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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:49 pm    Post subject:

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Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


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Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:57 pm    Post subject:

We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:13 am    Post subject:

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We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:22 am    Post subject:

Yong wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future


We already have dlo on the roster.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:25 am    Post subject:

27 wins and keeping our pick..
that'd be amazing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:25 am    Post subject:

Yong wrote:
augus7 wrote:
Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


Zu
Randle
Ingram
Clarkson
Fultz

Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player


@ Russell not being there.

We do have lots of players who are very young (19, 20 yr olds playing heavy minutes).
More prospects mean more chance of getting/developing a great player.

Tbh, I don't really care who will become the best player of our team, I just want him to be franchise player material.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:26 am    Post subject:

Thugnomoe wrote:
27 wins and keeping our pick..
that'd be amazing.


Yup, and then select josh Jackson.


Tell me this doesn't scream jimmy butler. Highlights, but still. Kid has everything but a consistent jumper at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:41 am    Post subject:

Yong wrote:
augus7 wrote:
Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


Zu
Randle
Ingram
DLO
Fultz

Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player


Perfect.

Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Heat, Suns and 76ers projected to win 28. Could go either way. Hope we don't give a Top 5 pick to 76ers.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:46 am    Post subject:

saetarubia wrote:
Yong wrote:
augus7 wrote:
Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


Zu
Randle
Ingram
DLO
Fultz

Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player


Perfect.

Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Heat, Suns and 76ers projected to win 28. Could go either way. Hope we don't give a Top 5 pick to 76ers.


A difference of 1 win could move us from 2nd to 5th place. I think we'd better start tanking like crazy now and not let it get too close. Gotta have that second worst record so we'd be at about 50% to land top 3 pick again.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:20 am    Post subject:

Yong wrote:
augus7 wrote:
Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


Zu
Randle
Ingram
Clarkson
Fultz

Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player


Clarkson will never be a starter on this team or anywhere he's 6th man material. Also you're forgetting Russell can play SG too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:22 am    Post subject:

fontana3d wrote:
Yong wrote:
augus7 wrote:
Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


Zu
Randle
Ingram
Clarkson
Fultz

Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player


Clarkson will never be a starter on this team or anywhere he's 6th man material. Also you're forgetting Russell can play SG too.


A quick summary:

2014: [insert player] will be our franchise player.
2015: [insert player] will be our franchise player.
2016: [insert player] will be our franchise player.
2017: [insert player] will be our franchise player.

Did I get this right? We should have 3 franchise players already and we're just adding a 4th one now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
fontana3d wrote:
Yong wrote:
augus7 wrote:
Wow, can't believe this is another top 5 tank season.
With a high probability that all this (bleep) goes to the Sixers who already have their franchise player.


Zu
Randle
Ingram
Clarkson
Fultz

Will be just as good. Fultz will be out franchise player


Clarkson will never be a starter on this team or anywhere he's 6th man material. Also you're forgetting Russell can play SG too.


A quick summary:

2014: [insert player] will be our franchise player.
2015: [insert player] will be our franchise player.
2016: [insert player] will be our franchise player.
2017: [insert player] will be our franchise player.

Did I get this right? We should have 3 franchise players already and we're just adding a 4th one now.


Not to mention Fultz might end up in Celtic green thanks to the stupid Nets and that stupid trade. Actually we're creating a core the last few years.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:54 am    Post subject:

Make no mistake, I would of course happily take a top 3 pick. But as been the case with our lottery selections, there is no guarantee of a "superstar" or "franchise player," and even if they are one, they may take some time to get there.

I do think presently we have 3 very interesting foundational pieces in DLO/Ingram/Jules that need more development time. Adding another piece would obviously be nice, but is not a panacea.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:10 am    Post subject:

As an aside, really like how the 76ers, even though they could absolutely use another top 3 pick, are competing and actually fighting to win every game.

A bunch of my friends who are 76ers fans are all in on going this route, even if that means losing a top 3 pick. Of course, Embiid, health permitting, is a star in the making, but getting a top 3 pick would solidify a good movement. The swagger is back, the players are competing, and the fanbase, for once, could care less about a top 3 pick anymore.

They are, just like we were a few months ago, dreaming about the playoffs this year.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:11 am    Post subject:

DangeRuss wrote:
Yong wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future


We already have dlo on the roster.


Im over this whole Dlo PG experiment, Fultz is our future PG.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:14 am    Post subject:

al242 wrote:
DangeRuss wrote:
Yong wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future


We already have dlo on the roster.


Im over this whole Dlo PG experiment, Fultz is our future PG.


LOL, a few obstacles.

1. DLO currently IS our PG.

2. We don't have a top 3 pick, let alone a #1 pick.

So why don't we wait on that proclamation a tad bit more?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
DangeRuss wrote:
Yong wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future


We already have dlo on the roster.


Im over this whole Dlo PG experiment, Fultz is our future PG.


LOL, a few obstacles.

1. DLO currently IS our PG.

2. We don't have a top 3 pick, let alone a #1 pick.

So why don't we wait on that proclamation a tad bit more?


