is about to return to the top of the college basketball world.
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You may have watched the games but don't pretend you actually understand what's going on. Sorry this script has been played before and unlike others, I know when the wolf is in sheep's clothing. Bryce has no business being anything other than a backup and only Alford Apologists would see otherwise. No, the only embarrassments are those who are satisfied with the status quo as if UCLA is some program like New Mexico State or Iowa.


Look dude, Alford was all PAC 12 honorable mention last year so other knowledgeable Bball minds obviously agree that he's not only deserving of playing at UCLA, but believe he's an upper echelon PAC 12 player. I'm not going to go into detail and X and Os of it but Alford makes life easier for everybody else on the floor with him by simply being on the court. Also, you're drastically exaggerating his defensive woes. Hate the Alford's if you want but it's unwarranted.


Relying on the votes of "bball minds" as your argument is laughable especially since they're pretty much looking at his garbage stats. Keep in mind, Kaimi Fairbairn didn't even get 1st team All-Pac 12 despite winning the Lou Groza and being a near unanimous All-American. So that pretty shows how (bleep) voters can be. The guy gets a lot of flack I agree but a lot of it wouldn't appear if he was given the role he should've had, aka bench 3 point shooter.


I could care less what a kickers awards are. Calling my arguments laughable while yours are baseless doesn't prove anything but like I've said, believe what you want.


It just goes to show that voters aren't infallible. But clearly that went over your head.


If you wanna debate basketball, let's do it. But check the keyboard warrior attitude and insults at the door.


You first.
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UCLA is playing the best brand of basketball right now offensively. Very entertaining with the ball moving constantly and 6 different players on the squad right now can hit 20 points in any given game. They still need to work on the defensive end, but hopefully playing together will shore that up. This is probably the most exciting team to watch since 1995 when they won it all.

I've been a critic of the Alfords for a number of reasons, so it's only fair to give them credit when it's due. Alford has finally shown the brand of basketball that UCLA should be playing offensively. He still needs to work on their defense though, but no complaints on probably the most unselfish team today. Bryce is finally in the role he should have been in as a spot up shooter. He never had the vision to be a PG. They have another good class coming in and they still don't even have Prince Ali back yet. He may be an important player for them when all is said and done. They could use another athletic guard so hopefully he comes back healthy and can contribute.

As for Leaf, and the OP mentioning him being the best PF he's seen since the '70s. I'd disagree and say Ed O'Bannon in 1995 was the best PF they've had in a while, although Kevin Love talent-wise was better. He just did everything well for them: leadership, shooting, rebounding, defense, transition. He just didn't have an NBA body and that ACL injury his freshmen robbed a lot of his athleticism. As for Leaf, he's got a great basketball IQ and is deceptively athletic, but he doesn't have the NBA strength right now and could stand to stay another year to develop it to be a top 5 pick potentially next season.
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Lets put it this way. UCLA has won 1 more national title than USC in the 40+ years since Wooden left. Need I say more?


I would like to think that UCLA fans would consider their team up there with the likes of Duke, Kentucky, schools with historically good basketball programs....USC has never fielded decent or good basketball teams only until recently, heck they didn't even have a gym of their own until a decade ago.
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Btw I do think this UCLA team is for real and maybe UCLA will finally win it all again. The Alford hate is weird.

I just think it's weird how some UCLA fans seem to forget the team has one NCAA championship in over 40 years. Wooden was in the distant past. That era passed by a LONG time ago. It's not 1972 anymore.

How many Final Fours has UCLA made besides the ones with Howland since 1975? There is 95 and the one with Larry Brown (who didn't win any national titles at UCLA). Any others?


2006, 2007, 2008....when they got close but couldn't seal the deal especially when they faced Florida 2 out of 3 years.
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Btw I do think this UCLA team is for real and maybe UCLA will finally win it all again. The Alford hate is weird.

I just think it's weird how some UCLA fans seem to forget the team has one NCAA championship in over 40 years. Wooden was in the distant past. That era passed by a LONG time ago. It's not 1972 anymore.

How many Final Fours has UCLA made besides the ones with Howland since 1975? There is 95 and the one with Larry Brown (who didn't win any national titles at UCLA). Any others?


2006, 2007, 2008....when they got close but couldn't seal the deal especially when they faced Florida 2 out of 3 years.


I said besides the ones with Howland. Howland was coaching in those years.

So that's it? Just 5 times since Wooden and only twice when Howland wasn't coaching?
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Lets put it this way. UCLA has won 1 more national title than USC in the 40+ years since Wooden left. Need I say more?


I would like to think that UCLA fans would consider their team up there with the likes of Duke, Kentucky, schools with historically good basketball programs....USC has never fielded decent or good basketball teams only until recently, heck they didn't even have a gym of their own until a decade ago.


