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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject:

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Randle is 17/10/4 with 1 TO vs Porzingis tonight on 7/12 shooting


I guess defense doesn't matter to you, considering Porzingis altered nearly every shot in the paint every minute he was in. Also Porzingis full statline, not just his shooting line is 26/12/2/7 with 1 TO.

Not trying to pick on Randle, but the comparison is horrible.


He wasn't comparing. He's saying Randle did all that while also guarding Porgingod.


My apologies then, hard to read the context off a one liner.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject:

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Another stinker from Ingram.


He hit the rookie wall even before he started playing his first game.


Stop. What were you doing at 19? I was in a terrible band, doing alot of illegal substances and wasting my parent's college money. Imagine if I was put on the board of a Fortune 500 company at that time because I was drafted in some type of IQ/Potential draft. I would have been a disaster.

Yes, watching Porzingis have that game while our young guys were both 1/8 with 3 point stings a bit...but that NY team is going nowhere. I still believe in this team and these players, this is just what a rebuild looks like. It looks a whole hell of a lot better than 17-65 with no hope and no plan and the worst coach in NBA history.

Just be patient and have faith. Let's be fans, not hate on these young guys who are growing up and getting better....including walton.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:58 pm    Post subject:

hell for markelle

fall for ball

lol, jk......

but
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:59 pm    Post subject:

Ingram is gonna take a few years to develop, he's extremely weak physically. Give it time.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject:

aachan wrote:
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Randle is 17/10/4 with 1 TO vs Porzingis tonight on 7/12 shooting


I guess defense doesn't matter to you, considering Porzingis altered nearly every shot in the paint every minute he was in. Also Porzingis full statline, not just his shooting line is 26/12/2/7 with 1 TO.

Not trying to pick on Randle, but the comparison is horrible.


He wasn't comparing. He's saying Randle did all that while also guarding Porgingod.


My apologies then, hard to read the context off a one liner.


It's all good I just wanted to share a statline that surprised me given that I didn't think Randle played that well because he was blocked a couple times
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:01 pm    Post subject:

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Porky is better than all of our young players put together.

The Knicks need more fans, man.


but is he wrong?


Yes. Our big 3 youngsters can create for themselves and others, if Porky doesn't have some one to create for him he is SOL.
He score 20ppg on higher TS% than any of our young players, and he is a far better defender than Randle/Russell/Clarkson combined. I'll leave Ingram out for now since his body aint ready.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:01 pm    Post subject:

When Deng playing well, Mozgov playing like sh*t. I don't get it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Porky is better than all of our young players put together.

The Knicks need more fans, man.


but is he wrong?


Yes. Our big 3 youngsters can create for themselves and others, if Porky doesn't have some one to create for him he is SOL.


Kristaps tonight: 26/12/7/2
Our "Big 3" tonights: 23/12/0/11

I left out the shooting percentages (*hint* Kristaps wins on that count, too).

He was literally better than all of our young players put together tonight
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject:

Also JC looked a ton better tonight when he didn't ha e the pressure of being the guy tonight, and when the opponents defense had more than two total scorers to focus on. I really want to see that 3 start to drop
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject:

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2 games in a row with Ingram regressing from the momentum he'd built 2 games ago.

Hope Luke stays in his ear between now and Sacramento. Gonna need a better effort.


I dont think its a question of effort, he is totally overmatched in the NBA. He should have stayed in college. I mean, I get that you need to be patient with young players, but we may have struck out on this one..


No, he made the exact right decision coming out because he was never going to get picked any higher than 2.

But, one of the issues with Ingram is he was never the alpha player even at Duke. And there's always questions taking a guy that high in the draft, when he wasn't the go to guy on his college team.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:02 pm    Post subject:

As usual the 1 thing that haunts this game is the lack of defense, if we miss the playoffs I hope we bring in some real defensive people teachers.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:03 pm    Post subject:

yea Porzingis beasted...i wouldn't be mad if he was in a Lakers uni
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:03 pm    Post subject:

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When Deng playing well, Mozgov playing like sh*t. I don't get it.


Is there a correlation between Mozgov playing well when Russel is playing well? Not sure if that is true, but it seems that way to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:03 pm    Post subject:

dao wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Ujah's Goat wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dao wrote:
Porky is better than all of our young players put together.

The Knicks need more fans, man.


but is he wrong?


Yes. Our big 3 youngsters can create for themselves and others, if Porky doesn't have some one to create for him he is SOL.
He score 20ppg on higher TS% than any of our young players, and he is a far better defender than Randle/Russell/Clarkson combined. I'll leave Ingram out for now since his body aint ready.

He will never be a Laker. Ever. Who cares?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:04 pm    Post subject:

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As usual the 1 thing that haunts this game is the lack of defense, if we miss the playoffs I hope we bring in some real defensive people teachers.


Let's not wait. Let's get someone in there yesterday...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:04 pm    Post subject:

What's funny is that even with all this chaos in the thread and game, the Knicks basically came out ahead because of a short late stretch run by... Brandon Jennings, doing Brandon Jennings thing but actually having it work!



Let that settle in folks.

Good effort from the guys tonight. Re-group, get it tomorrow! Glad we're getting bodies back.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:05 pm    Post subject:

Ujah's Goat wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Ujah's Goat wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dao wrote:
Porky is better than all of our young players put together.

The Knicks need more fans, man.


but is he wrong?


Yes. Our big 3 youngsters can create for themselves and others, if Porky doesn't have some one to create for him he is SOL.


