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Vesper Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Interesting pickup by the Pelicans. Low risk for now. |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:58 am Post subject: |
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That's a bummer. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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His back is apparently completely shot. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | His back is apparently completely shot. |
That's a bummer for him, and good evaluation by the front office if it's still the case. The report ESPN released earlier stated that the team was more concerned with how his minutes conflicted with Randle and Black in the rotation, and that he had a good workout.
We might see him play with the Pels, so we'll find out how healthy he is. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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pio2u wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | justsomelakerfan wrote: | Yeah per shams likely signing with the Pels
Not that big of a deal but could have been an interesting fit. Let's hear what the details of the deal are |
They do have the MLE to offer him. |
Stein tweeted that he signed for the vet min. |
Quote: | Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
The Pelicans are in the process of finalizing a one-year deal with Donatas Motiejunas at the veteran minimum, according to league sources. |
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Not pleased if he can actually play. Not pleased at all, Mitch. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | His back is apparently completely shot. |
Yup. Will be interesting to see what he does for the Pelicans. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
True...if he can play. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
True...if he can play. |
He can play. He just won't sustain it. Lakers aren't looking for a short term rental _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'm fine as long as D-Mo doesn't play well. If he does... _________________ Austin Reaves
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Mini Mamba Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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Since we didn't get DMo I wonder if Mitch will try to trade for a big that can stretch the floor? |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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oldschool32 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
I thought Brookly couldn't sign him for a year after Houston initially matched his offer sheet, does them tearing up his deal give Brooklyn the right to sign him again? _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest |
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GasolBynumKobe Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
How are you a moderator and you don't even know the simple facts? Brooklyn didn't walk away. They offered him a contract, Houston matched, Houston rescinded their offer and Brooklyn had to wait a year to offer him another contract per the CBA. _________________ Go LA! |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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GasolBynumKobe wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
How are you a moderator and you don't even know the simple facts? Brooklyn didn't walk away. They offered him a contract, Houston matched, Houston rescinded their offer and Brooklyn had to wait a year to offer him another contract per the CBA. |
I'll look into that, but what does being a moderator have to do with being infallible? I get stuff wrong on a fairly regular basis. Of course, knowing that is half the battle. Try it sometime. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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justsomelakerfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
This is true, the org thought he might have had an ACL tear. This kind of context would have been really nice to learn in that ESPN report if that's the case, that they just were looking for a year-long stop gap because of an ACL concern. The report came out after we learned he only had a bone bruise. I guess it makes sense.
I just hope he doesn't show out, all the same. Good for him, of course! That would make it a missed opportunity for us, though. I'm not real bothered until we see him play some NBA games.
It's really not the biggest deal on the planet. He's not a world beater. But getting any helpful talent at this point in the Lakers' rebuild is important. _________________ Austin Reaves
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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FWIW, the cba does not allow the matching team to trade a restricted free agent to the team whose offer they matched. If they cut him, he's unrestricted. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | FWIW, the cba does not allow the matching team to trade a restricted free agent to the team whose offer they matched. If they cut him, he's unrestricted. |
Although there may be another clause I'm missing. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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I really wanted Montiejunas, I won't lie but now that we know Nance's injury isn't serious that to me makes me more happier. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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I stand corrected on the Brooklyn part. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
Brooklyn couldn't have re-signed him. Once you sign a player to an offer sheet you can't sign them again for a year. Even if Nance's injury was better than expected, you still have a chance sign a productive player to a 1 year deal at a steep discount. It's a cant-lose situation. In the worst of scenarios you've lost Metta and DMo can't play because of his back. So what? I respect that the Lakers didn't want to sign a guy they didn't think they'd play much, but we aren't exactly overflowing with talent. Cheap and potentially valuable assets should be gathered as often as possible. Just feel like we passed on a no brainer flyer here. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
Brooklyn couldn't have re-signed him. Once you sign a player to an offer sheet you can't sign them again for a year. Even if Nance's injury was better than expected, you still have a chance sign a productive player to a 1 year deal at a steep discount. It's a cant-lose situation. In the worst of scenarios you've lost Metta and DMo can't play because of his back. So what? I respect that the Lakers didn't want to sign a guy they didn't think they'd play much, but we aren't exactly overflowing with talent. Cheap and potentially valuable assets should be gathered as often as possible. Just feel like we passed on a no brainer flyer here. |
Yeah, got you on the Brooklyn part. My bad. The back stuff is real according to sources though. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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BTW, playing time is important to DMo, so Nance may have ended the deal right there. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | ocho wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Come on guys. You think Brooklyn and Houston walked away because he had a cold or something. His back is a time bomb, more when than if. |
Neither Brooklyn or Houston walked away. Brooklyn signed him to a multi year deal and Houston matched. Houston eventually walked away because of issues unrelated to his back. It doesn't appear that the Laker medical staff even performed a physical on him. He just worked out. And since he could have been had on a 1 year deal this was a missed opportunity with zero risk. |
That's not true, because when they walked away (and yes, it was the back), Brooklyn had free rights to him, and they also passed. FWIW, Lakers worked him out because they thought Nance's injury might be worse than it turned out... |
Brooklyn couldn't have re-signed him. Once you sign a player to an offer sheet you can't sign them again for a year. Even if Nance's injury was better than expected, you still have a chance sign a productive player to a 1 year deal at a steep discount. It's a cant-lose situation. In the worst of scenarios you've lost Metta and DMo can't play because of his back. So what? I respect that the Lakers didn't want to sign a guy they didn't think they'd play much, but we aren't exactly overflowing with talent. Cheap and potentially valuable assets should be gathered as often as possible. Just feel like we passed on a no brainer flyer here. |
Yeah, got you on the Brooklyn part. My bad. The back stuff is real according to sources though. |
I wonder why New Orleans didn't ask for a physical considering that his back might eventually lead him to retire? If its a 1 year deal then I can see Ocho's point about it being a low risk move. |
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