I would personally move DLo to SG if we were to land Fultz, I am sick of tired of Dlo's bad decision making, lack of energy and piss poor defense. Fultz is a two way player and brings energy and commands respect whenever he is on the floor. If DLo is shifted to SG, he will be our Klay Thompson.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject:

al242 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
DangeRuss wrote:
Yong wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future


We already have dlo on the roster.


Im over this whole Dlo PG experiment, Fultz is our future PG.


LOL, a few obstacles.

1. DLO currently IS our PG.

2. We don't have a top 3 pick, let alone a #1 pick.

So why don't we wait on that proclamation a tad bit more?


I would personally move DLo to SG if we were to land Fultz, I am sick of tired of Dlo's bad decision making, lack of energy and piss poor defense. Fultz is a two way player and brings energy and commands respect whenever he is on the floor. If DLo is shifted to SG, he will be our Klay Thompson.


I know it's fun to romanticize and glamorize an NCAA player (and I think Fultz will be good), but there's no guarantee that Fultz is a surefire thing in the NBA either.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:23 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
al242 wrote:
DangeRuss wrote:
Yong wrote:
Dave20 wrote:
We're now projected to finish 2nd and win 27 games.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2017-nba-predictions/


Its all worth it to get the PG of our future


We already have dlo on the roster.


Im over this whole Dlo PG experiment, Fultz is our future PG.


LOL, a few obstacles.

1. DLO currently IS our PG.

2. We don't have a top 3 pick, let alone a #1 pick.

So why don't we wait on that proclamation a tad bit more?


I would personally move DLo to SG if we were to land Fultz, I am sick of tired of Dlo's bad decision making, lack of energy and piss poor defense. Fultz is a two way player and brings energy and commands respect whenever he is on the floor. If DLo is shifted to SG, he will be our Klay Thompson.


I know it's fun to romanticize and glamorize an NCAA player (and I think Fultz will be good), but there's no guarantee that Fultz is a surefire thing in the NBA either.


This is true, however I really don't think DLo is our future PG. One of the things you cannot teach is effort in the NBA, usually young player show more effort than veteran players, I highly doubt DLo will suddenly become a high motor player in the coming years.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject:

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This is true, however I really don't think DLo is our future PG. One of the things you cannot teach is effort in the NBA, usually young player show more effort than veteran players, I highly doubt DLo will suddenly become a high motor player in the coming years.


For me, the TALENT/SKILL in DLO's game is unquestionable. The biggest impediment is his effort.

It's like having a million dollars, but it's encased in 5 inches of solid ice. You have to literally chip away with it with an ice pick. Do you want it that badly? That's DLO right now. He's not showing the effort to chip away and unlock his talent.

Further, plenty of examples of NBA players who were thought to be lazy, lack of effort, who ended up being great NBA players. His problem is consistency and bringing it every night.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject:

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The bolded in the OP is ridiculous.

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Still worked for them. And a discussion can be had that Okafor, their worst young asset, will be a better player than D'Lo, arguably our best player. Plus they are in better position than us to acquire even more young talent and better free agents in the coming years. I'll take their FO's apparent stumble over our FO's annual train wreck off-season moves any day of the week.

The only thing worth discussing there is, who is the better rebounder on a given night?

The Sixers may be better than us for the rest of the decade, but the draft lottery will determine who is in better position to add talent in the coming years. Would you rather have a top 3 pick this year, or a top 5-7 pick this year and the next? Philly will have to get to .500 before they add talent via free agency, as does anyone.


Unless I can see your crystal ball that definitively proves D'Lo will have a better career than Okafor, claiming he will be a better player is just that - a claim.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:33 am    Post subject:

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Still worked for them. And a discussion can be had that Okafor, their worst young asset, will be a better player than D'Lo, arguably our best player. Plus they are in better position than us to acquire even more young talent and better free agents in the coming years. I'll take their FO's apparent stumble over our FO's annual train wreck off-season moves any day of the week.

The only thing worth discussing there is, who is the better rebounder on a given night?

The Sixers may be better than us for the rest of the decade, but the draft lottery will determine who is in better position to add talent in the coming years. Would you rather have a top 3 pick this year, or a top 5-7 pick this year and the next? Philly will have to get to .500 before they add talent via free agency, as does anyone.