Kristaps tonight: 26/12/7/2
Our "Big 3" tonights: 23/12/0/11

I left out the shooting percentages (*hint* Kristaps wins on that count, too).

He was literally better than all of our young players put together tonight


KP outplayed all the Lakers' young talent tonight and is so far, ahead of all of them as a player.

What's the point you're trying to make? That the Lakers haven't drafted well or what?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:05 pm    Post subject:

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I'm very optimistic when it comes to our young fellas, especially high on Russell. But I just had a pessimistic moment. What happens if both our #2s don't pan out? How many years would that set us back? The horror! Please be for reals guys. The chicken little is creeping in me .


I've already seen enough of Porzingis to know that we really missed out on a superstar. Russell and Ingram could be good players in a few years but Porzingis is a rare talent. I've never seen a big with so much versatility before. Porzingis will be a top 5 player in a year or two. Phil deserves a lot of credit.
phil just got lucky, he wanted Russell. Phil has good luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:05 pm    Post subject:

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lmao this is what happens when we don't have a 7 footer on the floor to close out games. Rose should NOT have had such an easy glance at the basket, especially when the game was still winnable. Randle simply not locked in on defense other than a few flashes on a couple possessions per game.


growing pains fam. randle will be fine.


sure hope so bro, it worries me because a lot of players remain defensive liabilities throughout their careers. Luke needs to flex and bench players who don't give continued effort on that side of the ball.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:06 pm    Post subject:

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yea Porzingis beasted...i wouldn't be mad if he was in a Lakers uni


he is skilled, but I cant get past how goofy he looks on the court...reminds me of a better shooting Shawn Bradley out there.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:06 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dao wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Ujah's Goat wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dao wrote:
Porky is better than all of our young players put together.

The Knicks need more fans, man.


but is he wrong?


Yes. Our big 3 youngsters can create for themselves and others, if Porky doesn't have some one to create for him he is SOL.
He score 20ppg on higher TS% than any of our young players, and he is a far better defender than Randle/Russell/Clarkson combined. I'll leave Ingram out for now since his body aint ready.

He will never be a Laker. Ever. Who cares?


Yeah really not sure what the point of these post.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:07 pm    Post subject:

Game started out well. Both teams had a great flow. Didn't like how we were giving Rose anything at will near the elbows and in. I think it has a lot to do with Porzingis. Seems teams have now began to scout and respect him as a scorer after setting a screen and they don't send their bigs back to anchor or protect the basket. That's why Jennings and Rose made a living. I would have liked to have seen a change or shift in defensive strategy on the Knicks point guards. We didn't do well there.

D'LO I completely forgive for this one. I blame Lakers staff for putting him out there when he's far from 100%. You have to give him starter minutes and let him have his legs back. He's a starting point guard and this wasn't a weak team we were facing tonight.

Our weaknesses continue to be the same IMO. We're not skilled or good enough at the big man spots (5/4). Whereas Randle can score and board, he can not defend or protect the basket area. Mosgov is too slow IMO. Nance isn't really a rim protector either. We need a real Center even Noah seemed to look way better at the basket than any of our bigs. Defensively it will always be a challenge for us until we improve our defensive skill at the 5/4. On offense we need more of a scoring threat after setting those picks as well.

Good progress though in getting Nick back. I expect a L tomorrow against Sacto on a B2B on the road, but after that I think we will start to get back to playing close to .500 ball again. Need D'LO to get healthy fully.

Trades wise I'd love for Mitch to be shopping for more skill defensively at the 5/4
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:07 pm    Post subject:

justsomelakerfan wrote:
Ujah's Goat wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Ujah's Goat wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
dao wrote:
Porky is better than all of our young players put together.

The Knicks need more fans, man.


but is he wrong?


Yes. Our big 3 youngsters can create for themselves and others, if Porky doesn't have some one to create for him he is SOL.


Kristaps tonight: 26/12/7/2
Our "Big 3" tonights: 23/12/0/11

I left out the shooting percentages (*hint* Kristaps wins on that count, too).

He was literally better than all of our young players put together tonight


KP outplayed all the Lakers' young talent tonight and is so far, ahead of all of them as a player.

What's the point you're trying to make? That the Lakers haven't drafted well or what?


My point: dao was not wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:08 pm    Post subject:

dao wrote:
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I'm very optimistic when it comes to our young fellas, especially high on Russell. But I just had a pessimistic moment. What happens if both our #2s don't pan out? How many years would that set us back? The horror! Please be for reals guys. The chicken little is creeping in me .


I've already seen enough of Porzingis to know that we really missed out on a superstar. Russell and Ingram could be good players in a few years but Porzingis is a rare talent. I've never seen a big with so much versatility before. Porzingis will be a top 5 player in a year or two. Phil deserves a lot of credit.
phil just got lucky, he wanted Russell. Phil has good luck.


Oh come on, give Phil credit for the one of maybe two good decisions he's made as a FO exec
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dao wrote:
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Runway8 wrote:
I'm very optimistic when it comes to our young fellas, especially high on Russell. But I just had a pessimistic moment. What happens if both our #2s don't pan out? How many years would that set us back? The horror! Please be for reals guys. The chicken little is creeping in me .


I've already seen enough of Porzingis to know that we really missed out on a superstar. Russell and Ingram could be good players in a few years but Porzingis is a rare talent. I've never seen a big with so much versatility before. Porzingis will be a top 5 player in a year or two. Phil deserves a lot of credit.
phil just got lucky, he wanted Russell. Phil has good luck.


Phil plays mind games. The guy has coached all time greats. He probably wanted Porzingis from the start and used Russell as a distraction.
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