UCLA fans act like they are way above those programs and seem to hate on every coach they have had since Wooden. I'm just tired of seeing that type of arrogance when the school hasn't lived up to those unrealistic expectations. They used to even hate on Wooden if they lost a single game or if the team didn't score 100 points in a game.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:40 pm    Post subject:

Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:31 pm    Post subject:

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Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


Reminds me when they had Westbrook and Love on the team nearly a decade ago.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:50 pm    Post subject:

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UCLA fans act like they are way above those programs and seem to hate on every coach they have had since Wooden. I'm just tired of seeing that type of arrogance when the school hasn't lived up to those unrealistic expectations. They used to even hate on Wooden if they lost a single game or if the team didn't score 100 points in a game.


That's a general misconception of the UCLA fans that's more media-generated hypocritical BS. Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina fans act crazy and suddenly it's "passion" but UCLA fans are "arrogant" and "unrealistic". Pffft... UCLA fans want to see the program doing the right things: keep the top local talent, play solid well-coached basketball, and don't get into trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:51 pm    Post subject:

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Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


The best part of the game was when the commentator ragged on the Clippers, saying how Doc Rivers is a whiner, Chris Paul is a whiner, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:47 am    Post subject:

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Lets put it this way. UCLA has won 1 more national title than USC in the 40+ years since Wooden left. Need I say more?


I would like to think that UCLA fans would consider their team up there with the likes of Duke, Kentucky, schools with historically good basketball programs
....USC has never fielded decent or good basketball teams only until recently, heck they didn't even have a gym of their own until a decade ago.


Sure, decades ago. They have had a few really good teams since, but their days of being in that company are long gone. That isn't to say that they can't return, though. Just that today no one puts them in the company of the Dukes and Kentuckys of the world.
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UCLA fans act like they are way above those programs and seem to hate on every coach they have had since Wooden. I'm just tired of seeing that type of arrogance when the school hasn't lived up to those unrealistic expectations. They used to even hate on Wooden if they lost a single game or if the team didn't score 100 points in a game.


That's a general misconception of the UCLA fans that's more media-generated hypocritical BS. Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina fans act crazy and suddenly it's "passion" but UCLA fans are "arrogant" and "unrealistic". Pffft... UCLA fans want to see the program doing the right things: keep the top local talent, play solid well-coached basketball, and don't get into trouble.


All of those teams have won titles since 95. I don't feel that UCLA has usually been much of a threat to win a national title that often in the last 21 years. From 95 to maybe 97, and in the three Final 4 years they were a serious contender. And even in those years they were a number 1 seed in the tournament only twice.

UCLA has gotten a 1 seed in the tournament only once after 1995. I constantly see Duke, Kentucky and Kansas get seeded number 1. UCLA has had a lot of pretty good teams that could make the Sweet 16, but those were just pretty good teams, not great teams.

FWIW, I think Steve Alford is a very underrated coach and would not be surprised to see him have a lot of success at UCLA, including winning national titles. I was really surprised at how good his New Mexico teams were and if he could win as much as he did there, it's really interesting to see what he can do at UCLA, especially now that UCLA is relevant again.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:18 pm    Post subject:

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Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


But conisidering where the Lakers draft this upcoming offseason, he isn't acquirable.

You really think he's a Top 3 pick?

I don't.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:22 pm    Post subject:

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Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


But conisidering where the Lakers draft this upcoming offseason, he isn't acquirable.

You really think he's a Top 3 pick?

I don't.
I''m not familiar with enough college players to know who will go where in the next draft. I just like his skill set, which will get much better. Whether he's a top 3 or not, I think his ceiling is extremely high. In a year or 2 when his body matures and his abilities have grown , I'm guessing we won't see why he shouldn't have been at worst a #2.
He won't be the nations leading scorer because his team is full of options but there's no doubt in my mind he can score with the best of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:00 am    Post subject:

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lakersboy wrote:
Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


But conisidering where the Lakers draft this upcoming offseason, he isn't acquirable.

You really think he's a Top 3 pick?

I don't.
I''m not familiar with enough college players to know who will go where in the next draft. I just like his skill set, which will get much better. Whether he's a top 3 or not, I think his ceiling is extremely high. In a year or 2 when his body matures and his abilities have grown , I'm guessing we won't see why he shouldn't have been at worst a #2.
He won't be the nations leading scorer because his team is full of options but there's no doubt in my mind he can score with the best of them.


Well, the Lakers aren't in the lottery unless they get Top 3.

If you're this excited about Leaf, I can only imagine how much more it should be fore Lonzo Ball, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum, and Lauri Markkanen.
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Mike@LG wrote:
lakersboy wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
lakersboy wrote:
Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


But conisidering where the Lakers draft this upcoming offseason, he isn't acquirable.

You really think he's a Top 3 pick?

