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DaggerInTheHeart
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 Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: Trade idea ( Odom for Richard Jefferson ) |
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Lakers Trade:
Lamar Odom
1st round pick ( MIA )
Filler/ McKie?
NJ Trades:
Richard Jefferson
Would you guys do this trade? |
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CrimsonLaker
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| no. The idea has merit, but I think Lamar is a better all around player. I still think Kobe/Lamar are going to be an awesome duo sooner than later. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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in a heart beat.
Defends better
Plays off the ball better
Way more aggressive
Plays well next 1 and or 2 superstars
boards and scores well
Hustles
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Can't see why NJ does such a thing.
Jefferson doesn't need to have the ball in his hands to contribute.
Lamar does else he spectates.
Who would you prefer to handle the ball for your team? Lamar or Jason Kidd? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| NJ would laugh |
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Narziss
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lakers and their fans might but there's no way NJ would. They're winning. He's contributing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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This is a no-brainer decision... unfortunately for both teams.
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kobekillinu2nite
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Why wouldnt NJ do it? It'd give them a lil' more of a front line with a dominant rebounder and someone who can play 4 spots on the court. They have no frontline. This would benefit the Nets |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Richard Jefferson is one of the most significant reasons they are successful this year. He provides one way or the other every night. All Lamar does is create doubt and question marks. Why trade away one of the better players in the East that helps make your squad a winning team for a guy that's never lived up to his potential? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| kobekillinu2nite wrote: | | Why wouldnt NJ do it? It'd give them a lil' more of a front line with a dominant rebounder and someone who can play 4 spots on the court. They have no frontline. This would benefit the Nets |
Also, RJ and Vince are fantastic trade assets. What NJ needs is a rugged beast in the paint to swat shots, play tough interior D, rebound and provide consistent post scoring. Odom rebounds well, but none of the others are real strengths of his (although he'd be a bit better at all of these in the east).
I don't think they would waste RJ for someone who could possibly be a better fit when a) things are going well now, and b) Odom doesn't fit the ideal profile of what they're looking for. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| bounty wrote: | in a heart beat.
Defends better
Plays off the ball better
Way more aggressive
Plays well next 1 and or 2 superstars
boards and scores well
Hustles |
I co-sign...  |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Narziss wrote: | | The Lakers and their fans might but there's no way NJ would. They're winning. He's contributing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
I think you are overstating New Jersey. They are currently 26-21 and 5-5 in their last 10 games. And that is while playing in the weakest division in the NBA. My guess is that they will probably lose in the first round and definitely lose in the second round to Miami.
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| I wouldn't make this trade and here's why: Jason Kidd. Look at Kenyon Martin. His last season in NJ he was averaging near 17-10. His first season in Denver he dropped to 15-7, this year he's down to 13-6. This is the Jason Kidd corollary. JK makes players better, maybe even playing at their best. You're not going to get the Richard Jefferson of New Jersey if he comes here. He's got one of the all-time best playmakers feeding him and he's got Vince Carter to take defensive attention away. RJ would be good but not great for the Lakers, Odom on the other hand would probably become a superstar next to Kidd and Vince. This trade would be great for the Nets and bad for us. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| no, no, no, wouldnt trade lamar for a one dimensional player like jefferson |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the idea but I don't think New Jersey would go for it. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | I wouldn't make this trade and here's why: Jason Kidd. Look at Kenyon Martin. His last season in NJ he was averaging near 17-10. His first season in Denver he dropped to 15-7, this year he's down to 13-6. This is the Jason Kidd corollary. JK makes players better, maybe even playing at their best. You're not going to get the Richard Jefferson of New Jersey if he comes here. He's got one of the all-time best playmakers feeding him and he's got Vince Carter to take defensive attention away. RJ would be good but not great for the Lakers, Odom on the other hand would probably become a superstar next to Kidd and Vince. This trade would be great for the Nets and bad for us. |
Way to go! Put the haters back in the mud!