So I take it the Lakers will be tanking free agency for the next 2 offseasons?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:57 am    Post subject:

I haven't followed college basketball at all this year, but interesting article.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/granted-anonymity-heres-what-nba-scouts-said-about-cbbs-loaded-pg-class/

Seems Fultz is seen as the best bet while the other 3 PGs have some question marks.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:11 am    Post subject:

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Like the majority of fans, it sounds like you misunderstand Hinkie's goal. "The Process" which is what Hinkie's methods have been dubbed by others was not about grabbing a bunch of draft picks and building a great young team. The draft picks that didn't work out are irrelevant to the primary goal. This is why Philly drafted 3 Centers in 3 straight drafts. Hinkie wanted to obtain as many top draft picks over a relative short period in search of a true superstar. Its the theory of "as many bites at the apple" as possible. Per his perspective, to truly contend for championships in this league, you need one or two superstars....not a bunch of good players. Over history, we have seen "a bunch of good players" find success in Detroit, but he recognized how unstable that method is, and how short lived the winning is.....but teams that had the 4 or 5 true superstars in the league for the most part remained competitive even during the short periods they were not in contention. He got them one sure fire future superstar in Embid, and most still believe Simmons will have that level of potential. Thats all that mattered....trade the rest if they do not fit, and FA's will consider Philly once Embid and Simmons solidify their talent. If we are being honest, the non-Laker perspective is that Philly is leaps and bounds ahead of the Lakers rebuild because the Lakers do not have a player projected to be a SuperStar. It was always a tradeoff....3-5 years of losing for 15 years of contending for a ring. It is starting to take shape just as he predicted.


The only problem with this explanation is, if Embiid was their man, then why draft Okafor? Both the Knicks and Lakers FO had that right, at least.

IMO, had Embiid gotten back in time his rookie/soph year to help the Sixers win a few games, he probably gets shipped out for another draft pick. The Okafor pick suggests they stumbled ass backwards onto the Embiid train.


Still worked for them. And a discussion can be had that Okafor, their worst young asset, will be a better player than D'Lo, arguably our best player. Plus they are in better position than us to acquire even more young talent and better free agents in the coming years. I'll take their FO's apparent stumble over our FO's annual train wreck off-season moves any day of the week.

Not a very well-informed, non-trolling discussion, no.

Philly was in a completely different place than the Lakers with different commitments, assets, and trajectories. And Hinkie's bad moves are all rendered meaningless as long as he hit on a star once.


I think that's an unfair summation of the moves Hinkie made.

Notable moves:

Drafted
Noel (potential DPOY)
Embiid (potential DPOY/MVP, definite future All-Star)
Saric (solid up-and-comer, jury still out on how good he can be)
Okafor (good offense, serviceable backup, trade bait)

Undrafted free agent signings
TJ McConnell (serviceable backup PG)
Robert Covington (serviceable backup SF)

Trades for future assets
MCW for our Lakers 1st rounder (this year or next)
Arturas Gudaitis/Luka Mitrovic (who?) for Stauskus (serviceable backup), future 1st rounder, pick swap rights with Kings in '16/'17, Jason Thompson/Carl Landry (expiring contracts)

Hinkie hired Brett Brown, who's been nothing if not extremely patient throughout "the process" and looks to be turning the corner. They will have nearly ~30 million in cap space next summer, since they ate money short-term with expiring contracts to free up money in the long-term. Not to mention he put them in the position to draft Ben Simmons, who he would have drafted given the chance.

The future is very bright in Philadelphia, and Hinkie took a lot of heat to make that happen.

Where did I intimate that he didn't guide the Sixers through an impressive tear-down and asset build up? I'm aware of all of the above, and I would add in his shrewdest move, which was trading Elfrid Payton for Dario Saric (selected two picks later) for their 2017 pick back from Orlando (moved in the Bynum deal). But thank you for the substantive, civil response unlike some other folks 'round here.

I'm saying that his Okafor gaffe or moving KJ McDaniels for Canaan or two second round picks for Ish Smith were low stakes misses because he had a mandate to be bad until he landed a star. No Lakers front office would have ever received the same mandate from the Buss family, though I imagine they finally wised up a bit after last season and could embrace the tank again this year. Regardless, I can easily acknowledge Hinkie's impressive work while acknowledging the totally different circumstances Kupchak faced after Howard walked and Kobe's achilles tendon exploded.


No on imitated that the situation in Philly is identical to what's going on here. I don't think one needs to point out that both teams being discussed, and others, are rebuilding, and it's only natural to compare what different FO's have done/are doing to field competitive teams. Philly, as Hinkie constructed, has plenty of roster flexibility and young assets to approach their rebuild as they see fit. They can either continue rebuilding through the draft & lotto picks or engage in trades, while having enough cap room to sign free agents.

Meanwhile, Lakers may luck out at this year's draft and keep their pick (even if they "embrace the tank" there is no guarantee of this) or trade for a star (which didn't quite work out last time) or try their hand in free agency (also hasn't worked out). Totally different situation directly because of our FO's moves. I do not agree with posters saying that Philly "got lucky" and such in order to prop up the Lakers' FO's blemishes, which is why I made my post. It's embarrassing tbh.

You imitated that all Hinkie was good for was tanking until he hit a star once because he had a "mandate to be bad" etc etc. That's not the case. He got fired, after all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject:

I still can't believe people are hoping that the Lakers will loose enough to keep our pick. This is getting embarrassing.

We will reel off some wins when Nance gets back. Our schedule is favorable from here out with lots of days off to practice defense. The tank is dead. Long die the tank.
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