I don't.
I''m not familiar with enough college players to know who will go where in the next draft. I just like his skill set, which will get much better. Whether he's a top 3 or not, I think his ceiling is extremely high. In a year or 2 when his body matures and his abilities have grown , I'm guessing we won't see why he shouldn't have been at worst a #2.
He won't be the nations leading scorer because his team is full of options but there's no doubt in my mind he can score with the best of them.


Well, the Lakers aren't in the lottery unless they get Top 3.

If you're this excited about Leaf, I can only imagine how much more it should be fore Lonzo Ball, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum, and Lauri Markkanen.


I don't think you can just dismiss Leaf when talking about the elite freshman. If he declares for the draft and isn't selected in the lottery, many teams will have made a mistake.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:14 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
lakersboy wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
lakersboy wrote:
Game 10 against Michgan:
T.J. Leaf 21 on 8-11.

Balanced shot distribution limits his offense.

The touch on his shots amazes me and reminds me of the type of automatic shooters UCLA hasn't had since the championship 70's.

The guy started the game shooting 67% on inside, mid range and outside shots. He shot inside mid range and outside and shot 73%. The only people who maintain that type of % dunk or shoot layups 80% of the time. We're seeing something really special.

ANIGBOGU- 17 y/o 6' 10" pogo stick, strong finisher, backup center who erases shots (officially 4- I counted 5) and makes guys think twice about coming into the paint. Excellent backup.

Pauley Pavillion is starting to resemble the Lakers' courtside with stars there watching showtime.


But conisidering where the Lakers draft this upcoming offseason, he isn't acquirable.

You really think he's a Top 3 pick?

I don't.
I''m not familiar with enough college players to know who will go where in the next draft. I just like his skill set, which will get much better. Whether he's a top 3 or not, I think his ceiling is extremely high. In a year or 2 when his body matures and his abilities have grown , I'm guessing we won't see why he shouldn't have been at worst a #2.
He won't be the nations leading scorer because his team is full of options but there's no doubt in my mind he can score with the best of them.


Well, the Lakers aren't in the lottery unless they get Top 3.

If you're this excited about Leaf, I can only imagine how much more it should be fore Lonzo Ball, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum, and Lauri Markkanen.
I've seen Ball and Leaf multiple times now. Each time imo, Leaf has outplayed/played better than Ball, although they are both valuable. No way I'd automatically draft Ball ahead of him. Ball's low shot release will cause him difficulties in the NBA. If he's on par with the other guys, no way they're ahead of Leaf. I've seen Jackson and think he's good, but not ahead of Leaf. Leaf's well rounded offensive game will definitely translate at the next level.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:14 pm    Post subject:

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He's a great player but isn't better than Love was in college. He's underrated at this point though. Balls getting most of the attention but Leaf is clearly one of the two best players on the team.
Love probably had the bigger reputation but what he actually did was limited to the boards and inside on offense.

Love didn't have a reliable outside shot in college and never has been known for ball handling. He didn't play with a lot of scorers in a high scoring offense. His strength was rebounding and inside scoring.

Leaf is standing out while teammates are getting theirs. His handles and defense are far better than Love's and his rebounding is strong and on par. When you mix in his ability to blow by a man off the dribble, spin and go over a smaller post player to dunk (he was fouled by a help defender), and finish nicely around the rim without just shooting a jump hook, the eye test tells me I never saw freshman Love play on the same level.

Leaf is clearly the the better athlete and the only thing love had the advantage in was outlet passing.

Freshman Kevin Love wasn't just limited to inside offense, though he was elite scoring in the paint - he averaged the same number of 3FGA per40 as TJ Leaf and knocked them down at a respectable 35% clip. Their overall stats are pretty similar, actually, but TJ is hitting a blistering (unsustainable?) 50% from three, while Love got to the FT line a lot more. But Love was putting up his numbers on a much, much slower team with far fewer possessions - 66.7 in 2007-08 to 79.6 this year - and he was a bit better defender than Leaf, albeit surrounded by much better defensive talent.
I call 35% pro 3 pt shooting respectable but Love was shooting from 19' 9", 3 ft closer than pros so that's not so impressive. Leaf is shooting 1 foot further than Love did (20' 9").

-11 games in and with almost 20% of Leaf's shots from 3, he's still shooting 68% overall because he's making 54% of them. When I watch his shooting style and success, nothing about his shot appears to be streaky/sometimes hot/sometimes cold. Imo, his 3 pt shooting is sustainable.

-As for Love doing the same thing in a slower offense, Leaf has more shooters in an offense with many more capable and efficent scorers.

-As much as I liked Love at UCLA, I never got the impression he was a great defender. It appears Leaf could use more muscle, but I always get the impression that he's playing strong inside on defense and holding his own. I'll keep watching to see more, but I think Leaf is the better defender when I see how poor of a defender Love is right now.
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