Lamar Odom
Los Angeles Lakers
Position: F
Height: 6-10
2005-06 Statistics
PPG 13.9
RPG 9.4
APG 5.3
SPG .91
BPG .89
FG% .451
FT% .680
3P% .328
MPG 39.2
Richard Jefferson
New Jersey Nets
Position: F-G
Height: 6-7 Weight: 225
2005-06 Statistics
PPG 19.2
RPG 7.1
APG 4.1
SPG .77
BPG .30
FG% .494
FT% .783
3P% .307
MPG 39.2
If you don't think New Jersey wouldn't think about this deal you're high. In the east Odom did well. You take him out of the initiator position with his skill set level and put him in a conventional offensive system and the differance would be clear to those who knew what was going on.
That 6pt margin of differance between these two players would dissapear quickly and that is all that jefferson has on LO to beggin with...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The only SF I would trade Odom for are AK-47, The Matrix, Ron Artest, and Rashard Lewis. |
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LakerFan4L
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| loyola66 wrote: | | no, no, no, wouldnt trade lamar for a one dimensional player like jefferson |
So much for your credibility.
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | The only SF I would trade Odom for are AK-47, The Matrix, Ron Artest, and Rashard Lewis. |
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| LakerFan4L wrote: | | loyola66 wrote: | | no, no, no, wouldnt trade lamar for a one dimensional player like jefferson |
So much for your credibility. |
Who appointed you to be in charged of handing out credibility awards? He at least made a statement of merrit. Jefferson is one dimensional. Can you show otherwise?
How about putting Jefferson in LO's place on the Laker squad to handle LO's same duties?
Yeah, right. You guys kill me....
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| LakerFan4L wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | The only SF I would trade Odom for are AK-47, The Matrix, Ron Artest, and Rashard Lewis. |
:roll: |
This has got to be "40point machines" sister....
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | I wouldn't make this trade and here's why: Jason Kidd. Look at Kenyon Martin. His last season in NJ he was averaging near 17-10. His first season in Denver he dropped to 15-7, this year he's down to 13-6. This is the Jason Kidd corollary. JK makes players better, maybe even playing at their best. You're not going to get the Richard Jefferson of New Jersey if he comes here. He's got one of the all-time best playmakers feeding him and he's got Vince Carter to take defensive attention away. RJ would be good but not great for the Lakers, Odom on the other hand would probably become a superstar next to Kidd and Vince. This trade would be great for the Nets and bad for us. |
Way to go! Put the haters back in the mud!
Lamar Odom
Los Angeles Lakers
Position: F
Height: 6-10
2005-06 Statistics
PPG 13.9
RPG 9.4
APG 5.3
SPG .91
BPG .89
FG% .451
FT% .680
3P% .328
MPG 39.2
Richard Jefferson
New Jersey Nets
Position: F-G
Height: 6-7 Weight: 225
2005-06 Statistics
PPG 19.2
RPG 7.1
APG 4.1
SPG .77
BPG .30
FG% .494
FT% .783
3P% .307
MPG 39.2
If you don't think New Jersey wouldn't think about this deal you're high. In the east Odom did well. You take him out of the initiator position with his skill set level and put him in a conventional offensive system and the differance would be clear to those who knew what was going on.
That 6pt margin of differance between these two players would dissapear quickly and that is all that jefferson has on LO to beggin with... |
Also LO would be a 3rd/4th option there allowing him to occasionally show up. Kristic would surpass him in a game or 2. Another quote belittling LO's effectivness(bolded)
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | LakerFan4L wrote: | | loyola66 wrote: | | no, no, no, wouldnt trade lamar for a one dimensional player like jefferson |
So much for your credibility. |
Who appointed you to be in charged of handing out credibility awards? He at least made a statement of merrit. Jefferson is one dimensional. Can you show otherwise?
How about putting Jefferson in LO's place on the Laker squad to handle LO's same duties?
Yeah, right. You guys kill me.... |
Compare his #'s to LO. RJ has to fight with VC, JK, and Kristic to get those #'s. LO was awarded 2nd option and still is fumbling. Watch RJ play defenses and then watch LO. LO is the 1 dimensional guy. RB's and what. In regards to handling LO's duties. Look at our rebound comparisons when he was out. Also pay attention to how his initiator duties are starting to become fewer and fewer. RJ would thrive having the opportunities playing next to a guy who gets triple teamed
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| kobekillinu2nite wrote: | | Why wouldnt NJ do it? It'd give them a lil' more of a front line with a dominant rebounder and someone who can play 4 spots on the court. They have no frontline. This would benefit the Nets |
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